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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:19:35 GMT
I think we're actually blessed that Hughes has had the experiences he's had at Citeh and QPR and this will definitely colour his judgment (favourably for us) if Villa, Newcastle and (even) Spurs come knocking. I'm not convinced that Everton is a big enough of a step up for him to take the gamble on making the move, although of course they are a much bigger club than us. That pretty much leaves Liverpool as the worry for me, if we were to finish above them next season and to be fair it wouldn't have taken that much of a difference in results for it to have happened this time around. Do you think that Liverpool would come knocking for Hughes? I really can't see any of the big six coming anywhere near him,so I reckon we are pretty safe in the fact that I can't see Hughes leaving here anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:19:44 GMT
I think he has done very well for us. Trick now is to move it on another notch. That will take some difficult decisions over the next three months or so, in terms of players in / out and, realisation that our scouting network continues as it has done to unearth further gemstones.
(e.g. Peters - Butland - Muniesa - Bojan - Arnie) i.e. our future
I think its far too early to call on the academy - I am unaware as to whether this particular talent 'conveyor belt' is actually rolling or not anyway.
I do know Association Football is an extremely ruthless and merciless game - a professional sport with absolutely no time to 'mark time' -stand still or - take a breather nor, show any sentimentality or weakness whatsoever.
the Summer will be a big, big, test for our 'Hughesy'
Me, I think hes got the 'laps around the track' to handle it comfortably - this is the ideal appointment for both him and us
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:22:56 GMT
Most clubs who could tempt him away seem to choose their manager based on who will keep the fans happy.
Coates could afford to take a risk of appointing someone who would not please the supporters as the national media coverage is much less than others get. If he joined even an Everton, he'd get criticism for not finishing 4th, and sadly because he hasn't got an interesting accent or wears a quirky accessory like brown shoes or a sleeveless jacket.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2015 14:37:43 GMT
I think we're actually blessed that Hughes has had the experiences he's had at Citeh and QPR and this will definitely colour his judgment (favourably for us) if Villa, Newcastle and (even) Spurs come knocking. I'm not convinced that Everton is a big enough of a step up for him to take the gamble on making the move, although of course they are a much bigger club than us. That pretty much leaves Liverpool as the worry for me, if we were to finish above them next season and to be fair it wouldn't have taken that much of a difference in results for it to have happened this time around. Do you think that Liverpool would come knocking for Hughes? I really can't see any of the big six coming anywhere near him,so I reckon we are pretty safe in the fact that I can't see Hughes leaving here anytime soon. If we beat them on Sunday we will finish 8 points behind them. Now imagine if we'd beaten Leicester, Burnley and Palace at home this season - that would mean we would be finishing one place outside a Champions League spot, above Liverpool and there would be speculation about Mark Hughes' future EVERYWHERE. Whether Liverpool would come knocking or not I don't know but without question there would be legitimate discussions taking place all over the media about whether he could do a better job than Rodgers or not. And us lot on here would be very worried about it.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 17, 2015 14:42:40 GMT
Do you think that Liverpool would come knocking for Hughes? I really can't see any of the big six coming anywhere near him,so I reckon we are pretty safe in the fact that I can't see Hughes leaving here anytime soon. If we beat them on Sunday we will finish 8 points behind them. Now imagine if we'd beaten Leicester, Burnley and Palace at home this season - that would mean we would be finishing one place outside a Champions League spot, above Liverpool and there would be speculation about Mark Hughes' future EVERYWHERE. Whether Liverpool would come knocking or not I don't know but without question there would be legitimate discussions taking place all over the media about whether he could do a better job than Rodgers or not. And us lot on here would be very worried about it. liverpool will not go in for another mid table manager if the last one they had failed. They would go for a big european name. We didnt win those games or finish above them
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2015 14:48:35 GMT
If we beat them on Sunday we will finish 8 points behind them. Now imagine if we'd beaten Leicester, Burnley and Palace at home this season - that would mean we would be finishing one place outside a Champions League spot, above Liverpool and there would be speculation about Mark Hughes' future EVERYWHERE. Whether Liverpool would come knocking or not I don't know but without question there would be legitimate discussions taking place all over the media about whether he could do a better job than Rodgers or not. And us lot on here would be very worried about it. liverpool will not go in for another mid table manager if the last one they had failed. They would go for a big european name. We didnt win those games or finish above them I'm not saying they definitely would but I wouldn't completely rule it out either. If he'd just taken Stoke to 5th place having spent absolutely nothing, it would be something that their board would have to discuss though. Of course we didn't win those games but the point however, is that it proves that it's not that ridiculous to speculate that Hughes could have us finishing above them next season.
