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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 22:53:51 GMT
Princess Diana? She was a......lovely person too.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 9, 2013 22:56:38 GMT
Bayern I'm' going to do some reading and I'll get back to you (I know you won't care and or be looking), this is kind of what I was asking for so thanks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 22:58:03 GMT
Bayern I'm' going to do some reading and I'll get back to you (I know you won't care and or be looking), this is kind of what I was asking for so thanks. I actually will be but if it takes longer than half an hour, I'll care and look tomorrow, I need some sleep.
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Post by RAF on Apr 9, 2013 22:59:44 GMT
I have never had such a diametrically opposed set of emotions regarding this Seeing the desolation that Thatcher's premiership has done to this area, my own family and that of my friends is sickening. She has turned good honest people into walking shells, ripping the pride and honour that providing clothing, food and warmth for a beloved family through good honest graft brings. A country that stands still repairing itself from the effects of her tenure, the banking crisis, shortages of social housing, privatization, childcare, welfare state etc. Anyone who looks around the areas of Stoke-on-Trent can still see, standing decimated, lying ruined in a Pompeii style horror preserving the after-effects of snatching employment, pride and self worth from bread-winners, food, clothing and shoes from children and to top it all off, the nourishment of milk from children. Anyone, but anyone, who can argue that Margaret Thatcher should be lauded wants to take a walking tour of our area, the landscape, the mausoleum of industry still left here, speak to the men and women along with their children who saw the guts ripped out of this area and remember that this area is one of many, many more that suffered and suffer still. Even as a football fan, remember a woman who has allegedly, according to the media, part of the Hillsborough cover up www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hillsborough-cover-up-margaret-thatcher-1321049To honour her with a minutes silence at football matches would be crass and inappropriate at the very, very least. However, despite all this, the dancing on newspapers, effigy's, vile pictures on social media and the least tasteful of website proffering their sputum as jokes we should remember that this person has a family. A long line of innocent people who are attached by blood that whatever we all think (and my opinions very clear above) are devoid of all responsibility for her actions that will be mourning the loss of a mother, cousin, aunty etc. To talk of picketing a funeral from various bodies is again targeting innocents To see reported that there would almost definitely be widespread booing and jeering when trying to hold a silence at a football match for the remaining family can only compound their loss. I very rarely agree with the league governing bodies but on this occasion I have to say they have done the right thing. In my heart of hearts I would not want to observe the silence, but part of me says that we shouldnt punish the family left behind. As I say a very, very tricky subject and I have refrained from comment on any social media or forum on this subject until now What is truly disgusting is that Tory politicians are revelling in the ceremonial funeral she is receiving. They are glorying in her victory over anyone who had the courage to oppose her(see the Northern Echo). By giving her the same status as The Queen Mother and Princess Diana they are deliberately elevating her to the level of royalty. Cameron will bask in this as he has always claimed to be the 'son of Thatcher'. This is a cynical political ploy. 'The Evening Standard' has even claimed the presence of The Queen will act as a unifying force! What they really mean is that it will rubber stamp everything the damned woman did?! The family left behind? You mean her son who corruptly profited from the arms deal his own mother set up with Saudi Arabia! People forget how bent the surviving family is? Let them grieve in peace as all families do. I think it's fucking brilliant and totally agree with her getting a ceremonial funeral, and what's more I'm loving that it's winding up all the left wing, dole scrounging benefit dependent work shy fuck trolleys on here. I tell you what knobheads, go and smash another charity shop up, that will make you feel better. H
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Post by fegghayze on Apr 9, 2013 23:01:07 GMT
I know but that's kind of what I'm asking. The only thing people have been able to say is how heavy handed the police where at the time of the strikes as a tangible example but it's hard to say that was the implementation of political belief rather than a symptom of the times, not that it was right. I've heard and read the term 'class war' without an explanation, the Poll Tax is just Council Tax, I'm just bloody confused. The two things I dislike where her policies on immigration which is probably counter to most people's in the area and the whole Falklands thing and nobody else seems too fused about this. What are your views on her education policies? Which bit do you mean? the "rate capping" for schools, the slashing of grants to universities, the reduction in the number of teachers in schools and the closing of teacher training colleges or the 6000 university teachers "released."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 23:03:05 GMT
What are your views on her education policies? Which bit do you mean? the "rate capping" for schools, the slashing of grants to universities, the reduction in the number of teachers in schools and the closing of teacher training colleges or the 6000 university teachers "released." I was being a twat for a change, the "not being too fused" bit got to me! You're a fan I can see!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 9, 2013 23:04:35 GMT
Re Council Tax and Community charge being different because of the electoral role, I'd argue this is something they have in common. If I got a lodger but declared to the council that I lived on my own they wouldn't be entitled to vote?
