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Post by landofhopeandglory on Mar 27, 2013 22:07:50 GMT
spot on jstoke7, ive been saying that since this post started
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 27, 2013 22:28:46 GMT
Moving the goal posts again, this was about youth, not particular player positions, anyway, hopefully it will be Shea as hes still young and looks to have a bit to learn. He's not youth though is he? He's twenty fucking three for crying out loud. H My apologies I thought he was 20
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Post by Binndy on Mar 28, 2013 7:45:53 GMT
considering he is in our 25 man squad,loves playing ,has ability, we need service to the front and goals then he should be playing saturday v Everton.
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Post by fca47 on Mar 28, 2013 8:32:48 GMT
He is 20.
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2013 10:35:04 GMT
My opinion of Flo is that he looks too small to be a succes in the Premier League. Unless of course he's as technical as say Cazorla or Silva. What a weird and strange comment to make. When he first joined he was very small, around 5ft 6-5ft 7, and he was very thin. In the first few months at Stoke he bulked up ALOT and ovbiosuly, being only just 17 he had growing to do. He's now 20, and he's taller than me whenever I've been to watch him and see him after. He's around 6ft now and he's not exactly thin anymore, he's stocked and muscular. He's taller than the average Premier League footballer and taller and heavier than Wilshere, Cleverly, Defoe, Osman and all the foriegn players like Silva, Mata, Cazorla. If you doubt his technical skills, watch some of his goals or even better go and watch him play and see his vision and skill on the ball. How is it weird? My point is that if you're small and not especially technical, then you need to gain advantage elsewhere, which could be height, strength, pace, etc. I'll admit I'm not clued up on Flo and didn't know that he was 6ft (he looks smaller) but in general the point I made is quite valid. If you had a choice between a non-skillful small weak non-physical player or a non-skillful tall strong physical player which would you prefer to have in your team? Obviously the more physical one. Anyway, that's it from me on this topic, I've strayed from the Flo debate and I can't be bothered arguing the pros and cons of small players or about how much Flo's grown over the past year.
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Post by stokieboypotter on Mar 28, 2013 10:58:33 GMT
What a weird and strange comment to make. When he first joined he was very small, around 5ft 6-5ft 7, and he was very thin. In the first few months at Stoke he bulked up ALOT and ovbiosuly, being only just 17 he had growing to do. He's now 20, and he's taller than me whenever I've been to watch him and see him after. He's around 6ft now and he's not exactly thin anymore, he's stocked and muscular. He's taller than the average Premier League footballer and taller and heavier than Wilshere, Cleverly, Defoe, Osman and all the foriegn players like Silva, Mata, Cazorla. If you doubt his technical skills, watch some of his goals or even better go and watch him play and see his vision and skill on the ball. How is it weird? My point is that if you're small and not especially technical, then you need to gain advantage elsewhere, which could be height, strength, pace, etc. I'll admit I'm not clued up on Flo and didn't know that he was 6ft (he looks smaller) but in general the point I made is quite valid. If you had a choice between a non-skillful small weak non-physical player or a non-skillful tall strong physical player which would you prefer to have in your team? Obviously the more physical one. Anyway, that's it from me on this topic, I've strayed from the Flo debate and I can't be bothered arguing the pros and cons of small players or about how much Flo's grown over the past year. I think unless you have actually seen him play, you cant comment on whether he is skillful or not. If only Pulis would give him a chance so we could all see his talent. I've been to watch him play at walsall and as others have said in this thread, he is a very creative, clever player with a lot of skill on the ball and great potential to play in the premier league.
