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Post by Timmypotter on May 27, 2020 11:37:23 GMT
You can usually edit the values it uses for those different zones. If you've used it for a race where you really went balls out then you probably got near to your max in your push to the finish line. Failing that, go and do some hill sprints until you feel sick and see what your HR is just at the point you feel the vomit exiting your stomach. Using this scientific method I estimated my max to be around 200 based on a race I did where I blacked out for a few seconds at the finish line. Based on your readings above you have your max HR set way too low. 49 minutes in the top 10% of your range is probably a near death experience. I've had a couple of those in the past! Not sure how I set the max HR - I've just put it on my wrist and off it went. It currently says 64 bpm while I'm sat at my desk. TBH it's not that reliable (it's a nuband something) the GPS is shocking too. That's unless I'm only running 7.5 km in 55 minutes - Map my run defo says it's a 10k route. It's probably just poor tech and therefore not accurate. It probably just uses the rule of thumb of 220 less your age as your max HR, which I don't think is much use to anyone as max heart rates are so variable. You'll see some fast people's races on strava and they rarely get over 150 bpm, whereas I'll often average around 175 bmp for an hour's race. A higher max HR doesn't necessarily mean fitter. Resting heart rate is where you'll see improvements over time as you get fitter.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 27, 2020 11:38:04 GMT
Lovely day for it. How did that feel? I can't wait to get out today. Felt a lot better and stronger than yesterday, which I cant figure out 🤷♂️🤷♂️ A lovely sunny day and a smile on your face can do that for you
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 11:53:35 GMT
Felt a lot better and stronger than yesterday, which I cant figure out 🤷♂️🤷♂️ A lovely sunny day and a smile on your face can do that for you More of a grimace.
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Post by Orbs on May 27, 2020 12:17:53 GMT
Lovely day for it. How did that feel? I can't wait to get out today. Felt a lot better and stronger than yesterday, which I cant figure out 🤷♂️🤷♂️ Tried the old carb loading at night? Pasta and the like might give you a boost - lucozade?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 12:44:31 GMT
Felt a lot better and stronger than yesterday, which I cant figure out 🤷♂️🤷♂️ Tried the old carb loading at night? Pasta and the like might give you a boost - lucozade? I've just been doing a bowl of porridge an hour and a half before going out. And a couple of sugary sweets in my pocket if I need a boost.
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Post by Orbs on May 27, 2020 14:22:35 GMT
Spag Bol tonight then! (Heavy on the spag)
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Post by yes on May 27, 2020 18:14:11 GMT
Beer always helps too.
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Post by felonious on May 28, 2020 8:38:53 GMT
I've had a couple of those in the past! Not sure how I set the max HR - I've just put it on my wrist and off it went. It currently says 64 bpm while I'm sat at my desk. TBH it's not that reliable (it's a nuband something) the GPS is shocking too. That's unless I'm only running 7.5 km in 55 minutes - Map my run defo says it's a 10k route. It's probably just poor tech and therefore not accurate. It probably just uses the rule of thumb of 220 less your age as your max HR, which I don't think is much use to anyone as max heart rates are so variable. You'll see some fast people's races on strava and they rarely get over 150 bpm, whereas I'll often average around 175 bmp for an hour's race. A higher max HR doesn't necessarily mean fitter. Resting heart rate is where you'll see improvements over time as you get fitter. That's interesting my maximum hear rate seems to be around 185 under maximum effort and as I've had this Garmin on my wrist continuously during the waking hours for 6 or 7 weeks now my RHR is 43. I've seen a BPM as low as 37 when I've been looking at the watch.
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Post by felonious on May 28, 2020 8:41:07 GMT
Fantastic early morning blast around Hanchurch before the dog walkers and the bikes got started this morning taking advantage of the cooler part of today
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Post by yes on May 28, 2020 8:48:30 GMT
It probably just uses the rule of thumb of 220 less your age as your max HR, which I don't think is much use to anyone as max heart rates are so variable. You'll see some fast people's races on strava and they rarely get over 150 bpm, whereas I'll often average around 175 bmp for an hour's race. A higher max HR doesn't necessarily mean fitter. Resting heart rate is where you'll see improvements over time as you get fitter. That's interesting my maximum hear rate seems to be around 185 under maximum effort and as I've had this Garmin on my wrist continuously during the waking hours for 6 or 7 weeks now my RHR is 43. I've seen a BPM as low as 37 when I've been looking at the watch. That's a HR of a man half your age 👍 Even then, you won't get many with a RHR like that.