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Post by shawi on May 17, 2015 14:48:38 GMT
I'm sure every fan looks at points lost during the season & conjures up some dream scenario of "what if".....I can even imagine Leicester delusionals doing the what if we had Huth all season....we would be in the Champions League .. Bring on the summer transfer merry go round - an agent's time to print the filthy lucre !
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Post by viewfrominside on May 17, 2015 14:56:12 GMT
liverpool will not go in for another mid table manager if the last one they had failed. They would go for a big european name. We didnt win those games or finish above them I'm not saying they definitely would but I wouldn't completely rule it out either. If he'd just taken Stoke to 5th place having spent absolutely nothing, it would be something that their board would have to discuss though. all the more reason to back the man in the summer, them games above you mention could be winnable games next season, if we have a good summer and avoid injuries and selling of key players we could hit 60 points next season With a bit of luck. Seems unbeleivable but we could of done it this season without the injuries
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2015 14:59:37 GMT
I'm sure every fan looks at points lost during the season & conjures up some dream scenario of "what if".....I can even imagine Leicester delusionals doing the what if we had Huth all season....we would be in the Champions League .. Bring on the summer transfer merry go round - an agent's time to print the filthy lucre ! The 'what if' is there only to demonstrate a scenario where I could see Hughes being poached from us. I think we can probably discount Spurs, Everton, Newcastle and Villa, however IF we were to finish above Liverpool next season (and this season's results demonstrate that it isn't unreasonable to speculate that that could happen) then I could see a scenario where Liverpool MIGHT consider him as an option.
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Post by desman2 on May 17, 2015 15:02:46 GMT
If we beat them on Sunday we will finish 8 points behind them. Now imagine if we'd beaten Leicester, Burnley and Palace at home this season - that would mean we would be finishing one place outside a Champions League spot, above Liverpool and there would be speculation about Mark Hughes' future EVERYWHERE. Whether Liverpool would come knocking or not I don't know but without question there would be legitimate discussions taking place all over the media about whether he could do a better job than Rodgers or not. And us lot on here would be very worried about it. liverpool will not go in for another mid table manager if the last one they had failed. They would go for a big european name. We didnt win those games or finish above them Alot go for the big European name but on alot of occasions we still beat them anyway.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 17, 2015 15:07:35 GMT
We have literally give points away this season, if we can keep muniesa & shawcross here & fit next season that alone is worth 8 points, assuming butland performs because begovic has saved us countless points season after season
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:25:39 GMT
Do you think that Liverpool would come knocking for Hughes? I really can't see any of the big six coming anywhere near him,so I reckon we are pretty safe in the fact that I can't see Hughes leaving here anytime soon. If we beat them on Sunday we will finish 8 points behind them. Now imagine if we'd beaten Leicester, Burnley and Palace at home this season - that would mean we would be finishing one place outside a Champions League spot, above Liverpool and there would be speculation about Mark Hughes' future EVERYWHERE. Whether Liverpool would come knocking or not I don't know but without question there would be legitimate discussions taking place all over the media about whether he could do a better job than Rodgers or not. And us lot on here would be very worried about it. Do you seriously see us finishing above the likes of Liverpool anytime soon though Paul? I don't and I think the very best we can hope for is the 7th spot that Southampton currently occupy. Every team in the league can say imagine if we beat them or them,and at the end of the day we have finished this season exactly where we deserve to. I just don't see any of the so called big six coming knocking anytime soon for our manager as he isn't a glamorous enough name for them,whether that's right or wrong I'm not arsed,because I for one am glad that they won't come calling.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2015 16:31:54 GMT
If we beat them on Sunday we will finish 8 points behind them. Now imagine if we'd beaten Leicester, Burnley and Palace at home this season - that would mean we would be finishing one place outside a Champions League spot, above Liverpool and there would be speculation about Mark Hughes' future EVERYWHERE. Whether Liverpool would come knocking or not I don't know but without question there would be legitimate discussions taking place all over the media about whether he could do a better job than Rodgers or not. And us lot on here would be very worried about it. Do you seriously see us finishing above the likes of Liverpool anytime soon though Paul? I don't and I think the very best we can hope for is the 7th spot that Southampton currently occupy. Every team in the league can say imagine if we beat them or them,and at the end of the day we have finished this season exactly where we deserve to. I just don't see any of the so called big six coming knocking anytime soon for our manager as he isn't a glamorous enough name for them,whether that's right or wrong I'm not arsed,because I for one am glad that they won't come calling. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that we COULD finish above Liverpool next season, not at all. We've been decimated by injuries this season, give Hughes a better run with the numbers on the treatment table and a few quid to spend and you think there's no way he could make it to 60 points next season then?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:35:54 GMT
Do you seriously see us finishing above the likes of Liverpool anytime soon though Paul? I don't and I think the very best we can hope for is the 7th spot that Southampton currently occupy. Every team in the league can say imagine if we beat them or them,and at the end of the day we have finished this season exactly where we deserve to. I just don't see any of the so called big six coming knocking anytime soon for our manager as he isn't a glamorous enough name for them,whether that's right or wrong I'm not arsed,because I for one am glad that they won't come calling. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that we COULD finish above Liverpool next season, not at all. We've been decimated by injuries this season, give Hughes a better run with the numbers on the treatment table and a few quid to spend and you think there's no way he could make it to 60 points next season then? Not at all,I wouldn't say that. It would take an unbelievable season for us and another pretty shit one for Liverpool for it to happen. I'm not for one minute saying it couldn't happen but I just don't see it. You would have to think that Liverpool will improve on this season's offering next year.
