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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 10:48:10 GMT
To be fair we've seen a totally different Hughes here than the arrogant one at QPR that stated they wouldn't be in that kind of trouble ever again with him in charge. etc. Oh I'm not having a go, I never stated my feelings on the oatcake I don't think but personally he was almost bottom of my list and now I think he is ace. I was literally commenting on the irony of it in regards to everyone on here, I mean the first couple pages there just isn't a positive comment about Sparky to be found to be honest! I know you weren't having a go mate. I actually find it quite funny, although looking back I can't remember being so damn harsh.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on May 16, 2015 10:56:20 GMT
Wasn't hugely impressed with him becoming manager, it's nice to be wrong at times! He's been nothing but sensational.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 17, 2015 6:30:54 GMT
Best ever points total in the prem
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 17, 2015 6:56:31 GMT
I don't think I expressed an opinion on this thread but, on facebook, I said that I didn't warm to him as a man although (unlike many) I thought his managerial record was pretty good. I think his record at Man City and QPR was heavily influenced by the fact that he doesn't seem to have had complete control over who was signed. All managers will fail to get some players they want, of course, but if I was a manager it would really hack me off to have players signed by those upstairs, if I personally didn't want them and wasn't convinced they would suit my system.
So, although he must bear some responsibility at QPR and Citeh, I think the deck was stacked against him there. Take those two clubs out of the equation and his record at Wales, Blackburn and Fulham is remarkably consistent. Wales seemed to punch above their weight and much the same can be said of his time at Blackburn and Fulham - and regular top half finishes at both clubs gave me no cause for concern.
What did worry me slightly (and was one of the reasons I didn't warm to him as a man) was his daft decision to leave Fulham after only 1 year in charge - especially when it quickly became clear that he had no "bigger" club lined up. That seemed to indicate a hot headed streak which might have affected his judgement. If that was the case then he certainly seems to have learned from the experience because he's said and done all the right things since he arrived at Stoke. I thought his initial press conference was a breath of fresh air and it certainly calmed many of my fears about his character.
I think one thing Stoke provides, which he probably hasn't had since he left Blackburn, is a chairman who is supportive without interfering. I can't imagine Peter Coates ever sanctioning the purchase of a player over the manager's head. Similarly, it appears that it was made clear to Hughes EXACTLY what the financial constraints were when he took the job. He seems to have been made well aware that the new FFP rules combined with a spending spree in the two years before his arrival, meant that a spell of austerity on transfer fees lay ahead.
The perfect storm of a decent chairman, promises kept, non interference in his recruitment policies, and fans who (with a few exceptions) have got behind Hughes and his team - he and we, have landed on our feet, thankfully.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 17, 2015 7:33:11 GMT
I don't think I expressed an opinion on this thread but, on facebook, I said that I didn't warm to him as a man although (unlike many) I thought his managerial record was pretty good. I think his record at Man City and QPR was heavily influenced by the fact that he doesn't seem to have had complete control over who was signed. All managers will fail to get some players they want, of course, but if I was a manager it would really hack me off to have players signed by those upstairs, if I personally didn't want them and wasn't convinced they would suit my system. So, although he must bear some responsibility at QPR and Citeh, I think the deck was stacked against him there. Take those two clubs out of the equation and his record at Wales, Blackburn and Fulham is remarkably consistent. Wales seemed to punch above their weight and much the same can be said of his time at Blackburn and Fulham - and regular top half finishes at both clubs gave me no cause for concern. What did worry me slightly (and was one of the reasons I didn't warm to him as a man) was his daft decision to leave Fulham after only 1 year in charge - especially when it quickly became clear that he had no "bigger" club lined up. That seemed to indicate a hot headed streak which might have affected his judgement. If that was the case then he certainly seems to have learned from the experience because he's said and done all the right things since he arrived at Stoke. I thought his initial press conference was a breath of fresh air and it certainly calmed many of my fears about his character. I think one thing Stoke provides, which he probably hasn't had since he left Blackburn, is a chairman who is supportive without interfering. I can't imagine Peter Coates ever sanctioning the purchase of a player over the manager's head. Similarly, it appears that it was made clear to Hughes EXACTLY what the financial constraints were when he took the job. He seems to have been made well aware that the new FFP rules combined with a spending spree in the two years before his arrival, meant that a spell of austerity on transfer fees lay ahead. The perfect storm of a decent chairman, promises kept, non interference in his recruitment policies, and fans who (with a few exceptions) have got behind Hughes and his team - he and we, have landed on our feet, thankfully. Good post, agree with mot of that forny, particularly about his judgement and wisdom in leaving Fulham but the job he did at Man City was fairly solid wasn't it? He certainly did some good transfer business. I certainly wouldn't associate it with the QPR shambles.
