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Post by aldershotstoke on Aug 14, 2013 21:05:16 GMT
Southgate confirms that Jagielka and Cahill were beasted by Miller all night...at least ITV mentioned it! Won't change Hodgsons mind though.
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Post by westpoint on Aug 14, 2013 21:06:58 GMT
If Cahill played at the heart of our defence, we would most likely be relegated, just like his Bolton side were, with him at the heart of their defence. Cahill is a poor centre half and if he ever plays against us, I know we have a chance. I even remember Mama destroying him when we won 3-0 at Sheffield United during our promotion season. Cahill is crap but he can hide at Chelsea because he rarely has to defend properly or frequently. So because Bolton got relegated he must be shit? It was all his fault was it? I don't buy the Cahill can hide at Chelsea line either. He is playing against some of the best players in the world regularly in the champions league and as good a side as Chelsea are they still have to do plenty of defending. Absolutely. Also are we all struggling to sleep at night due to the football club receiving offers from CLeague clubs for Shawcross.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 14, 2013 21:07:22 GMT
I didn't say that did I ballbag and you are entitled to your opinion.
Mine is that Cahill is crap. I've seen Mama destroy him, Kitson destroy him, Beattie destroy him, Walters destroy and watched him spend an entire game trying to avoid Kenwyne Jones whilst his team, of which he was captain, was getting absolutely thrashed in an FA Cup Semi-Final.
Cahill isn't first choice at Chelsea and had Terry not been injured, probably wouldn't have played in the games you mentioned. The only decent game I can recall him having for Chelsea was the semi-final win away in Barcelona where he was a mixture of good and bad.
Outside of that, he is a shocking defender and proves it time and time again. The bloke is an absolute liability.
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Post by madasasnake on Aug 14, 2013 21:13:14 GMT
I'm afraid that I agree with Davejohnno Sid.
I do think that Cahill is a very poor central defender and I also think that the media do sway most people's view of individual players, other than the views of people that watch them week in week out.
Thanks to Arsene Wenger's outrageous comments about Shawcross, he will be forever remembered for the Ramsey incident.
How could you possibly justify picking Cahill just after he had signed for Chelsea when he hadn't been in the frame when at Bolton; Zaha, just after he had been signed or returned to United, when he had never been picked at Palace and Jones, when nobody had heard of him until United paid £18 million for him??
You are looking at an England manager, who when he was struggling to find fit defenders in his first games in charge, picked Kelly from Liverpool ahead of Shawcross at centre-half. He couldn't even get in the Liverpool side as a full-back!
Do you really think he watches the players? When do you think he last came to Stoke?
If United had bought Shawcross back two seasons ago as was suggested they might; he would now have about 20 England Caps.
I admire your view of a perfect meritocracy, but that isn't the England set up and it hasn't been for decades.
If we'd sold Whitehead to United; he'd be in with a shout of a call-up!
And Lambert could have scored a hat-trick, but he won't make the squad when the favourites are fit!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 14, 2013 21:21:03 GMT
I don't care who Cahill plays for, he's a wank defender and a total back turning shit house.
All flash and fuck all substance.
Total bottle job, I literally don't see any of the hype in him.
He's a defender who isn't that good at defending.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 14, 2013 21:23:16 GMT
Sid, Cahill is a better CF than CH, he specializes in being where the ball is not.He will be destroyed in Europe and the World Cup -if we get there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 21:33:56 GMT
I'm afraid that I agree with Davejohnno Sid. I do think that Cahill is a very poor central defender and I also think that the media do sway most people's view of individual players, other than the views of people that watch them week in week out. Thanks to Arsene Wenger's outrageous comments about Shawcross, he will be forever remembered for the Ramsey incident. How could you possibly justify picking Cahill just after he had signed for Chelsea when he hadn't been in the frame when at Bolton; Zaha, just after he had been signed or returned to United, when he had never been picked at Palace and Jones, when nobody had heard of him until United paid £18 million for him?? You are looking at an England manager, who when he was struggling to find fit defenders in his first games in charge, picked Kelly from Liverpool ahead of Shawcross at centre-half. He couldn't even get in the Liverpool side as a full-back! Do you really think he watches the players? When do you think he last came to Stoke? If United had bought Shawcross back two seasons ago as was suggested they might; he would now have about 20 England Caps. I admire your view of a perfect meritocracy, but that isn't the England set up and it hasn't been for decades. If we'd sold Whitehead to United; he'd be in with a shout of a call-up! And Lambert could have scored a hat-trick, but he won't make the squad when the favourites are fit! I get where you're coming from to a certain extent but surely if a player is getting good press,then that is due to him playing well over a period of time? I've already stated earlier that I don't particularly think Cahill is some world beating centre half,just that he isn't anywhere near as bad as some folk are making out on here. Cahill was signed by Chelsea because he was playing well for Bolton,that's the long and short of it,and on the back of that form got picked for the England squad. I don't buy into this theory that the England manager is against all things Stoke,I agree that it helps if you are playing for one of the top four or five sides in the premier league,but in my opinion that's obvious because most of the better players play for those sides. Ryan Shawcross is and has been immense for Stoke and it wouldn't surprise me if under the new regime he gets called up again this season,as long as he carries on improving. Ryan deserved his call up,had an absolute mare of a debut(not helped by coming on when he did)but since then hasn't really shown the form for another call up in my opinion,also again not helped by the style of play we employed under our previous manager. As much as we rate Ryan and a lot of Stoke fans show obvious bias,there is a reason why he hasn't yet signed for a top four club,and I don't buy into managers not signing him because of the Ramsay incident either.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Aug 14, 2013 21:44:01 GMT
The first priority of any defender is to defend , in this respect Ryan is head and shoulders better than Cahill , there is no way that Miller would have been given the room to turn and shoot as Miller did tonight, that was schoolboy defending and nobody will convince me otherwise . This season will determine if Ryan can actually pass the ball rather than play it long as he was obviously under instruction to do in the past. I was impressed with him on Saturday , I just hope it continues in the new season.