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2013 11:37:27 GMT
How is it weird? My point is that if you're small and not especially technical, then you need to gain advantage elsewhere, which could be height, strength, pace, etc. I'll admit I'm not clued up on Flo and didn't know that he was 6ft (he looks smaller) but in general the point I made is quite valid. If you had a choice between a non-skillful small weak non-physical player or a non-skillful tall strong physical player which would you prefer to have in your team? Obviously the more physical one. Anyway, that's it from me on this topic, I've strayed from the Flo debate and I can't be bothered arguing the pros and cons of small players or about how much Flo's grown over the past year. I think unless you have actually seen him play, you cant comment on whether he is skillful or not. If only Pulis would give him a chance so we could all see his talent. I've been to watch him play at walsall and as others have said in this thread, he is a very creative, clever player with a lot of skill on the ball and great potential to play in the premier league. Fair enough. I'll take your word for it. I haven't seen anyone say that he's not good enough yet.
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Post by stokieboypotter on Mar 28, 2013 11:40:52 GMT
I think unless you have actually seen him play, you cant comment on whether he is skillful or not. If only Pulis would give him a chance so we could all see his talent. I've been to watch him play at walsall and as others have said in this thread, he is a very creative, clever player with a lot of skill on the ball and great potential to play in the premier league. Fair enough. I'll take your word for it. I haven't seen anyone say that he's not good enough yet. Will be interesting to see if he starts or comes on saturday against Cardiff. Think one of the next few games is televised too
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2013 11:43:49 GMT
On a side note, none of my Belgium mates have heard of him...yet.
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Post by jstoke7 on Mar 28, 2013 11:44:26 GMT
What a weird and strange comment to make. When he first joined he was very small, around 5ft 6-5ft 7, and he was very thin. In the first few months at Stoke he bulked up ALOT and ovbiosuly, being only just 17 he had growing to do. He's now 20, and he's taller than me whenever I've been to watch him and see him after. He's around 6ft now and he's not exactly thin anymore, he's stocked and muscular. He's taller than the average Premier League footballer and taller and heavier than Wilshere, Cleverly, Defoe, Osman and all the foriegn players like Silva, Mata, Cazorla. If you doubt his technical skills, watch some of his goals or even better go and watch him play and see his vision and skill on the ball. How is it weird? My point is that if you're small and not especially technical, then you need to gain advantage elsewhere, which could be height, strength, pace, etc. I'll admit I'm not clued up on Flo and didn't know that he was 6ft (he looks smaller) but in general the point I made is quite valid. If you had a choice between a non-skillful small weak non-physical player or a non-skillful tall strong physical player which would you prefer to have in your team? Obviously the more physical one. Anyway, that's it from me on this topic, I've strayed from the Flo debate and I can't be bothered arguing the pros and cons of small players or about how much Flo's grown over the past year. Hopefully Spain are starting to dispel this myth regarding small players and that they 'can't cope'. The sooner this country starts embracing talent rather than physicality is when we will start doing well again in international football. I know of so many players who have been disregarded for their size, yet they are technically 10x the player the big brute who got scouted is.
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2013 12:01:29 GMT
How is it weird? My point is that if you're small and not especially technical, then you need to gain advantage elsewhere, which could be height, strength, pace, etc. I'll admit I'm not clued up on Flo and didn't know that he was 6ft (he looks smaller) but in general the point I made is quite valid. If you had a choice between a non-skillful small weak non-physical player or a non-skillful tall strong physical player which would you prefer to have in your team? Obviously the more physical one. Anyway, that's it from me on this topic, I've strayed from the Flo debate and I can't be bothered arguing the pros and cons of small players or about how much Flo's grown over the past year. Hopefully Spain are starting to dispel this myth regarding small players and that they 'can't cope'. The sooner this country starts embracing talent rather than physicality is when we will start doing well again in international football. I know of so many players who have been disregarded for their size, yet they are technically 10x the player the big brute who got scouted is. I'm not sure if you're trying to counter a point in my post? Because I haven't disagreed with anything you've said? All the Spanish players are excellent technically.
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Post by landofhopeandglory on Mar 28, 2013 12:21:07 GMT
none of my work mates have heard of him, so
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2013 12:25:04 GMT
none of my work mates have heard of him, so Are your work mates Belgian?