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Post by slpmarc on May 17, 2015 7:45:26 GMT
I don't think I expressed an opinion on this thread but, on facebook, I said that I didn't warm to him as a man although (unlike many) I thought his managerial record was pretty good. I think his record at Man City and QPR was heavily influenced by the fact that he doesn't seem to have had complete control over who was signed. All managers will fail to get some players they want, of course, but if I was a manager it would really hack me off to have players signed by those upstairs, if I personally didn't want them and wasn't convinced they would suit my system. So, although he must bear some responsibility at QPR and Citeh, I think the deck was stacked against him there. Take those two clubs out of the equation and his record at Wales, Blackburn and Fulham is remarkably consistent. Wales seemed to punch above their weight and much the same can be said of his time at Blackburn and Fulham - and regular top half finishes at both clubs gave me no cause for concern. What did worry me slightly (and was one of the reasons I didn't warm to him as a man) was his daft decision to leave Fulham after only 1 year in charge - especially when it quickly became clear that he had no "bigger" club lined up. That seemed to indicate a hot headed streak which might have affected his judgement. If that was the case then he certainly seems to have learned from the experience because he's said and done all the right things since he arrived at Stoke. I thought his initial press conference was a breath of fresh air and it certainly calmed many of my fears about his character. I think one thing Stoke provides, which he probably hasn't had since he left Blackburn, is a chairman who is supportive without interfering. I can't imagine Peter Coates ever sanctioning the purchase of a player over the manager's head. Similarly, it appears that it was made clear to Hughes EXACTLY what the financial constraints were when he took the job. He seems to have been made well aware that the new FFP rules combined with a spending spree in the two years before his arrival, meant that a spell of austerity on transfer fees lay ahead. The perfect storm of a decent chairman, promises kept, non interference in his recruitment policies, and fans who (with a few exceptions) have got behind Hughes and his team - he and we, have landed on our feet, thankfully. Good post, agree with mot of that forny, particularly about his judgement and wisdom in leaving Fulham but the job he did at Man City was fairly solid wasn't it? He certainly did some good transfer business. I certainly wouldn't associate it with the QPR shambles. I would suggest that at both Fulham and QPR there were people above him making decisions Hughes himself should of been making. I know for a fact some of the players brought at QPR Hughes had no clue about till they turned up for training and he was told to work with what he is given. Don't know if similar happened at Fulham
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 17, 2015 7:54:34 GMT
Good post, agree with mot of that forny, particularly about his judgement and wisdom in leaving Fulham but the job he did at Man City was fairly solid wasn't it? He certainly did some good transfer business. I certainly wouldn't associate it with the QPR shambles. I would suggest that at both Fulham and QPR there were people above him making decisions Hughes himself should of been making. I know for a fact some of the players brought at QPR Hughes had no clue about till they turned up for training and he was told to work with what he is given. Don't know if similar happened at Fulham Same at Man City as well Marc. Jo wasn't his signing, nor was Robinho.
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Post by slpmarc on May 17, 2015 7:55:43 GMT
I would suggest that at both Fulham and QPR there were people above him making decisions Hughes himself should of been making. I know for a fact some of the players brought at QPR Hughes had no clue about till they turned up for training and he was told to work with what he is given. Don't know if similar happened at Fulham Same at Man City as well Marc. Jo wasn't his signing, nor was Robinho. Very true Rob, basically he has been sh*t on in virtually every job he has had. But he is well chuffed to be working under Coates
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 17, 2015 8:44:01 GMT
It was always very weird how people felt about him.
