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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 9, 2013 22:28:13 GMT
I'd much prefer it if we shipped Wilko out personally. Wilko is injury prone and on the decline whereas Shotton is still improving. This I agree with. The guy can also put a good cross into the box. He will only get better, with a tactically and positionally astute manager.
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Post by kitkatkev on Aug 9, 2013 22:30:12 GMT
Can I drive Shotton to male sure he arrives
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Aug 9, 2013 22:35:09 GMT
Probably for the best if he did move on,the lad is out of his depth at premier league level. He would do someone a good job at right back in the championship. Met him once up Castle and he came across as a decent youth and he would get my best wishes if he did move on. He isn't a decent youth. He bigs it up with his mates, who are all throbpieces hanging off his back SGS
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Post by pickins on Aug 9, 2013 22:41:59 GMT
Tricky one. IMHO he's not technically good enough to become a great player but on the flip side of that he seemed to be doing ok at RB and I'm not convinced we can afford/attract a great player anyway. I suppose there could be a case for Wilson at RB but I would be inclined to keep him and invest more up front.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 9, 2013 22:46:46 GMT
Best right back at the club for me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 23:10:28 GMT
I really don't know.
Some people can't wait for him to fuck up, just so they can get on his back. Last season he was MOTM for about 3 games running including City in the cup. When he was played in his position, he did very well. Wilson would be my first choice RB with Shotton more than capable imo of playing there. Then Cameron can play there although I'd like to see him play in CM. Then there is Wilko. I love the bloke and he is brilliant in the big games but I wouldn;t want him starting but I kind of don't want him to go. I'm desperate for him to score for us!
I think I would let Shotton go for the right price but I think he is always improving and learning and could also establish himself as first chouce....curly one.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 9, 2013 23:43:52 GMT
Right back is currently one of the strongest positions in our squad.
Shotton and Wilkinson to fight it out over first choice, with Wilson behind them and Cameron as very much a fourth choice fourth choice.
He's no world beater, but he's perfectly good. How much of the hate for him is based on:
a) Him not being all over people who see him in Hanley;
b) Him playing on the right wing in place of the more popular Pennant;
c) The mostly fictionalised and wildly blown out of proportion Gareth Bale comments?
Yes, there are valid concerns and he's not perfect, but there's a lot of hyperbole surrounding him.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 9, 2013 23:57:38 GMT
If we are to make any kind of progress, we need to look for better options than Shotton.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 10, 2013 0:05:59 GMT
Played at right back he's a decent player shame he was hung out to dry on the right wing by the clever capped one.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2013 0:11:57 GMT
He's okay, but we need better and if we can get some cash to use for other areas, especially as right back is reasonably well stocked, I would let him go. Wilko needs to go too, for me, and Wilson and Cameron fight it out for now, with a young, more technically skilled and composed RB targeted for the future in due course.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 10, 2013 0:35:28 GMT
Just one of the squad dilemmas, the resolution of which is what MLH &Co. are being paid to sort out. Right Back? Strong contenders. Wilson, Cameron, Wilko, Shotton, Huth? I can think of better positions for the other four, but right back is best for Ryan Shotton.
I have no idea about the status of Ryan's contract. But for me seeing the local lad's development over the last couple of seasons has been nourishing. As a right back {able to cover at left back, and even centre back if needs be}, I rate him. He seems to have stopped his lapses of concentration, and given that he has faced the Prem's finest I don't think he has ever been found wanting, his past 'switch-offs' havn't been too costly. Whilst proved not to be tricky enough on the right wing as part of a static team, I still reckon the experience in attack will reap rewards when he plays defensively but has an occasional attacking/overlapping foray. He's got a fantastic engine and great temperament, even the odd wry smile at himself when he ballooned a cross, or tripped over his own feet. It may be unfounded optimism on my part but I think he could develop an excellent working relationship with Pennant, which would give us an immense right hand side. Ifs, buts and maybes, but I'd love for him to be given another year with us at least, just so I can continue to watch his trajectory. I think he'll get even better. Please let's hold on to the local lad, possible future England right back? On the otherhand I can see that he could be third choice at Stoke if the other candidates can't make the squad in their more 'natural' roles! Difficult.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 10, 2013 0:42:33 GMT
Shotton is amongst a host of players who are not quite up to the level we require, the difference between him and the others is he is young enough to develop into a prem standard player the others are older and have passed their peak.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 10, 2013 0:46:38 GMT
"A spokesman for his agents, Beswicks Sports, confirmed to Sky Sports: "Ryan is a player in demand and we had been contacted by a host of club checking on his availability"
'Kerching Mr Mellor'
'No problem, Mr. Cartwright'
'Lovely'........................all
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 10, 2013 1:04:11 GMT
And I reckon his Circus Cannon throw-in is improving too.