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Post by jstoke7 on Mar 28, 2013 12:32:46 GMT
Hopefully Spain are starting to dispel this myth regarding small players and that they 'can't cope'. The sooner this country starts embracing talent rather than physicality is when we will start doing well again in international football. I know of so many players who have been disregarded for their size, yet they are technically 10x the player the big brute who got scouted is. I'm not sure if you're trying to counter a point in my post? Because I haven't disagreed with anything you've said? All the Spanish players are excellent technically. I started off on a different vein and then changed my post haha. All I'm saying is this preference of bigger players over smaller players is a load of bull shit IMO. All that matters IMO is ability and application. I get fed up of people saying players are too lightweight etc etc, ok they might get barged off the ball a few times (big deal...), but then they might also dance around a few players and create a goal...
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2013 12:35:47 GMT
I'm not sure if you're trying to counter a point in my post? Because I haven't disagreed with anything you've said? All the Spanish players are excellent technically. I started off on a different vein and then changed my post haha. All I'm saying is this preference of bigger players over smaller players is a load of bull shit IMO. All that matters IMO is ability and application. I get fed up of people saying players are too lightweight etc etc, ok they might get barged off the ball a few times (big deal...), but then they might also dance around a few players and create a goal... Yeah but if they're shit technically then that's what will happen to them But I agree that the technical quality of British players and particularly Stoke players needs to improve.
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Post by theteacher on Mar 28, 2013 13:07:46 GMT
Flo has been asked in which midfield position he would want to fill at Peterbrough - he was offered four different positions and has opted to play in the advanced midfield role, behind the two strikes.
Interesting to see how he does in the position, as it aint one we will see deployed under the capped one (two strikes and an attacking central midfielder).
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Post by jstoke7 on Mar 28, 2013 13:35:14 GMT
I started off on a different vein and then changed my post haha. All I'm saying is this preference of bigger players over smaller players is a load of bull shit IMO. All that matters IMO is ability and application. I get fed up of people saying players are too lightweight etc etc, ok they might get barged off the ball a few times (big deal...), but then they might also dance around a few players and create a goal... Yeah but if they're shit technically then that's what will happen to them But I agree that the technical quality of British players and particularly Stoke players needs to improve. And if they are big and also shit technically they may survive the barge, but then give it straight to the opposition
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2013 13:41:57 GMT
Yeah but if they're shit technically then that's what will happen to them But I agree that the technical quality of British players and particularly Stoke players needs to improve. And if they are big and also shit technically they may survive the barge, but then give it straight to the opposition Ah yes, and the small ones will likely win more free kicks as well. Very valid points indeed.
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Post by potterglen on Mar 28, 2013 21:04:37 GMT
Amazing. All of the moaning about the stereotypical 6th+ none footballers Poolis buys a!nd you're all suggesting Cuvelier is too small! Paul Scholes - 5ft 7 Ryan Giggs - 5ft 10 David Silva - 5ft 7 Mikel Arteta - 5ft 9 to name a few under 6ft and doing/have survived in the EPL.
Give the lad 25 minutes at the end of the remaining home games instead of the clueless Dunderhead and see how he gets on.
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Post by jstoke7 on Mar 28, 2013 21:06:26 GMT
Amazing. All of the moaning about the stereotypical 6th+ none footballers Poolis buys a!nd you're all suggesting Cuvelier is too small! Paul Scholes - 5ft 7 Ryan Giggs - 5ft 10 David Silva - 5ft 7 Mikel Arteta - 5ft 9 to name a few under 6ft and doing/have survived in the EPL. Give the lad 25 minutes at the end of the remaining home games instead of the clueless Dunderhead and see how he gets on. Agree 100%. Unfortunately it seems people have almost become indoctrinated by Pulis' ways and think anyone under 5'11 is too 'lightweight'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 21:11:10 GMT
Just to add a bit more weight to this, I'm 6'3" and the biggest pansy you could hope to meet.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 29, 2013 9:29:39 GMT
Well Higgy thinks he would be good enough. Sounds like he was a bit of a mentor to him. However it does not sound good re his insight on youth development. ALso goes againt the grain re the capped one wanting to keep sending players out on loan
"Stoke is a tough place for any youngster to come through. It's not a club that has produced too many Academy players for its first team. Flo needs to decide whether being at Stoke next season will help him or hinder him. That's not being disrespectful to Stoke, it's just how it is. I had many chats with Flo and gave my opinions, but when you get to 21 you really want to get bedded in somewhere and not be going out on loan here and there."
