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Post by Northy on May 26, 2020 8:27:23 GMT
still plodding along rather than running :/ Still not achieved 54 minutes then Northy? Keep going mate - I'm sure you'll get there one day. Keep your chins up under 45 actually , but not since the virus. Not run since Thursday, just lethargic again, head and sinuses ache and wheezy chest again, maybe I've developed bloody hay fever after all these years
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Post by Timmypotter on May 26, 2020 8:29:34 GMT
£30 to £40 is a low budget for decent shoes (I hardly ever spend more than that but it takes patience). You're best constantly keeping your eye on sites like m and m direct, sportsshoes.com, prodirect running, start fitness, and even sports direct sometimes has good deals if you don't mind giving Mike Ashley your money. I've even bought nearly new second hand shoes from ebay on occasion. I like Adidas road shoes which run incredibly small. I'm an 11/11.5 in most brands but need a 12 in Adidas shoes. Lots of people don't know this and end up with shoes that are the wrong size that then end up on ebay. I currently have 2 pairs of seemingly unworn Adidas Boston Boosts that I paid £25 each for. If you have wonky feet (I think that's the correct technical term) then a visit to sub-4 in Cellarhead could be a good idea. I current have Nike Zoom Winflo 4. I just picked them up randomly from the Nike Outlet store at Freeport. I couldn't tell you if they were road, trail or fell. They have been amazing trainers for me though. Yep - that's a good place to go too. I've had a few bargains from there over the years, but it's very hit and miss. Sometimes they have no running shoes at all and sometimes they have nothing but running shoes.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 8:33:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 8:34:56 GMT
I current have Nike Zoom Winflo 4. I just picked them up randomly from the Nike Outlet store at Freeport. I couldn't tell you if they were road, trail or fell. They have been amazing trainers for me though. Yep - that's a good place to go too. I've had a few bargains from there over the years, but it's very hit and miss. Sometimes they have no running shoes at all and sometimes they have nothing but running shoes. Once this challenge is over I'll probably go back to running twice or three times per week. Wont be doing crazy miles. Probably circa 750 miles per year. I dont think you need mega expensive trainers for that kind of mileage. I might wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 8:40:58 GMT
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Post by Timmypotter on May 26, 2020 9:05:56 GMT
I'd generally steer clear of own brand shoes but maybe I'm just a brand snob. As for what is or isn't a good shoe you can only really know that by putting them on your feet and having a run. Once you find something that fits well and makes you want to run in them stick with them (until the stupid manufacturer changes them for no good reason).
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Post by Orbs on May 26, 2020 11:20:47 GMT
Still not achieved 54 minutes then Northy? Keep going mate - I'm sure you'll get there one day. Keep your chins up under 45 actually , but not since the virus. Not run since Thursday, just lethargic again, head and sinuses ache and wheezy chest again, maybe I've developed bloody hay fever after all these years You sound like a Forest fan always banging on about the past. It's what's happening currently that's important! It doesn't sound right though - what's the doc saying? Sounds like you should be getting yourself back there sharpish. There's no way I could get under 50 never mind 45
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Post by Orbs on May 26, 2020 11:26:43 GMT
I'd generally steer clear of own brand shoes but maybe I'm just a brand snob. As for what is or isn't a good shoe you can only really know that by putting them on your feet and having a run. Once you find something that fits well and makes you want to run in them stick with them (until the stupid manufacturer changes them for no good reason). I'd agree with all of that. It will always be tricky buying them online without the chance to try them on first. Mine are knackered and I'm desperate for a new pair but I'm to try and hang on until I can try them on. Don't be put off by the name but I've never had any problems with these: linkAnother plea to remember to get running socks too - they defo made a big difference to me when I switched to them. 55 minute 10K today - absolutely bollexed.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 26, 2020 12:02:46 GMT
I'd generally steer clear of own brand shoes but maybe I'm just a brand snob. As for what is or isn't a good shoe you can only really know that by putting them on your feet and having a run. Once you find something that fits well and makes you want to run in them stick with them (until the stupid manufacturer changes them for no good reason). I'd agree with all of that. It will always be tricky buying them online without the chance to try them on first. Mine are knackered and I'm desperate for a new pair but I'm to try and hang on until I can try them on. Don't be put off by the name but I've never had any problems with these: linkAnother plea to remember to get running socks too - they defo made a big difference to me when I switched to them. 55 minute 10K today - absolutely bollexed. Yes to the running socks. I generally buy a load of pairs from aldi whenever they have a running event. At around £4 a go they're just as good as more expensive brands like hilly that I've bought. I've had Brooks shoes before and been impressed. The only problem is the price for a tight arse like me. Similarly with other US running specific brands (HOKA, saucony etc.). They all seem to command quite a premium.
