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Post by passtheoatcakes on May 23, 2013 23:27:00 GMT
So nothing to do with the fact that he may be yet another egotistical overpaid prima donna, with the common sense of a 10 year old being led on by a greedy agent? Aren't they all? No, don't think so.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 23:28:00 GMT
Ok not all of them - what about most of them?
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Post by passtheoatcakes on May 23, 2013 23:30:24 GMT
Ok not all of them - what about most of them? Maybe
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 23:33:12 GMT
It's a job. If you're unhappy in your job, or think you can get more elsewhere, you do what you can to get away. Supporters are tied to the club they love. Footballers aren't. They have to do what's best for themselves. We don't live in the 70s anymore.
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Post by thesandbankskid on May 23, 2013 23:36:46 GMT
It's all about agent fees and signing on fees, got to be.
Let him go, we don't need or want cunts like him, let's hope he does a John Halls.
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Post by thesandbankskid on May 23, 2013 23:38:03 GMT
Wonder if he handed it in before Pulis left?
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Post by philm87 on May 24, 2013 0:00:20 GMT
So this is presumably one of those problems Pulis was alluding to?
Can't understand why Pulis persevered with him for the second half of the season then. Makes no sense.
Bear in mind also, at the point at which he handed in this transfer request we were looking at a potential top ten finish and he was in excellent form. Given he's not retracted it then surely it has more to do than not liking Pulis? Something in his personal life or a falling out with other members of the squad?
It's a bit like the situation with Pennant. You have a good player on your hands but deep down you know he is a cunt. Fook him off and get what we can for him. I look forward to the abuse he will get if he ever comes back.
How much do you know JSU? Can we expect more of this kind of stuff to come out?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 0:07:22 GMT
So this is presumably one of those problems Pulis was alluding to? Can't understand why Pulis persevered with him for the second half of the season then. Makes no sense. Bear in mind also, at the point at which he handed in this transfer request we were looking at a potential top ten finish and he was in excellent form. Given he's not retracted it then surely it has more to do than not liking Pulis? Something in his personal life or a falling out with other members of the squad? It's a bit like the situation with Pennant. You have a good player on your hands but deep down you know he is a cunt. Fook him off and get what we can for him. I look forward to the abuse he will get if he ever comes back. How much do you know JSU? Can we expect more of this kind of stuff to come out? Given how close we came to being relegated with N'Zonzi in the team, it's perhaps a good job Pulis did persevere with him. And let's face it, there'd have been hell up if Pulis had dropped him and we'd gone down.
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Post by philm87 on May 24, 2013 0:14:14 GMT
So this is presumably one of those problems Pulis was alluding to? Can't understand why Pulis persevered with him for the second half of the season then. Makes no sense. Bear in mind also, at the point at which he handed in this transfer request we were looking at a potential top ten finish and he was in excellent form. Given he's not retracted it then surely it has more to do than not liking Pulis? Something in his personal life or a falling out with other members of the squad? It's a bit like the situation with Pennant. You have a good player on your hands but deep down you know he is a cunt. Fook him off and get what we can for him. I look forward to the abuse he will get if he ever comes back. How much do you know JSU? Can we expect more of this kind of stuff to come out? Given how close we came to being relegated with N'Zonzi in the team, it's perhaps a good job Pulis did persevere with him. And let's face it, there'd have been hell up if Pulis had dropped him and we'd gone down. Yeah I suppose. Some of it makes sense now. The Villa and Wet Sham debacles... we lacked the spirit previous sides have shown. Just incredibly frustrating that it seems like so much is happening behind the scenes - much of which appears quite worrying - and nobody on here really has a fooking clue what is going on.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 0:35:52 GMT
Given how close we came to being relegated with N'Zonzi in the team, it's perhaps a good job Pulis did persevere with him. And let's face it, there'd have been hell up if Pulis had dropped him and we'd gone down. Yeah I suppose. Some of it makes sense now. The Villa and Wet Sham debacles... we lacked the spirit previous sides have shown. Just incredibly frustrating that it seems like so much is happening behind the scenes - much of which appears quite worrying - and nobody on here really has a fooking clue what is going on. I'm pleased that Pulis has gone, and for that reason, I'm more excited than worried. Got to admit though that if everything that's happening now was happening at the end of July, I'd be fearing relegation next season. There's no need for panic over the new manager at the moment, but we can't afford to take too long, and it's looking increasingly likely that we'll need someone who can bring a new team together quickly.