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Post by Squeekster on May 17, 2015 16:37:55 GMT
liverpool will not go in for another mid table manager if the last one they had failed. They would go for a big european name. We didnt win those games or finish above them I'm not saying they definitely would but I wouldn't completely rule it out either. If he'd just taken Stoke to 5th place having spent absolutely nothing, it would be something that their board would have to discuss though. Of course we didn't win those games but the point however, is that it proves that it's not that ridiculous to speculate that Hughes could have us finishing above them next season. I said exactly the same or something very similar on a similar thread a few weeks back.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2015 16:43:48 GMT
I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that we COULD finish above Liverpool next season, not at all. We've been decimated by injuries this season, give Hughes a better run with the numbers on the treatment table and a few quid to spend and you think there's no way he could make it to 60 points next season then? Not at all,I wouldn't say that. It would take an unbelievable season for us and another pretty shit one for Liverpool for it to happen. I'm not for one minute saying it couldn't happen but I just don't see it. You would have to think that Liverpool will improve on this season's offering next year. Well if they do then we'd have nothing to worry about would we? My example was one where they didn't. I'm not saying that they definitely won't, just that it's the only scenario where we MIGHT see him being poached, as I don't think we've got much to worry about from Everton, Villa, Newcastle and (possibly even) Spurs, regardless of what happens.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:50:17 GMT
Not at all,I wouldn't say that. It would take an unbelievable season for us and another pretty shit one for Liverpool for it to happen. I'm not for one minute saying it couldn't happen but I just don't see it. You would have to think that Liverpool will improve on this season's offering next year. Well if they do then we'd have nothing to worry about would we? My example was one where they didn't. I'm not saying that they definitely won't, just that it's the only scenario where we MIGHT see him being poached, as I don't think we've got much to worry about from Everton, Villa, Newcastle and (possibly even) Spurs, regardless of what happens. We haven't anyway as far as teams like Liverpool are concerned I could see him having his head turned by the likes of Everton and Newcastle if Mike Ashley wasn't such a cock. I know one thing though,this close season is the time to back him a bit now,he's done superbly well with the signings he's made on the cheap but I shouldn't imagine that can last forever and I know that spending money is no guarantee, but I think he's earned the right now to be given a decent budget to go at
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2015 16:58:10 GMT
Well if they do then we'd have nothing to worry about would we? My example was one where they didn't. I'm not saying that they definitely won't, just that it's the only scenario where we MIGHT see him being poached, as I don't think we've got much to worry about from Everton, Villa, Newcastle and (possibly even) Spurs, regardless of what happens. We haven't anyway as far as teams like Liverpool are concerned I could see him having his head turned by the likes of Everton and Newcastle if Mike Ashley wasn't such a cock. I know one thing though,this close season is the time to back him a bit now,he's done superbly well with the signings he's made on the cheap but I shouldn't imagine that can last forever and I know that spending money is no guarantee, but I think he's earned the right now to be given a decent budget to go at That's why I said (at the very start) that I don't think he would go to Newcastle, Villa or (possibly) Spurs because of his experiences at Citeh and QPR. And I'm not sure Everton is a big enough step up for him to risk the security he's got here by taking a chance on a move to them. It's possible for sure but would it really be worth the risk? Who knows ....
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 17:04:11 GMT
We haven't anyway as far as teams like Liverpool are concerned I could see him having his head turned by the likes of Everton and Newcastle if Mike Ashley wasn't such a cock. I know one thing though,this close season is the time to back him a bit now,he's done superbly well with the signings he's made on the cheap but I shouldn't imagine that can last forever and I know that spending money is no guarantee, but I think he's earned the right now to be given a decent budget to go at That's why I said (at the very start) that I don't think he would go to Newcastle, Villa or (possibly) Spurs because of his experiences at Citeh and QPR. And I'm not sure Everton is a big enough step up for him to risk the security he's got here by taking a chance on a move to them. It's possible for sure but would it really be worth the risk? Who knows .... Well let's hope we don't have to worry about for a while yet
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 17, 2015 17:13:31 GMT
I think the Everton job might, just might, tempt him. It is a step up and you do have more chance of winning something than you do here. Also the right location, he has previous links and they most likely pay more. Grand old theatre tart, Kenwright looks a persuasive fucker in an 'actory' way as well.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on May 17, 2015 17:47:58 GMT
I think he is very happy here and is in the Stoke zone.