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Post by yes on May 26, 2020 12:05:18 GMT
I'd probably avoid trail shoes even if you are doing light trails. When the ground is hardish, it's good to have cushioned road shoes when you're still relatively new to running. I'll still run in road shoes most of the time. Velo Runner in Stone is still going, you can get gait analysis done there to have proper fitting shoes. They did have shoes going cheap a few weeks ago, got a pair of Mizuno for £30, comfiest shoes I've worn. Not sure if they have any left, but it's still good to get the analysis done at least once. The Brooks are comfy as someone has mentioned too.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 12:08:41 GMT
I'd probably avoid trail shoes even if you are doing light trails. When the ground is hardish, it's good to have cushioned road shoes when you're still relatively new to running. I'll still run in road shoes most of the time. Velo Runner in Stone is still going, you can get gait analysis done there to have proper fitting shoes. They did have shoes going cheap a few weeks ago, got a pair of Mizuno for £30, comfiest shoes I've worn. Not sure if they have any left, but it's still good to get the analysis done at least once. The Brooks are comfy as someone has mentioned too. I've gone for these. Half price (£50). Last pair available and they were in my size. www.prodirectrunning.com/p/new-balance-fuell-cell-propel-grey-black-mens-shoes-mfcprlf1-201930/
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Post by yes on May 26, 2020 14:39:27 GMT
I'd probably avoid trail shoes even if you are doing light trails. When the ground is hardish, it's good to have cushioned road shoes when you're still relatively new to running. I'll still run in road shoes most of the time. Velo Runner in Stone is still going, you can get gait analysis done there to have proper fitting shoes. They did have shoes going cheap a few weeks ago, got a pair of Mizuno for £30, comfiest shoes I've worn. Not sure if they have any left, but it's still good to get the analysis done at least once. The Brooks are comfy as someone has mentioned too. I've gone for these. Half price (£50). Last pair available and they were in my size. www.prodirectrunning.com/p/new-balance-fuell-cell-propel-grey-black-mens-shoes-mfcprlf1-201930/They look good 👍
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 15:18:51 GMT
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Post by felonious on May 26, 2020 15:18:55 GMT
I'd generally steer clear of own brand shoes but maybe I'm just a brand snob. As for what is or isn't a good shoe you can only really know that by putting them on your feet and having a run. Once you find something that fits well and makes you want to run in them stick with them (until the stupid manufacturer changes them for no good reason). I'd agree with all of that. It will always be tricky buying them online without the chance to try them on first. Mine are knackered and I'm desperate for a new pair but I'm to try and hang on until I can try them on. Don't be put off by the name but I've never had any problems with these: linkAnother plea to remember to get running socks too - they defo made a big difference to me when I switched to them. 55 minute 10K today - absolutely bollexed. 10 miles today Rudyard/ Ladderedge in 1:15 it was warm out there and half of it was cross country, a fair few stiles and rutted footpaths. I need some socks I'm down to the last two pairs and the running shoes are wearing down with the extra running over the last two and a bit months.
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Post by felonious on May 26, 2020 15:25:07 GMT
I'd agree with all of that. It will always be tricky buying them online without the chance to try them on first. Mine are knackered and I'm desperate for a new pair but I'm to try and hang on until I can try them on. Don't be put off by the name but I've never had any problems with these: linkAnother plea to remember to get running socks too - they defo made a big difference to me when I switched to them. 55 minute 10K today - absolutely bollexed. Yes to the running socks. I generally buy a load of pairs from aldi whenever they have a running event. At around £4 a go they're just as good as more expensive brands like hilly that I've bought. I've had Brooks shoes before and been impressed. The only problem is the price for a tight arse like me. Similarly with other US running specific brands (HOKA, saucony etc.). They all seem to command quite a premium. Have you tried Running Bear to see if they've got any offers on this brand. My young running mate today swears by them and I'm sure he mentioned that they'd got an offer on them although the current model were a little more expensive. I never buy the latest model of Asics it doesn't make any sense to me. Cheeky email to Running Bear to ask if they've got any special offers on their Brooks range?