To write him off based mostly around QPR was very short sighted.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 17, 2015 8:46:34 GMT
I don't think I expressed an opinion on this thread but, on facebook, I said that I didn't warm to him as a man although (unlike many) I thought his managerial record was pretty good. I think his record at Man City and QPR was heavily influenced by the fact that he doesn't seem to have had complete control over who was signed. All managers will fail to get some players they want, of course, but if I was a manager it would really hack me off to have players signed by those upstairs, if I personally didn't want them and wasn't convinced they would suit my system. So, although he must bear some responsibility at QPR and Citeh, I think the deck was stacked against him there. Take those two clubs out of the equation and his record at Wales, Blackburn and Fulham is remarkably consistent. Wales seemed to punch above their weight and much the same can be said of his time at Blackburn and Fulham - and regular top half finishes at both clubs gave me no cause for concern. What did worry me slightly (and was one of the reasons I didn't warm to him as a man) was his daft decision to leave Fulham after only 1 year in charge - especially when it quickly became clear that he had no "bigger" club lined up. That seemed to indicate a hot headed streak which might have affected his judgement. If that was the case then he certainly seems to have learned from the experience because he's said and done all the right things since he arrived at Stoke. I thought his initial press conference was a breath of fresh air and it certainly calmed many of my fears about his character. I think one thing Stoke provides, which he probably hasn't had since he left Blackburn, is a chairman who is supportive without interfering. I can't imagine Peter Coates ever sanctioning the purchase of a player over the manager's head. Similarly, it appears that it was made clear to Hughes EXACTLY what the financial constraints were when he took the job. He seems to have been made well aware that the new FFP rules combined with a spending spree in the two years before his arrival, meant that a spell of austerity on transfer fees lay ahead. The perfect storm of a decent chairman, promises kept, non interference in his recruitment policies, and fans who (with a few exceptions) have got behind Hughes and his team - he and we, have landed on our feet, thankfully. Good post, agree with mot of that forny, particularly about his judgement and wisdom in leaving Fulham but the job he did at Man City was fairly solid wasn't it? He certainly did some good transfer business. I certainly wouldn't associate it with the QPR shambles. I think, from memory, that he got a significantly high number of draws at Citeh? That would tie in with him maybe having to shoehorn some players he hadn't asked for into his way of playing? But you are right, any problems at Citeh were of a very different order of magnitude to those at QPR. At Citeh it was probably more the case that the mega rich owners were a) in too much of a hurry and b) fell into the trap of thinking that a big (preferably foreign) "name" was necessarily better than a taciturn Brit. Considering what they have spent, I still regard Citeh as underachievers - which cheers me up and probably cheers Hughes up when he thinks about Citeh.
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Post by alansuddick on May 17, 2015 8:55:05 GMT
Rumours hes on his way to everton
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 17, 2015 8:58:21 GMT
Rumours hes on his way to everton Martinez is safe for now you'd have thought.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 17, 2015 8:58:40 GMT
Rumours are 99% bullshit.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 17, 2015 9:01:56 GMT
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Post by alansuddick on May 17, 2015 9:03:45 GMT
I 2dont belive it either just something ive been told.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 9:30:54 GMT
I don't think I posted either but was very unimpressed. The Benitez talk turned my head and Sparky was a damp squib. I thought he had a decent managerial record, it was his personality I wasn't impressed with.
After his initial press conference I was definitely on side though. As had already been said, I completely misjudged his personality and character. Very happy with how things have worked out.
For balance, I never really changed my opinion of the capped one regardless of his success.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 17, 2015 9:54:30 GMT
Bunch of cocks.
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Post by Stoke711 on May 17, 2015 10:37:27 GMT
To be honest I think as long as Hughes is backed, he'll stay.
He seems very happy here and he knows the grass isnt always as green on the other side. No disrespect to Fulham but we are a progressing club and Hughes still has a lot of expansion possibilities here.
We haven't reached our limit, which will hopefully keep Hughes interested.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 17, 2015 10:47:25 GMT
Does anybody else breathe a sigh of relied when these old threads come up and you haven't said anything that embarrassing?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 10:51:14 GMT
Does anybody else breathe a sigh of relied when these old threads come up and you haven't said anything that embarrassing? I don't think I posted on this thread, but I daren't look beyond page 2 just in case.
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Post by bmstoke on May 17, 2015 10:53:46 GMT
Does anybody else breathe a sigh of relied when these old threads come up and you haven't said anything that embarrassing? I'm really glad I didn't comment, I was firmly in the anybody but camp.
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Post by ruts66 on May 17, 2015 10:56:02 GMT
I really hope and pray Mr Coates backs Hughesy in the summer - it would be a travesty to risk him walking away.