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Post by digger on May 24, 2013 0:46:03 GMT
to get through all that and not get relegated
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 24, 2013 0:57:02 GMT
NZonzis a good player but not as good as some think. I think it's the shock of having someone who's confident on the ball who can pass to his own man. He's replaceable. If we get a decent manager in he might regret being such a Mardarse.
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Post by tuum on May 24, 2013 2:44:58 GMT
I didn't see anything special about him? He picks the ball up and just plays the simple pass. Fair enough he keeps the ball but people make out like he's a footballing god. Agree. Not as good as he (or some supporters) think he is. Comfortable on the ball but shit scared to use it aggressively. Slows play down when he has the ball and misses attacking opportunities due to his lack of vision/negativity. Does the simple things well. Will be missed a little bit but we will soon get over him.
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Post by PotterLog on May 24, 2013 3:30:39 GMT
I didn't see anything special about him? He picks the ball up and just plays the simple pass. Fair enough he keeps the ball but people make out like he's a footballing god. Agree. Not as good as he (or some supporters) think he is. Comfortable on the ball but shit scared to use it aggressively. Slows play down when he has the ball and misses attacking opportunities due to his lack of vision/negativity. Does the simple things well. Will be missed a little bit but we will soon get over him. "shit scared to use it aggressively. Slows play down when he has the ball and misses attacking opportunities due to his lack of vision/negativity" It genuinely amazes me, after ten years of TP, that people can still think traits like these are down to the player.
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Post by danbury90 on May 24, 2013 3:39:02 GMT
Hi their, I'm new to this forum.
I Hope he doesn't go because I've just brought the new away shirt with his name on.
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Post by NassauDave on May 24, 2013 4:20:22 GMT
He would be no loss at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 4:37:29 GMT
My initial thoughts were a West Ham tapping up, with the Big Sam link - but surely he would have moved there last summer if Allardyce was a big admirer. Nzonzi has shown his true colours following a stunning start to his Stoke career, and I'm not convinced we're going to see him perform consistently well for us again (wrong DNA) so it's probably best to get rid. Step forward Marc Wilson? Pulis, N'zonzi... Begovic? I think I preferred it when davesviews was the only excitement between the season end and the final day of the transfer window.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 5:14:30 GMT
Allardyce will give us 6million for him, fuck him off if he I doesn't want to play or us.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 24, 2013 5:26:52 GMT
Hi their, I'm new to this forum. I Hope he doesn't go because I've just brought the new away shirt with his name on. Well keep your fingers crossed we sign N'Zogbia you'll be able to sort it with a marker pen Oh and by the way, you actually bought one of those away tops ????
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on May 24, 2013 5:49:58 GMT
Sounds like a combo of throwing some toys out the pram & advice from his father.
Ok, player wants to go? See what price.
N Zonzi is French, so send him to Le Noir et Blancs on Toonside
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Post by trigger on May 24, 2013 5:56:30 GMT
C'mon down a certain Mr Shelvey as part of the Bego deal then. Ticks every box for me.
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Post by stokeramblers on May 24, 2013 6:29:05 GMT
C'mon down a certain Mr Shelvey as part of the Bego deal then. Ticks every box for me. What boxes are they then? Overrated Shit Bald
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 24, 2013 6:32:08 GMT
I saw this on my phone late last night and my initial reaction was "this is old news being regurgitated as new news".
However, having read the Telegraph article, it seems like this is a 2nd transfer request and there also seems to be quotes from Peter Coates to confirm this.
I know nothing of a new transfer request but I do know about the first one. N'zonzi has been very unhappy at Stoke and has wanted out since pre-Christmas. I am surprised his first transfer request stayed quiet.