The closure of these specialised hospitals sounds horrific and without a doubt the worst thing I've heard about her. Was there no plan to offer these services to private contracts and / or replace them with some kind of allowance?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 23:05:55 GMT
I'd honour a minutes silence as long as people didn't complain about my snoring.........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 23:06:33 GMT
I'd honour a minutes silence as long as people didn't complain about my snoring......... You need to be at the ground for that sort of shenanigan!
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 9, 2013 23:07:39 GMT
Bayern I'm' going to do some reading and I'll get back to you (I know you won't care and or be looking), this is kind of what I was asking for so thanks. If you want to get an idea of Thatcher have a look at Seasons in the Sun by Dominc Sandbrook which will give you an idea about the Britain that existed in the 70's that allowed Thatcherism to happen (and, by the way, continued in large part by Blair and Brown - which is sort of astonishing when you think about it).
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Post by fegghayze on Apr 9, 2013 23:08:20 GMT
Re Council Tax and Community charge being different because of the electoral role, I'd argue this is something they have in common. If I got a lodger but declared to the council that I lived on my own they wouldn't be entitled to vote? The closure of these specialised hospitals sounds horrific and without a doubt the worst thing I've heard about her. Was there no plan to offer these services to private contracts and / or replace them with some kind of allowance? Council Tax goes on banding of your house price. Community Charge went on the numbers of adults living in your property, hence the reason why people tried to avoid going on the electoral register and thus the affected people may not have voted as they were avoiding declaring themselves on the register
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 23:08:53 GMT
I'd honour a minutes silence as long as people didn't complain about my snoring......... You need to be at the ground for that sort of shenanigan! Mmmm.....Oh bugger it then , I won't bother...PULIS OUT..!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 23:11:16 GMT
You need to be at the ground for that sort of shenanigan! Mmmm.....Oh bugger it then , I won't bother...PULIS OUT..! I'm just glad them buggers can't win the title at our place or the roads around the Brit could have looked like a scene from Thatcher's Britain. Every other new clip is some group of people rioting or protesting over this, that or the other.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 9, 2013 23:11:29 GMT
How come people on here pass on their condolences to fellow Stoke fans who have lost a loved one who they don't know, but willing to celebrate the death of a Prime Minister of our country. Double standards or what. A death is a very sad time, no matter who it is. Hope they realise that, when a member of their family dies. Fellow stokies are somewhat different to the Uberbitch that was Thatcher A ridiculous idea, Coates wouldn't even entertain it.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 9, 2013 23:12:51 GMT
I can't imagine anyone in the world being stupid enough to try to implement a minute's silence for Margaret Thatcher in a British football ground.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 23:14:26 GMT
I can't imagine anyone in the world being stupid enough to try to implement a minute's silence for Margaret Thatcher in a British football ground. PotterLog meet Dave Whelan and John Madejeski etc The Reading one would be with Liverpool as the opponents, it would be hilarious!
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Post by generationex on Apr 9, 2013 23:17:24 GMT
Will Reading try and pass it off as a minutes Hillsborough silence though? Could be interesting!!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 9, 2013 23:18:42 GMT
What is truly disgusting is that Tory politicians are revelling in the ceremonial funeral she is receiving. They are glorying in her victory over anyone who had the courage to oppose her(see the Northern Echo). By giving her the same status as The Queen Mother and Princess Diana they are deliberately elevating her to the level of royalty. Cameron will bask in this as he has always claimed to be the 'son of Thatcher'. This is a cynical political ploy. 'The Evening Standard' has even claimed the presence of The Queen will act as a unifying force! What they really mean is that it will rubber stamp everything the damned woman did?! The family left behind? You mean her son who corruptly profited from the arms deal his own mother set up with Saudi Arabia! People forget how bent the surviving family is? Let them grieve in peace as all families do. I think it's fucking brilliant and totally agree with her getting a ceremonial funeral, and what's more I'm loving that it's winding up all the left wing, dole scrounging benefit dependent work shy fuck trolleys on here. I tell you what knobheads, go and smash another charity shop up, that will make you feel better. H "scrounging benefit dependent work shy fuck trolleys". Oh yes RAF, I'll tell you about these types! I worked in the MoD and saw an ex-servicean steal enough electronic goods to fill a Curry's shop! The same ex-serviceman travelled on Saturdays and Sundays to claim so much extra money even his 3 year vetting officer raised the issue because he considered it to be a security issue?! I have a relative who 25 years after leaving the service spends more time in the officer's mess on state subsidized jollies than the British taxpayer could possibly imagine! Even his mother-in-law is on the military gravy train! The worst "knobheads" I have ever come across wear a uniform just like yours!
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Post by fegghayze on Apr 9, 2013 23:19:16 GMT
Bayern I'm' going to do some reading and I'll get back to you (I know you won't care and or be looking), this is kind of what I was asking for so thanks. Last one for the night If I remember rightly she increased the bank rate, effectively making money dearer. Inflation immediately soared from 9% to 20%. Unemployment then began to rise. Privatization basically made the wealthy moreso From a quick Google The total effect of her privatization policy has been to produce a massive redistribution of wealth, regionally, from Scotland, Wales, and the North to South East England, and in monetary terms, from poor to rich.