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Post by yes on May 28, 2020 8:49:45 GMT
5 mile challenge this morning for me, coming in at 28:26, 5:41 average.
That's a minute chipped away from my Alsager time now.
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Post by Orbs on May 28, 2020 9:58:54 GMT
It probably just uses the rule of thumb of 220 less your age as your max HR, which I don't think is much use to anyone as max heart rates are so variable. You'll see some fast people's races on strava and they rarely get over 150 bpm, whereas I'll often average around 175 bmp for an hour's race. A higher max HR doesn't necessarily mean fitter. Resting heart rate is where you'll see improvements over time as you get fitter. That's interesting my maximum hear rate seems to be around 185 under maximum effort and as I've had this Garmin on my wrist continuously during the waking hours for 6 or 7 weeks now my RHR is 43. I've seen a BPM as low as 37 when I've been looking at the watch. 37? JHFC! What about when you're asleep? Looking through my data my rate drops to about 45 during the night.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 28, 2020 11:14:51 GMT
That's interesting my maximum hear rate seems to be around 185 under maximum effort and as I've had this Garmin on my wrist continuously during the waking hours for 6 or 7 weeks now my RHR is 43. I've seen a BPM as low as 37 when I've been looking at the watch. 37? JHFC! What about when you're asleep? Looking through my data my rate drops to about 45 during the night. Pah - He's got a way to go yet until he matches the likes of Miguel Indurain . Apparently he was measured at 28 bpm. At those kinds of rates it can be a problem in later life I think. Athletes heart - it can lead to an oversized and overly stiff heart. I don't think any of us on here will need to worry about that though. That said, my uncle was one of that crazy breed of 100 mpw runners from the 80s. He's now in his late 60s and has big problems with low blood pressure, is constantly passing out and has circulation issues. I'm sure it's related to his years of training much too hard. The only problem I have at the moment with low heart rate is that thing where you stand up too quickly. It happens at least once a day that I feel like I'm going to fall over as soon as I've stood up.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 28, 2020 11:18:26 GMT
5 mile challenge this morning for me, coming in at 28:26, 5:41 average. That's a minute chipped away from my Alsager time now. Crikey. That's 17:45 5k pace. Impressive stuff.
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Post by yes on May 28, 2020 13:02:17 GMT
5 mile challenge this morning for me, coming in at 28:26, 5:41 average. That's a minute chipped away from my Alsager time now. Crikey. That's 17:45 5k pace. Impressive stuff. Thanks mate. Managed a 17:32 5k a few weeks ago, going to try and get under 17 at some point this year if I can. It's just bloody painful these shorter distances, but so are half marathons and marathons. They are all painful.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 28, 2020 14:22:53 GMT
Crikey. That's 17:45 5k pace. Impressive stuff. Thanks mate. Managed a 17:32 5k a few weeks ago, going to try and get under 17 at some point this year if I can. It's just bloody painful these shorter distances, but so are half marathons and marathons. They are all painful. Yep, a few seconds becomes a massive effort at 5k or less. My PB is 17.27,and there have been a few occasions where I thought I was definitely going to beat it at a Parkrun and I've missed it by a few seconds. What I would say is that sub 17 is a world away from 17:30 but if you can run that 5 mile time then you're much closer to it than I am. Good luck.
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Post by yes on May 28, 2020 14:24:47 GMT
Thanks mate. Managed a 17:32 5k a few weeks ago, going to try and get under 17 at some point this year if I can. It's just bloody painful these shorter distances, but so are half marathons and marathons. They are all painful. Yep, a few seconds becomes a massive effort at 5k or less. My PB is 17.27,and there have been a few occasions where I thought I was definitely going to beat it at a Parkrun and I've missed it by a few seconds. What I would say is that sub 17 is a world away from 17:30 but if you can run that 5 mile time then you're much closer to it than I am. Good luck. Yeah it's going to take some work, it's around 5:30 minute miles isn't it?