Judging by some of the signings and noises from him and the club, they are very much building for the future.
Everton wouldn't be big enough.
Only top 4 and can't see any calling on him.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 17:51:43 GMT
I think when he leaves it will be to a club in the Bundesliga, and it will be after he has taken us into, and been successful in Europe.
He has a good link there as a player and he is a known admirer of the football there. After that, he will come back to a Top 4 side with a much bigger reputation.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 17, 2015 18:03:09 GMT
From day one they called it.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 17, 2015 18:27:21 GMT
Page 1 through 3, I laughed my ass off, around page 12 when people threw names out I started laughing so hard it hurt... I mean... Some people honestly wanted Di matteo and the cake was Bayern wanting Poyet... Classic oatcake thread this... Just classic. This one is up there with the best of them...
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Post by stokemanusa on May 17, 2015 18:28:34 GMT
From day one they called it. You actually were one of the only ones to like Him or give him a go. I did too but missed this one here, fantastic reading this.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 17, 2015 18:33:16 GMT
The level of negativity never made sense. Just bizarre. It never does... Even the manager get's slated negatively LOL before he's bloody walked in the door.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 17, 2015 18:36:40 GMT
I don't think I expressed an opinion on this thread but, on facebook, I said that I didn't warm to him as a man although (unlike many) I thought his managerial record was pretty good. I think his record at Man City and QPR was heavily influenced by the fact that he doesn't seem to have had complete control over who was signed. All managers will fail to get some players they want, of course, but if I was a manager it would really hack me off to have players signed by those upstairs, if I personally didn't want them and wasn't convinced they would suit my system. So, although he must bear some responsibility at QPR and Citeh, I think the deck was stacked against him there. Take those two clubs out of the equation and his record at Wales, Blackburn and Fulham is remarkably consistent. Wales seemed to punch above their weight and much the same can be said of his time at Blackburn and Fulham - and regular top half finishes at both clubs gave me no cause for concern. What did worry me slightly (and was one of the reasons I didn't warm to him as a man) was his daft decision to leave Fulham after only 1 year in charge - especially when it quickly became clear that he had no "bigger" club lined up. That seemed to indicate a hot headed streak which might have affected his judgement. If that was the case then he certainly seems to have learned from the experience because he's said and done all the right things since he arrived at Stoke. I thought his initial press conference was a breath of fresh air and it certainly calmed many of my fears about his character. I think one thing Stoke provides, which he probably hasn't had since he left Blackburn, is a chairman who is supportive without interfering. I can't imagine Peter Coates ever sanctioning the purchase of a player over the manager's head. Similarly, it appears that it was made clear to Hughes EXACTLY what the financial constraints were when he took the job. He seems to have been made well aware that the new FFP rules combined with a spending spree in the two years before his arrival, meant that a spell of austerity on transfer fees lay ahead. The perfect storm of a decent chairman, promises kept, non interference in his recruitment policies, and fans who (with a few exceptions) have got behind Hughes and his team - he and we, have landed on our feet, thankfully. Good post Lakeland. I too commented on social media about the appointment, I knew his technical prowess would do wonders for training because of his Barca days and for that reason alone I was chuffed. I was worried about his personality molding well with the fans but he seems more subdued nowadays and lets the football do the talking. QPR and Citeh where hack jobs from the off, clubs with problems walking in. He's lucky and so are we to have a sensible outlook on the future with stability from both ends of the coin.
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Post by pottersrule on May 17, 2015 18:40:06 GMT
I think we're actually blessed that Hughes has had the experiences he's had at Citeh and QPR and this will definitely colour his judgment (favourably for us) if Villa, Newcastle and (even) Spurs come knocking. I'm not convinced that Everton is a big enough of a step up for him to take the gamble on making the move, although of course they are a much bigger club than us. That pretty much leaves Liverpool as the worry for me, if we were to finish above them next season and to be fair it wouldn't have taken that much of a difference in results for it to have happened this time around. I remember him saying he wanted to spend the rest of his career with us when he signed,so he must be looking at the job as a long term commitment.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 18, 2015 16:17:59 GMT
Page 1 through 3, I laughed my ass off, around page 12 when people threw names out I started laughing so hard it hurt... I mean... Some people honestly wanted Di matteo and the cake was Bayern wanting Poyet... Classic oatcake thread this... Just classic. This one is up there with the best of them... yes a must read it definatley is, it's a shame to let it die so soon
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 18, 2015 17:22:17 GMT
I can look back on this thread with a sense of pride.
Some of the so called knowitalls on this message board are shown to be the keyboard warriors we always suspected
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