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Post by felonious on May 26, 2020 15:29:10 GMT
I've just done 10 miles at 5.02/ km average pace with similar elevation and this Garmin is telling me I've used 962 calories.... what are you doing?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 15:37:49 GMT
I've just done 10 miles at 5.02/ km average pace with similar elevation and this Garmin is telling me I've used 962 calories.... what are you doing? I dunno, but I'm absolutely bolloxed 😂😂😂 I think the times will start getting slower from here on in.
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Post by yes on May 26, 2020 17:22:10 GMT
I've just done 10 miles at 5.02/ km average pace with similar elevation and this Garmin is telling me I've used 962 calories.... what are you doing? Is that about 4:39 km average? You will use less calories at your age, body needs to hold onto them 😉
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Post by felonious on May 26, 2020 17:35:46 GMT
I've just done 10 miles at 5.02/ km average pace with similar elevation and this Garmin is telling me I've used 962 calories.... what are you doing? Is that about 4:39 km average? You will use less calories at your age, body needs to hold onto them 😉 My body was already informed it was getting a massive slice of my daughter's fresh cream sponge as soon as I'd finished my stretch along with with my very reliable running mate I've only had the Garmin and the App going for a couple of months but I get the feeling that the faster you run, the less calories per mile you use. It's almost as if the programme is using time rather than distance.... hopefully Timmypotter or Northy will post something intelligent
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Post by yes on May 26, 2020 18:03:00 GMT
Is that about 4:39 km average? You will use less calories at your age, body needs to hold onto them 😉 My body was already informed it was getting a massive slice of my daughter's fresh cream sponge as soon as I'd finished my stretch along with with my very reliable running mate I've only had the Garmin and the App going for a couple of months but I get the feeling that the faster you run, the less calories per mile you use. It's almost as if the programme is using time rather than distance.... hopefully Timmypotter or Northy will post something intelligent Mine tends to go for around 100 calories per mile, no idea why. It was probably more accurate when I had HR on it, but turned it off as I started reading too much into it.
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Post by Timmypotter on May 27, 2020 7:15:39 GMT
My body was already informed it was getting a massive slice of my daughter's fresh cream sponge as soon as I'd finished my stretch along with with my very reliable running mate I've only had the Garmin and the App going for a couple of months but I get the feeling that the faster you run, the less calories per mile you use. It's almost as if the programme is using time rather than distance.... hopefully Timmypotter or Northy will post something intelligent Mine tends to go for around 100 calories per mile, no idea why. It was probably more accurate when I had HR on it, but turned it off as I started reading too much into it. I ignore the calorie and Vo2max estimates my watch gives as it usually seems to be complete nonsense. Mine goes the other way and massively increases the calorie reading for a hard run and thinks I can run hundreds of easy miles on just a few peanuts. It will also downgrade my vo2max as soon as I do a short slow run and then take ages to increase it again. I pay most attention to the HR data as that seems to be the best guage of how hard I've worked and is actually based on something that happened rather than a guess.
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Post by yes on May 27, 2020 8:47:52 GMT
Mine tends to go for around 100 calories per mile, no idea why. It was probably more accurate when I had HR on it, but turned it off as I started reading too much into it. I ignore the calorie and Vo2max estimates my watch gives as it usually seems to be complete nonsense. Mine goes the other way and massively increases the calorie reading for a hard run and thinks I can run hundreds of easy miles on just a few peanuts. It will also downgrade my vo2max as soon as I do a short slow run and then take ages to increase it again. I pay most attention to the HR data as that seems to be the best guage of how hard I've worked and is actually based on something that happened rather than a guess. True, I just couldn't be arsed reading too much into it, I'd rather just go off feeling. I thought the VO2 max was bollocks as it gave me ridiculous readings early last year, low and behold I was hitting the times late last year!