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Post by Timmypotter on May 28, 2020 14:28:34 GMT
Yep, a few seconds becomes a massive effort at 5k or less. My PB is 17.27,and there have been a few occasions where I thought I was definitely going to beat it at a Parkrun and I've missed it by a few seconds. What I would say is that sub 17 is a world away from 17:30 but if you can run that 5 mile time then you're much closer to it than I am. Good luck. Yeah it's going to take some work, it's around 5:30 minute miles isn't it? Closer to 5:40,but bloody fast either way. Lots of mile repeats with decreasing rest periods are the order of the day. Need to get used to starting fast and feeling confident you can maintain the pace through the mental battle of 3rd and 4th kms.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 28, 2020 14:34:34 GMT
Yeah it's going to take some work, it's around 5:30 minute miles isn't it? Closer to 5:40,but bloody fast either way. Lots of mile repeats with decreasing rest periods are the order of the day. Need to get used to starting fast and feeling confident you can maintain the pace through the mental battle of 3rd and 4th kms. Sorry you're right. It's 5.26 miles
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Post by felonious on May 28, 2020 16:42:19 GMT
That's interesting my maximum hear rate seems to be around 185 under maximum effort and as I've had this Garmin on my wrist continuously during the waking hours for 6 or 7 weeks now my RHR is 43. I've seen a BPM as low as 37 when I've been looking at the watch. 37? JHFC! What about when you're asleep? Looking through my data my rate drops to about 45 during the night. There's no way I'm wearing this thing overnight, might try it once just to check though. In one of the running groups I meet up with there's a 75 and a 79 year old who were both exceptional runners and both have RHRs around mid to low 40s.... the older one is now back running after he had his new hip back in early February....respect
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Post by felonious on May 28, 2020 16:45:22 GMT
37? JHFC! What about when you're asleep? Looking through my data my rate drops to about 45 during the night. Pah - He's got a way to go yet until he matches the likes of Miguel Indurain . Apparently he was measured at 28 bpm. At those kinds of rates it can be a problem in later life I think. Athletes heart - it can lead to an oversized and overly stiff heart. I don't think any of us on here will need to worry about that though. That said, my uncle was one of that crazy breed of 100 mpw runners from the 80s. He's now in his late 60s and has big problems with low blood pressure, is constantly passing out and has circulation issues. I'm sure it's related to his years of training much too hard. The only problem I have at the moment with low heart rate is that thing where you stand up too quickly. It happens at least once a day that I feel like I'm going to fall over as soon as I've stood up. I've basically run between 20 and 30 miles per week over the last 10 years only increased when I've been in training for longer races so hopefully the low RHR is due to a lifetime of exercise.
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Post by salopstick on May 28, 2020 18:20:20 GMT
It probably just uses the rule of thumb of 220 less your age as your max HR, which I don't think is much use to anyone as max heart rates are so variable. You'll see some fast people's races on strava and they rarely get over 150 bpm, whereas I'll often average around 175 bmp for an hour's race. A higher max HR doesn't necessarily mean fitter. Resting heart rate is where you'll see improvements over time as you get fitter. That's interesting my maximum hear rate seems to be around 185 under maximum effort and as I've had this Garmin on my wrist continuously during the waking hours for 6 or 7 weeks now my RHR is 43. I've seen a BPM as low as 37 when I've been looking at the watch. My garmin watches generally shows lower than a garmin cycling computer with cheststrap The strap obviously measures the heart beat. The watches do it with those optical green things through the blood
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 19:31:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:21:38 GMT
5 mile challenge this morning for me, coming in at 28:26, 5:41 average. That's a minute chipped away from my Alsager time now. Christ, that's a respectable 5k time, let alone 5 miles!! That's ridiculous pace. 👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 10:31:15 GMT
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Post by yes on May 29, 2020 12:31:58 GMT
50 miles on the bike this morning.
Think I'm going to have to start posting in the other thread with the proper athletes.
Only kidding, cycling is a piece of piss. 😉
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 12:46:28 GMT
50 miles on the bike this morning. Think I'm going to have to start posting in the other thread with the proper athletes. Only kidding, cycling is a piece of piss. 😉 Doesn't count if it's a motorbike.
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Post by yes on May 29, 2020 13:10:44 GMT
50 miles on the bike this morning. Think I'm going to have to start posting in the other thread with the proper athletes. Only kidding, cycling is a piece of piss. 😉 Doesn't count if it's a motorbike. Must have gotten 50 segments.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 29, 2020 14:44:19 GMT
Doesn't count if it's a motorbike. Must have gotten 50 segments. I'm sometimes tempted these days to do all my cardio work on the bike and just do hard sessions on foot. I can do more of it and feel fresher for the harder running. Did an easy 12k at lunch today and found myself wishing I was on the bike
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Post by yes on May 29, 2020 14:57:37 GMT
Must have gotten 50 segments. I'm sometimes tempted these days to do all my cardio work on the bike and just do hard sessions on foot. I can do more of it and feel fresher for the harder running. Did an easy 12k at lunch today and found myself wishing I was on the bike It's good as a low impact alternative isn't it? I wouldn't do it so much when I'm marathon training though, got to get the legs used to the pounding. My back is in bits now though.
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