Two 9th places on an absolute pittance (in relative terms) deserves nothing less.
Okay, £30/40m may 'only' improve us to 7th/8th but spending very little again will almost certainly see us drop down the table.
Come on Peter, you can't spend it when you're gone...
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Post by ruts66 on May 17, 2015 11:12:56 GMT
Does anybody else breathe a sigh of relied when these old threads come up and you haven't said anything that embarrassing? Just read up to page 9 - there must be enough humble pie around now to feed the starving millions...
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Post by metalhead on May 17, 2015 12:50:39 GMT
Heard from a friend fairly close to the club this morning that Hughes has been contacted regarding the job and that the board want to get a manager in before next week. He isn't the only person been contacted though, I'll mention that. There have been a few phone calls made, and Hughes is definitely one of them. No one has told him anything. He's just gutted his mate has left. My mate? Where have you been for the last 12 months eh? I've been just as critical as everyone else regarding Pulis. I'm gutted he's gone but perhaps it's sentimental more than anything else. The difference between you and I, is that I'm realistic. I don't expect Rafa Benitez, or Jose Mourinho, but for fuck sake, Mark Hughes? You want Mark Hughes? We can do better than that. Where did you hear this metalhead? He's not really very vibrant is he? As above, from a friend close to the club. He insisted the club didn't want to hang about and would be looking to get someone at the latest by next week. It's obviously a rumour at the moment, but it sends shivers up my spine! Well... Aren't I a cock? Still, I'm the first ITK to actually be right lol.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 17, 2015 12:59:04 GMT
Rumours hes on his way to everton Can't see it, why would he want to go there? Hughes arrived at Stoke with a cloud over his name, he has done well here it has been a good fit. If Scfc show half the ambition we are capable of he would be a fool to leave. Why go to Everton who will of just sacked Martinez for a poor season even though he was balancing European football at the time. Hughes has good foundations here to push this club on with a board that won't fire him without a second thought. He'd be a fool to leave & he isn't that stupid, he won't want another repeat of the Fulham episode on his c.v. Genuinely beleive he will think he can win something here if the board trust his judgement and show a bit of ambition
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Post by nutterpotter on May 17, 2015 13:01:20 GMT
Heard from a friend fairly close to the club this morning that Hughes has been contacted regarding the job and that the board want to get a manager in before next week. He isn't the only person been contacted though, I'll mention that. There have been a few phone calls made, and Hughes is definitely one of them. My mate? Where have you been for the last 12 months eh? I've been just as critical as everyone else regarding Pulis. I'm gutted he's gone but perhaps it's sentimental more than anything else. The difference between you and I, is that I'm realistic. I don't expect Rafa Benitez, or Jose Mourinho, but for fuck sake, Mark Hughes? You want Mark Hughes? We can do better than that. As above, from a friend close to the club. He insisted the club didn't want to hang about and would be looking to get someone at the latest by next week. It's obviously a rumour at the moment, but it sends shivers up my spine! Well... Aren't I a cock? Still, I'm the first ITK to actually be right lol. Any idea who else we were looking at?
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 17, 2015 13:10:50 GMT
.. I've changed my opinion, it's fair to say
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Post by metalhead on May 17, 2015 13:11:20 GMT
Well... Aren't I a cock? Still, I'm the first ITK to actually be right lol. Any idea who else we were looking at? I can't remember him mentioning anyone. He said that they'd already settled on Hughes, even though it wasn't announced until the end of the week after. Not bad inside knowledge that
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Post by nutterpotter on May 17, 2015 13:12:13 GMT
Any idea who else we were looking at? I can't remember him mentioning anyone. He said that they'd already settled on Hughes, even though it wasn't announced until the end of the week after. Not bad inside knowledge that Nice one mate! Credit where credit's due!
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2015 14:12:56 GMT
I think we're actually blessed that Hughes has had the experiences he's had at Citeh and QPR and this will definitely colour his judgment (favourably for us) if Villa, Newcastle and (even) Spurs come knocking. I'm not convinced that Everton is a big enough of a step up for him to take the gamble on making the move, although of course they are a much bigger club than us. That pretty much leaves Liverpool as the worry for me, if we were to finish above them next season and to be fair it wouldn't have taken that much of a difference in results for it to have happened this time around.
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