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Post by tel2u on Mar 3, 2004 19:20:21 GMT
Based on last nights performance where he definately looked more assured, no 'dummy throwing' and getting at his team mates and I also saw him actually encourage the other players during the game, so maybe he's slowly maturing into the role of Captain and certainly his performances of late have generally been very good indeed.
I still think that Doringo coming to club set Clive back at least two seasons of progress.
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Post by Pricey on Mar 3, 2004 19:27:04 GMT
My thoughts entirely Tel.
Well....I say entirely.....how can Dorigo being here for 1 season have put him back 2 seasons?
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Post by zommbee on Mar 3, 2004 19:47:17 GMT
I don't think he's doing a great deal more than before as a Captain. It's hard to judge what kind of a charachter Clarkey is when watching from the sidelines because he's always waving at Ref's and blaming other players for mistakes! Is he motivating players during games? TP has chosen Clarkey for a reason and so far we can't complain.
As far as Clive's football ability, he looks quite effective in a midfield role, on the left or inside as last night, but I've got misgivings about him at left back, he often get's caught out of position. I think he prefers going forward and playing in midfield personally.
I agree that missing a season more of Second Division football set his career back, with hindsight, as Dingo was so poor Clarke should've played a lot more.
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Post by RobPa on Mar 3, 2004 19:49:06 GMT
i quite like clarke, im glad his long passes or going towards players more often.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 3, 2004 19:54:35 GMT
Its quiet weird hearing this,it wasn't all that long ago when Clarke and Thomas were the scapegoats for everything that went wrong but Tommo has won over the fans this season and now it seems Clarkey is doing the same.
Personally,i think Clarke is an excellent player and he does seem to be growing into the captains role more and more.
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Post by tel2u on Mar 3, 2004 21:53:39 GMT
Pricey
I reckon it put Clarkey back two seasons because he virtually lost a full season when Gudjon signed Dorigo then the following season Clive was trying to catch up on the experience that he'd been denied so effectively he had gone two seasons without the chance of improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2004 22:27:44 GMT
Not too sure if it set Clarkey back Tel. Clarke still played 23 games that season.
His rookie year (1999/00) hadn't really convinced me if he was a player who would make it or not, especially how Scott Murray turned him inside out at Wembley (that's the type of player we'd need him to do well against if we were to be aiming higher) That summer I felt he could go either way.
Dorigo was a useful make-weight at the time, and imo can't be blamed for Clarke's lack of progress. Without him Clarke would have been the only left back in the squad that season (there was simply no one else throughout the season after we'd released Bryan Small and Siggy Gislason)
After what Bjarni had gone through playing right wing with no other options to come in for him the last thing I'd have wanted was Clarke to start the season and be burnt out if he didn't make it, but never get dropped when he needed a rest through us having no one else who could play there in the squad. Luckily he did make it and started winning people over at the time of the Nuneaton game. Then the year we went up and Gudjon played 442 Clarke was one of the most accomplished players in the team, won a few player of the seasons didn't he too?)
As for captains material, I've personally never read much into it, much rather have several 'captains' out there with the intuition to lead each other, rather than focusing on just the one man. (imagine Crossley-Taggart-Eustace-Akinbiyi running down the middle of the team barking out the orders ;D )
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 3, 2004 22:34:15 GMT
I think Clarkey got the captaincy as he was the senior pro at the club. His play has improved (greatly) since Christmas but he still isn't my idea of Captain.
Taggart for me with Eustace waiting in the wings. A few years down the line, Halls looks to be the right stuff.
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Post by tel2u on Mar 3, 2004 22:41:08 GMT
Gareth I don't check the stats when I post a message  So I can claim the fifth ammendment or old age whichever would be appropiate.  I was just saying what I felt about the situation at the time, and still feel. I'm surprised Clarkey made them many full game appearances though, I seem to remember quite a lot of appearances for the last 15 minutes or so when Dorigo wanted a rest. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 3, 2004 22:50:49 GMT
Don't get me started on that twat Dorigo. It's a bloody good job I have to go to bed.