Why was he unhappy pre-Christmas. The answer is lots of reasons. He wasn't happy about being shackled, he wasn't happy at the role he was being given, he wasn't happy with our style of play but worse of all, he wasn't happy with his teammates, some of whom he neither rated or trusted. I was told of a very open training ground spat with Kightly, Shotton and a particularly ugly exchange with Walters who he allegedly referred to as a "puppet".
Allegedly by December, he cut an increasingly lonely and sullen figure in our dressing room and simply turned up for training and went home. He didn't mix with any of the other players, be it inside or outside of training. He had become a loner and he wanted out.
Sadly, N'zonzi's problems, whilst they may have started with frustration at our manager and his preferred modus operendi, are perhaps a little too big to be resolved by a simple change of manager and maybe, just maybe, that is why a second request has been forthcoming.
Who knows? One to watch with interest i'm sure.
For me he is a very good player who has been hamstrung by the system of play, the role he has been given and some of the complete and utter dross he has been surrounded with. As one of our better players though, you half expect him to grab our team by the scruff of the neck and drag us through games. Instead, he sulked and refused to pass to team-mates he clearly didn't rate.
If we can get a decent price for him, I suspect we will have little choice but to get rid of him if this is indeed a second transfer request rather than old news being regurgitated.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 6:38:09 GMT
I saw this on my phone late last night and my initial reaction was "this is old news being regurgitated as new news". However, having read the Telegraph article, it seems like this is a 2nd transfer request and there also seems to be quotes from Peter Coates to confirm this. I know nothing of a new transfer request but I do know about the first one. N'zonzi has been very unhappy at Stoke and has wanted out since pre-Christmas. I am surprised his first transfer request stayed quiet. Why was he unhappy pre-Christmas. The answer is lots of reasons. He wasn't happy about being shackled, he wasn't happy at the role he was being given, he wasn't happy with our style of play but worse of all, he wasn't happy with his teammates, some of whom he neither rated or trusted. I was told of a very open training ground spat with Kightly, Shotton and a particularly ugly exchange with Walters who he allegedly referred to as a "puppet". Allegedly by December, he cut an increasingly lonely and sullen figure in our dressing room and simply turned up for training and went home. He didn't mix with any of the other players, be it inside or outside of training. He had become a loner and he wanted out. Sadly, N'zonzi's problems, whilst they may have started with frustration at our manager and his preferred modus operendi, are perhaps a little too big to be resolved by a simple change of manager and maybe, just maybe, that is why a second request has been forthcoming. Who knows? One to watch with interest i'm sure. For me he is a very good player who has been hamstrung by the system of play, the role he has been given and some of the complete and utter dross he has been surrounded with. As one of our better players though, you half expect him to grab our team by the scruff of the neck and drag us through games. Instead, he sulked and refused to pass to team-mates he clearly didn't rate. If we can get a decent price for him, I suspect we will have little choice but to get rid of him if this is indeed a second transfer request rather than old news being regurgitated. So in other words hes made his bed but refuses to lie in it fuck him off and let him be someone elses problem
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Post by jeycov on May 24, 2013 6:44:33 GMT
Unrest in the changing room for a while and N'Zonzi has probably been there in the thick of it imo. In turn, I'm guessing that this has encouraged a few others to join in and make their feelings known - possibly Charlie Adam?
I believe that Pulis did a great job with Pennant, supporting him when lots would have given up, but eventually Pennant just overstepped the mark too many times. Indeed he too may have unsettled things this year. - a bit ungrateful if that is the case N'Zonzi as young player of the year may have been a way to encourage him to stay.
I'm disappointed, a little surprised that it's before a new manager has been appointed but we don't want a player who doesn't want to be here.
As for income from a potential sale, surely some clubs would think twice before considering him?
Hopefully Charlie Adam will wait and see who comes in if he is also unhappy.
I hope that Huth and Shawcross remain Stoke players and regain some confidence and composure once things settle down.