The top 1% of income earners now pay, on average, £38,000 less income tax per year, while the average member of the lowest 50% of income earners pays £500 less.She basically made the rich richer and the poor penniless and jobless and the introduction of all the other policies mentioned previously ground the working classes into the dirt and destroyed towns, cities and communities that have never recovered since in a lot of cases
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 23:20:04 GMT
Will Reading try and pass it off as a minutes Hillsborough silence though? Could be interesting!! They could do actually, isn't it close to the anniversary?
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 9, 2013 23:21:02 GMT
I can't imagine anyone in the world being stupid enough to try to implement a minute's silence for Margaret Thatcher in a British football ground. PotterLog meet Dave Whelan and John Madejeski etc The Reading one would be with Liverpool as the opponents, it would be hilarious! I think they probably feel some childish need to be belligerent and forthright about their politics in the face of widespread public opinion. Like RAF on here. I don't think for a second anyone will entertain the idea of actually doing it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 23:22:36 GMT
PotterLog meet Dave Whelan and John Madejeski etc The Reading one would be with Liverpool as the opponents, it would be hilarious! I think they probably feel some childish need to be belligerent and forthright about their politics in the face of widespread public opinion. Like RAF on here. I don't think for a second anyone will entertain the idea of actually doing it. I hope they do, I need a laugh.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 9, 2013 23:24:31 GMT
Will Reading try and pass it off as a minutes Hillsborough silence though? Could be interesting!! They could do actually, isn't it close to the anniversary? Don't be daft, you can't "pass off" a minute's silence for one thing as a minute's silence for another thing...! What are they going to do, say it's for Hillsborough and then go "hahaha, had our fingers crossed! That was actually for Maggie!"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 23:26:57 GMT
They could do actually, isn't it close to the anniversary? Don't be daft, you can't "pass off" a minute's silence for one thing as a minute's silence for another thing...! What are they going to do, say it's for Hillsborough and then go "hahaha, had our fingers crossed! That was actually for Maggie!" They could have a joint one though at Reading so it won't be booed, making it look like a win for Thatcher. She'd love that!
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Post by RAF on Apr 9, 2013 23:28:29 GMT
I think it's fucking brilliant and totally agree with her getting a ceremonial funeral, and what's more I'm loving that it's winding up all the left wing, dole scrounging benefit dependent work shy fuck trolleys on here. I tell you what knobheads, go and smash another charity shop up, that will make you feel better. H :) "scrounging benefit dependent work shyfuck trolleys". Oh yes RAF, I'll tell you about these types! I worked in the MoD and saw an ex-servicean steal enough electronic goods to fill a Curry's shop! The same ex-serviceman travelled on Saturdays and Sundays to claim so much extra money even his 3 year vetting officer raised the issue because he considered it to be a security issue?! I have a relative who 25 years after leaving the service spends more time in the officer's mess on state subsidized jollies than the British taxpayer could possibly imagine! Even his mother-in-law is on the military gravy train! The worst "knobheads" I have ever come across wear a uniform just like yours! Perhaps you should have just reported him , that's what I would have done. Another gutless wonder with his bullshit stories. Fortunately people on here have been wise to you for a while now. Perhaps it's time for you to go and tug yourself off over the thought of shouting nasty things at the t.v for Mrs Thatchers funeral, or just have a little cry? H
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 9, 2013 23:29:53 GMT
Don't be daft, you can't "pass off" a minute's silence for one thing as a minute's silence for another thing...! What are they going to do, say it's for Hillsborough and then go "hahaha, had our fingers crossed! That was actually for Maggie!" They could have a joint one though at Reading so it won't be booed, making it look like a win for Thatcher. She'd love that! I think if they tried to pull a "joint silence" it would be booed even more forcefully by the Liverpool fans.
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Post by hoopty on Apr 9, 2013 23:31:20 GMT
This Thatcher thing is a bit like us v the Vale. Vitriol and knuckle draggers everywhere.
She was a thrice elected Prime Minister, the first female Prime Minister, and served her country as best she could. I understand some people profoundly disagreed with her policies, but more voted for them. Whatever your political views she has earned respect.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 9, 2013 23:34:24 GMT
This Thatcher thing is a bit like us v the Vale. Vitriol and knuckle draggers everywhere. She was a thrice elected Prime Minister, the first female Prime Minister, and served her country as best she could. I understand some people profoundly disagreed with her policies, but more voted for them. Whatever your political views she has earned respect.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 23:34:25 GMT
Isn't earning respect a personal thing? No politician has my respect, they're all cunts. Especially Bill Cash.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 9, 2013 23:35:29 GMT
Maybe the coffin should be shot en route to its furnace. It will be offering a similar level of threat as the Belgrano was but what's 300 odd wap lives when there's an election to be won and the Sun and Daily Mail desperate to get the bulldog in a union jack out?
Rot in hell war criminal.
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