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Post by hollybush on Aug 14, 2013 22:19:27 GMT
Unfortunately, Gary 'Oh shit he's gone past me! Oh shit, he's sold me a dummy! Oh shit he's turned me again!' Cahill is at least as bad as anyone could possibly say, and actually worse than that. He is an embarrassment as a supposed international footballer.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 15, 2013 3:43:20 GMT
a tosser?
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Post by sportsman on Aug 15, 2013 5:58:55 GMT
He's a defender that does 20 Cruyff turns at the back per game when unchallenged. That you see makes him an international defender.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 15, 2013 6:34:23 GMT
Cahill's been made fool by both miller and zlatan - plus many more. shawcross is far better. but he plays for us. Would welbeck, cleverley, cahill, zaha, milner, jagielka, jones, smalling play for england if they played for us - no chance!
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Post by Northy on Aug 15, 2013 6:37:38 GMT
It is no coincidence that the only likeable players in tonight's England team are Cahill and Jagielka, neither of whom play for the so-called "top" clubs. I though Cahill played for Chelsea, or have I missed a transfer over the summer?
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Post by RAF on Aug 15, 2013 6:40:41 GMT
It is no coincidence that the only likeable players in tonight's England team are Cahill and Jagielka, neither of whom play for the so-called "top" clubs. I though Cahill played for Chelsea, or have I missed a transfer over the summer? (question) I'm assuming Dave has had a shocker and meant Baines. H
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 15, 2013 7:26:20 GMT
It is no coincidence that the only likeable players in tonight's England team are Cahill and Jagielka, neither of whom play for the so-called "top" clubs. I though Cahill played for Chelsea, or have I missed a transfer over the summer? Sorry...I meant Baines. I had Cahill on the brain last night because he is so fucking wank.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 15, 2013 7:31:04 GMT
I though Cahill played for Chelsea, or have I missed a transfer over the summer? Sorry...I meant Baines. I had Cahill on the brain last night because he is so fucking wank. Cahill is a rich man's Danny Collins.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 15, 2013 7:32:34 GMT
Indeed he is. Something I have also said before as well.
We are definitely singing from the same song sheet on this one Jamo.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 15, 2013 7:33:37 GMT
Indeed he is. Something I have also said before as well. We are definitely singing from the same song sheet on this one Jamo. Awaits arrival of WD on the thread..
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Post by luke45 on Aug 15, 2013 8:12:58 GMT
If it wasn't for Cahill's supposed great distribution then he wouldn't be anywhere near the team because in terms of actual defending he's Championship standard most of the time.
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Post by huntlypotter on Aug 15, 2013 8:16:39 GMT
bloody good finish from king Kenny!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 15, 2013 8:24:50 GMT
I just don't think that Ryan has been given a fair chance one appearance coming on cold against one of the best strikers in the world is not exactly a chance, even Roy Keane said he was unlucky that night.
Cahill to me is one of those defenders who is good with the ball but simply is not good enough defensively , not saying Ryan should be in there, just that he deserves a fair chance, Lescott is far better defensively than Cahill as proved at Everton and Citeh before Mancini started messing him about
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 8:37:46 GMT
Just as Revie had an issue with Greenhoff and Hudson, so it appears does Woy with Shawcross and now Butland. To be honest as has already been pointed out RS and JB are better off away from this shower of shite. agree that these are the kind of "Friendlies" that are perfect to give people like Ryan a chance but...... why do people persist with this bullshit???? for the umpteenth time..... BUTLAND HIMSELF SAID HE WOULD RATHER STAY WITH THE U21s AT THIS POINT IN HIS DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!!!!!!JESUS HATES CHRIST!!!!!!
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Post by kingstokie on Aug 15, 2013 8:51:45 GMT
Rooney was a pile of toss as well last night. But will never ever ever be dropped, due to his name and the outrage it would bring. What a pathetic period in English football. Can't see it getting any better soon either. Lambert won't be seen for England again no doubt, despite accomplishing in 5 minutes what Rooney couldn't do all game. Mid sized club players with dedication and pride of wearing the shirt over overrated ego maniac cunts who couldn't give a toss about playing for England any day of the week. Shame we've got a bottlejob manager.
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 15, 2013 9:24:45 GMT
TBH I saw it as a good bit of play from Kenny Miller creating a yard.
9 times out of 10 he wouldn't have scored that and there would be no fuss.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 15, 2013 9:39:50 GMT
Cahill is a fucking dreadful player. The way Miller turned him was embarrassing.
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