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Post by Jimm on Aug 10, 2013 2:01:02 GMT
Fuck him off
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 3:11:39 GMT
Stays for me.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 10, 2013 5:25:24 GMT
To fucking insult a local lad who's played for the club he supports is nothing short of disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 7:38:37 GMT
Probably for the best if he did move on,the lad is out of his depth at premier league level. He would do someone a good job at right back in the championship. Met him once up Castle and he came across as a decent youth and he would get my best wishes if he did move on. He isn't a decent youth. He bigs it up with his mates, who are all throbpieces hanging off his back SGS Seemed orate to me,he had no problem with me and my mate talking to him and he was up for a laugh as well. Can't comment on his mates as I didn't really speak to any of them.
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Post by homer32 on Aug 10, 2013 8:35:25 GMT
SSN say "a host of premier and championship clubs" are interested in signing Shotton. I'd like to know which premiership clubs these are probably only Hull and Palace, I really can't see him making the starting eleven of any other prem team. I would like to keep him as I think he will improve under MH and he is a good squad player to fill in when injuries occur.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 10, 2013 9:05:25 GMT
Some very harsh comments here.
For me he's proved himself to be a solid enough right full who has improved steadily. Maybe he, or his mates, can be a bit dickish on nights out but that puts him in the company of the majority of top level players.
Given the amount of panty wetting over recent seasons about Pulis and his reluctance to blood young players it's nowt short of laughable to be slating one of the few who has worked his way into the first team squad.
Almost as if that, now TP has gone, some need to divert their hatred at other targets. Walters, Wilko, Whelan etc etc.
This board needs some more love, man.
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Post by stokeyadam on Aug 10, 2013 9:10:55 GMT
What is it about people on this messageboard? Start a thread with a Stoke players name in the title and people can't wait to wade in with stupid insults. Are these people really Stoke fans, do they actually attend games and support the team? Does that mean that we are not allowed an opinion on how good or bad the player is?
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Post by banx10 on Aug 10, 2013 9:15:30 GMT
If you properly watch him play, he is actually fantastic. He never panicks & seems to have so much time on his hands. When he pushes forward, you always think he's going to get tackled, but he plows on & gets great cross in. I wouldn't be surprised to see arsenal putting a bid him. Is he going....you bet. Reason...English. If he was called rico shottonioni or something everyone would think he was class. Like the new USA striker we've signed, who has a shite scoring record of just 12 in 75 games. What a load of crap. BRING BACK PULIS!
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Aug 10, 2013 9:18:43 GMT
Both Wilko and Shotton are better right backs than Geoff Cameron. Wilko would be my first choice this season, as I would try to keep my back four settled. Shotton as right back cover.
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Post by slozenger on Aug 10, 2013 9:21:24 GMT
The right back position is a strange one because i can understand those who feel we're sorted there. We have Andy Wilkinson, Ryan Shotton and also Geoff Cameron and Marc Wilson would be fine playing in that role.
For me personally though, none of those names are "ideal" if you get me. Our back 5 (including goalkeeper) when written down is....
Begovic Wilkinson/Shotton/Cameron/Wilson Shawcross (c) Huth Pieters
To be 100% happy with that i'd like a new right back. Just my view on it, i don't think we will sign a new right back in all honesty and it's not a situation where i'd be fearful on a matchday with any of those current 4 options playing there. I just think ideally we can do better and make the whole backline (if we play 4 at the back) as solid as we've seen here in a long time.
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Post by banx10 on Aug 10, 2013 9:23:19 GMT
I'm agreeing with lot of last comments. Prob same plonkers who had nothing else to do but moan about pulis & now he's gone pick off every player one by one. True as well that appears so many hate stoke rather than love efforts. Some people are never satisfied. In fact love it when we're doing Shite & prob want us relegated si they can moan all day long!
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Post by redditchpotter on Aug 10, 2013 9:26:23 GMT
I'd much prefer it if we shipped Wilko out personally. Wilko is injury prone and on the decline whereas Shotton is still improving. +1
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Post by assburgers on Aug 10, 2013 12:08:10 GMT
There are some absolute knob heads on here. Wanting Shots out because he didn't perform as a RM. No clue at all. Simply put....our best RB
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Post by jarhead on Aug 10, 2013 13:36:46 GMT
Has to go totally wank and another waste of a wage.
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Post by cartman123 on Aug 10, 2013 13:48:04 GMT
"Host of premier league clubs" ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif) Someone clearly on the windup.
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Post by sjohank on Aug 10, 2013 13:50:12 GMT
Why get rid of one of our only players that is actually getting better? I agree, he's gone from dogshit to just shit. Exactly - get rid asap.
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