A bit of a mess at the moment, whoever comes in we need to give them our support even if we are a bit uneasy when the chosen candidiate is announced. We certainly need a strong, experienced manager to move us on - possibly pointing to Mark Hughes. At least he played as a forward and knows how to score goals!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 6:44:56 GMT
I saw this on my phone late last night and my initial reaction was "this is old news being regurgitated as new news". However, having read the Telegraph article, it seems like this is a 2nd transfer request and there also seems to be quotes from Peter Coates to confirm this. I know nothing of a new transfer request but I do know about the first one. N'zonzi has been very unhappy at Stoke and has wanted out since pre-Christmas. I am surprised his first transfer request stayed quiet. Why was he unhappy pre-Christmas. The answer is lots of reasons. He wasn't happy about being shackled, he wasn't happy at the role he was being given, he wasn't happy with our style of play but worse of all, he wasn't happy with his teammates, some of whom he neither rated or trusted. I was told of a very open training ground spat with Kightly, Shotton and a particularly ugly exchange with Walters who he allegedly referred to as a "puppet". Allegedly by December, he cut an increasingly lonely and sullen figure in our dressing room and simply turned up for training and went home. He didn't mix with any of the other players, be it inside or outside of training. He had become a loner and he wanted out. Sadly, N'zonzi's problems, whilst they may have started with frustration at our manager and his preferred modus operendi, are perhaps a little too big to be resolved by a simple change of manager and maybe, just maybe, that is why a second request has been forthcoming. Who knows? One to watch with interest i'm sure. For me he is a very good player who has been hamstrung by the system of play, the role he has been given and some of the complete and utter dross he has been surrounded with. As one of our better players though, you half expect him to grab our team by the scruff of the neck and drag us through games. Instead, he sulked and refused to pass to team-mates he clearly didn't rate. If we can get a decent price for him, I suspect we will have little choice but to get rid of him if this is indeed a second transfer request rather than old news being regurgitated. On one hand I have sympathy. I think i'd strangle the likes of Kightly, Shotton and Walters if I had chance. On the other hand, he signed the contract at 11pm on deadline day. Maybe that was the problem. Maybe he didn't really want to come and we were a stepping stone back into the Premier League?
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Post by harrysburrow on May 24, 2013 7:02:34 GMT
Very strange lad. I too, can't recollect him looking anything other than a miserable twat. So, months into a 3(4?) year contract he's disillusioned and wants to leave? (And that's when we were doing ok?) Well, that explains his drop in form in the new year and the timing of his request (publicly) is shocking. He's an excellent footballer, but he's got arrogant, money grabbing tosser written all over him.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 24, 2013 7:02:44 GMT
If he wants to go, fuck him off.
I've can't ever recall shedding any tears for a player departing after putting in a transfer request.
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Post by trigger on May 24, 2013 7:12:29 GMT
On another note he's right to complain Shotton, Kightly and even more so Walters are shit and I don't trust them and we should be looking at getting these type of players out of the club before the likes of N Zonzi. Players as mentioned above are stealing a living getting regular games in the Premier League.
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Post by tuum on May 24, 2013 7:18:18 GMT
Agree. Not as good as he (or some supporters) think he is. Comfortable on the ball but shit scared to use it aggressively. Slows play down when he has the ball and misses attacking opportunities due to his lack of vision/negativity. Does the simple things well. Will be missed a little bit but we will soon get over him. "shit scared to use it aggressively. Slows play down when he has the ball and misses attacking opportunities due to his lack of vision/negativity" It genuinely amazes me, after ten years of TP, that people can still think traits like these are down to the player. I understand why you would think that but I have watched N'Zonzi very closely and the bloke is oblivious to a lot of things that are happening around him. There have been numerous opportunities for him to release the ball forward to players in attacking postions with lots of space - he just doesn't see them...and occasionally when he does see them he chooses the safe option of the 5yd pass. Not all of this is down to TP because the opportunities that N'Zonzi misses are exactly what TP would want i.e. get the ball out to the winger in space for him to whip a cross into the box (or win a set piece). The guy is not a leader and does not take responsibility on the football pitch. It is not all down to TP. Is he the only midfielder with instructions not to pass the ball forward? Remove TP from the equation and N'Zonzi might be a better player but IMO he will never be the world-beater that people appear to expect. He is just a solid defensive midfielder. I think he can be easily replaced and I don't think we will miss him too much if he goes.
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