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Post by Timmypotter on May 27, 2020 9:30:02 GMT
I ignore the calorie and Vo2max estimates my watch gives as it usually seems to be complete nonsense. Mine goes the other way and massively increases the calorie reading for a hard run and thinks I can run hundreds of easy miles on just a few peanuts. It will also downgrade my vo2max as soon as I do a short slow run and then take ages to increase it again. I pay most attention to the HR data as that seems to be the best guage of how hard I've worked and is actually based on something that happened rather than a guess. True, I just couldn't be arsed reading too much into it, I'd rather just go off feeling. I thought the VO2 max was bollocks as it gave me ridiculous readings early last year, low and behold I was hitting the times late last year! Yep - definitely agree that feel is your best guage. I use HR just to see what my body was actually doing. Some days I feel great, run fast and my HR is chugging along at around 75% of my max. Other days everything feels rubbish, I'm hardly moving and my HR is pushing 90% of max. I want to know what the secret is to those easy fast runs. For me I think it's about being well rested and relaxed with no expectations of the run. Running is a funny business.
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Post by Orbs on May 27, 2020 9:53:02 GMT
What sort of heart rates are we talking? My gadget said this for my run yesterday:
1 minute warm-up 88-104 bpm 0 minute fat-burning 105-121 bpm 1 minute aerobic 122-138 bpm 4 minute anaerobic 139-156 bpm 49 minute extreme 157-173 bpm
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Post by Timmypotter on May 27, 2020 10:17:23 GMT
What sort of heart rates are we talking? My gadget said this for my run yesterday: 1 minute warm-up 88-104 bpm 0 minute fat-burning 105-121 bpm 1 minute aerobic 122-138 bpm 4 minute anaerobic 139-156 bpm 49 minute extreme 157-173 bpm You can usually edit the values it uses for those different zones. If you've used it for a race where you really went balls out then you probably got near to your max in your push to the finish line. Failing that, go and do some hill sprints until you feel sick and see what your HR is just at the point you feel the vomit exiting your stomach. Using this scientific method I estimated my max to be around 200 based on a race I did where I blacked out for a few seconds at the finish line. Based on your readings above you have your max HR set way too low. 49 minutes in the top 10% of your range is probably a near death experience.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 10:23:00 GMT
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Post by Timmypotter on May 27, 2020 10:27:40 GMT
Lovely day for it. How did that feel? I can't wait to get out today.
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Post by Orbs on May 27, 2020 10:48:31 GMT
What sort of heart rates are we talking? My gadget said this for my run yesterday: 1 minute warm-up 88-104 bpm 0 minute fat-burning 105-121 bpm 1 minute aerobic 122-138 bpm 4 minute anaerobic 139-156 bpm 49 minute extreme 157-173 bpm You can usually edit the values it uses for those different zones. If you've used it for a race where you really went balls out then you probably got near to your max in your push to the finish line. Failing that, go and do some hill sprints until you feel sick and see what your HR is just at the point you feel the vomit exiting your stomach. Using this scientific method I estimated my max to be around 200 based on a race I did where I blacked out for a few seconds at the finish line. Based on your readings above you have your max HR set way too low. 49 minutes in the top 10% of your range is probably a near death experience. I've had a couple of those in the past! Not sure how I set the max HR - I've just put it on my wrist and off it went. It currently says 64 bpm while I'm sat at my desk. TBH it's not that reliable (it's a nuband something) the GPS is shocking too. That's unless I'm only running 7.5 km in 55 minutes - Map my run defo says it's a 10k route. It's probably just poor tech and therefore not accurate.
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Post by felonious on May 27, 2020 11:32:26 GMT
What sort of heart rates are we talking? My gadget said this for my run yesterday: 1 minute warm-up 88-104 bpm 0 minute fat-burning 105-121 bpm 1 minute aerobic 122-138 bpm 4 minute anaerobic 139-156 bpm 49 minute extreme 157-173 bpm You can usually edit the values it uses for those different zones. If you've used it for a race where you really went balls out then you probably got near to your max in your push to the finish line. Failing that, go and do some hill sprints until you feel sick and see what your HR is just at the point you feel the vomit exiting your stomach. Using this scientific method I estimated my max to be around 200 based on a race I did where I blacked out for a few seconds at the finish line. Based on your readings above you have your max HR set way too low. 49 minutes in the top 10% of your range is probably a near death experience. Tell me about it, me and St Johns have been on a run with him
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 11:33:06 GMT
Lovely day for it. How did that feel? I can't wait to get out today. Felt a lot better and stronger than yesterday, which I cant figure out 🤷♂️🤷♂️
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