SuperClive CaptainMarvel is a natural leader of men. Many a time I've seen him leading the way to the bar.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2004 22:54:32 GMT
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 3, 2004 22:57:11 GMT
11 as sub because Dorigo was playing so wank, no doubt.
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Post by haj23scfc on Mar 3, 2004 23:51:50 GMT
I personally think Clarke is wank and he doesnt add anything to the team. This won't be popular but hey shoot me! In left back he can he very dodgy defensively and he made some odd passes last night in centre midfield and he hoofs it without looking where its going far too much for my liking. Much prefer Hall at LB and Eustace/Taggart/Hill as captain for me!
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Post by Hooky on Mar 4, 2004 5:52:45 GMT
185 first team starts 21 subs apps
13 games to go....
just think our 2nd game next season could be his 200th start for the club..... not bad for someone some people don't even rate ;D
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2004 7:41:00 GMT
If we reach the playoffs then the final could be his 201st! ;D
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Post by Hooky on Mar 4, 2004 8:12:39 GMT
as soon as I saw there was a reply I Knew some one would be saying that ;D
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2004 8:15:36 GMT
Gotta keep the dream alive for as long as poss, Dave! |
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Post by Hooky on Mar 4, 2004 8:19:42 GMT
The Dream is alive still, and so is my nightmare scenario Play-off Final Wigan-v-Stoke........  I'm coming to the conclusion if this happens, we (kathryn & I) should go away for the weekend of the game to somewhere with out any modern forms of communication, switch off mobiles, and just get very pissed all weekend, cos when we get home one of us will be very upset, and the other will be upset & guilty and not able to enjoy it properly..... |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 4, 2004 8:22:28 GMT
the other will be upset & guilty and not able to enjoy it properly.....
Dave, if we got promoted, you'd enjoy it. And if you didn't enjoy it you'd get no sympathy from me mate!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2004 8:24:48 GMT
Dave, take it from me, if we beat Wigan in the final you will obviously take time ( a few seconds) to console Kathryn......
Then you will enjoy the biggest mental of your life! "Not enjoy it properly" ? - You'll be walking on air for days, mate. ;D
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2004 8:25:43 GMT
Joe, are you me? We seem to be sharing the same thoughts today. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 4, 2004 8:27:06 GMT
Yes PP. Do you want to rent a cottage mate?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2004 8:28:27 GMT
;D
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2004 8:31:28 GMT
I think we should press Dave further on this one.
Are you saying that if Wigan get to the final and our match goes into extra time (as it did at Ninian Park) that you will be praying for us to lose so your nightmare of a Stoke - Wigan final does not come true? ;D
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Post by Hooky on Mar 4, 2004 8:32:57 GMT
John Strange as this may sound, I would want to, but wouldn't be able to enjoy it not whilst my other half was so upset.........we've been through the pisstaking after a win route, and well it didn't go well.......and culminated after the 6-1 game..........no more, can't enjoy wins against them anymore, and I hope she feels the same, at least on the outside
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Post by Hooky on Mar 4, 2004 8:36:02 GMT
when Wigan got to the Play-off final against Gillingham I point blank refused to go, as I felt we had been cheated out of our place in the final.........I sat on the industrial estate all game in the car .... not with commentry on...in hindsight it was better that only one of us got to the final.....she was upset enough about being robbed by gillingham
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2004 8:36:16 GMT
That 6-1 still hurts Dave. That's why all true Stokies want to stuff them in a final!  Wigan or Cardiff would be my preferred choice of Cardiff opponents - mind you I wouldn't mind beating SheffU just to see the look of anguish on Warnock's face. ;D |
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Post by Hooky on Mar 4, 2004 8:37:43 GMT
Mine would be WBA .... The baggies ... lets have em Norwich & Wigan up Auto and either the baggies or West Sham in the final |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 4, 2004 8:49:26 GMT
I have a feeling that Sunderland will be there at the death given their amazing home record and games in hand.
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Post by slangking on Mar 4, 2004 9:06:21 GMT
The thought of Wigan in the premiership turns my stomach over, is this what football has come to?Some wanker buying his way there, what a farce.
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