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Post by scoutmaster on Mar 29, 2013 9:34:33 GMT
BEEN WATCHING THIS YOUNG LAD PLAY FOR MORE THAN 2 YEARS NOW AND FIRMLY BELIEVE IF NOT FOR HIS RECENT INJURY HE WOULD NOW BE ASSISTING STOKE TO FINISH TOP 10 AND REACH THEIR GOAL OF 40 PLUS POINTS! WOULD OF PREFERED TO SEE HIM STAY AT STOKE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON WITH SOME OCCASIONAL FIRST TEAM APPEARANCES IN PREPARATION FOR PREMIERSHIP FOOTBALL NEXT SEASON! TO PROGRESS AND REALLY REACH HIS FULL POTENTIAL HE NEEDS TO BE PLAYING REGULAR GAMES AGAINST AND WITH PLAYERS ABOVE HIS LEVEL AND HE WONT GET THAT IN THE LOWER LEAGUES! THIS LAD IS A GREAT ASSET AND IF HIS CURRENT MANAGER HAS NO PLACE FOR HIM IN HIS TEAM THEN HE WILL SOON BE SNAPPED UP BY OTHER PREMIERSHIP CLUBS, JUST HOPE THIS LATEST UNNECESSARY MOVE DOESNT BACKFIRE IN ANYWAY!!!
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Post by stokieboypotter on Mar 29, 2013 9:35:45 GMT
Amazing. All of the moaning about the stereotypical 6th+ none footballers Poolis buys a!nd you're all suggesting Cuvelier is too small! Paul Scholes - 5ft 7 Ryan Giggs - 5ft 10 David Silva - 5ft 7 Mikel Arteta - 5ft 9 to name a few under 6ft and doing/have survived in the EPL. Give the lad 25 minutes at the end of the remaining home games instead of the clueless Dunderhead and see how he gets on. Agreed!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 29, 2013 9:40:49 GMT
Sounds too late Higgy is laying it out as it is
Stoke is a tough place for any youngster to come through. It's not a club that has produced too many Academy players for its first team. Flo needs to decide whether being at Stoke next season will help him or hinder him. That's not being disrespectful to Stoke, it's just how it is. I had many chats with Flo and gave my opinions, but when you get to 21 you really want to get bedded in somewhere and not be going out on loan here and there.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 29, 2013 9:42:07 GMT
Where there is shouting, there is no true knowledge. Leonardo da Vinci
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Mar 29, 2013 9:45:13 GMT
How long before this beaut turns into a Pulis bashin thread?
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Post by fca47 on Mar 29, 2013 9:48:04 GMT
Higgys comments do seem like a veiled criticism of TP though.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 29, 2013 9:51:29 GMT
Personally I think it's a fucking shit move for him. People have been talking on here about him featuring with us in the Prem next year, and we send him to a struggling Championship side? He needs to be at a team that aren't backs to the wall.If we see Cuvelier play for us in the Prem regularly in the next two years I'l eat my own scrotal sack, by which time he will be 22. H That's how we play 80% of the time. It will be perfect for him.
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Post by whereami on Mar 29, 2013 9:52:10 GMT
Where there is shouting, there is no true knowledge. Leonardo da Vinci Doesnt say much for Pulis' matchday instructions does it?
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