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Post by OldStokie on Jan 20, 2013 0:34:33 GMT
You're probably right, Mick, given that we now have the platform to build on. If Boskamp could finish mid-table with what he was left with and him never having managed in the English leagues, then it shouldn't be too difficult for a half-decent manager to keep us mid-table playing attractive football rather than (mostly) the turgid dross Pulis turns out. OS. Boskamp - shudder. ;D I wonder where we would be if he was still manager? Give him a £100,000,000 and he'd probably have us in the top four now.  I wonder where we'd be if Ameobi and Griffin hadn't got injured when they did. Pulis was in one his blind spot modes when it was plain to all and sundry why we were going backwards. When they both got injured, he was forced to make changes, and wa-la, we went on to gain automatic promotion. It's what he does. The reason we've just had a good spell over Xmas was because Crouch and Adam were injured and he was forced to make changes. Surely, even you can see that he's mad.  OS. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 0:34:39 GMT
Your whole argument, March, is based on the thesis that nobody else but Pulis could make a fist of the job here. Don't you find that a little silly? Not every team does a 'Charlton' when they appoint new managers. OS. Let's watch Soton for the next 6 months then and we will all know the answer once and for all. ;D Even I'm not falling for that piece of March windupery. |
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 20, 2013 0:35:39 GMT
I don't want to rejoice at the money the owner is making. I'd rather watch exciting football. You mean the man who is supplementing the Sky money with £1M per month out of his own pocket every single month since he bought the club from the Icelanders. Rejoice that we have a club with such a sensible owner, talented manager and appropriate plan that will keep our club at the top level for decades. Where the fuck did you get that figure from? You make things up as you go along and report them as fact!! |
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Post by march4 on Jan 20, 2013 0:38:51 GMT
You mean the man who is supplementing the Sky money with £1M per month out of his own pocket every single month since he bought the club from the Icelanders. Rejoice that we have a club with such a sensible owner, talented manager and appropriate plan that will keep our club at the top level for decades. Where the fuck did you get that figure from? You make things up as you go along and report them as fact!! Look at the club's balance sheets. The amount provided by PC averages £1M per month. Much has been spent on infrastructure, but without PC this would have been TV money. And as far as I'm aware, he is still giving money at the same rate - the next set of accounts will reveal all. |
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Post by fan4life on Jan 20, 2013 7:01:05 GMT
yes
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 20, 2013 7:24:17 GMT
no - obviously there will be a post Pulis era, and the longer he stays, the stronger we will be when it comes
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Post by s7oke on Jan 20, 2013 8:04:18 GMT
No
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Post by kavinoz on Jan 20, 2013 8:54:35 GMT
No
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Post by copey1019 on Jan 20, 2013 8:57:16 GMT
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 20, 2013 9:02:35 GMT
I wouldn't have minded if he'd gone last summer.
And I certainly won't mind if he goes this summer.
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Post by mattemoo69 on Jan 20, 2013 9:05:23 GMT
Press one for "Yes" and certain relegation
Press two for "No" and finishing middle table in the premier league for the unforeseen future, occasionally having a good cup run and always playing dogshit football away from home.
That's the truth deal with it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 9:14:55 GMT
someone said its another shallow thread, but its a valid question
I'll say no because I do like us being in the Prem and we could very easily lose our status and be in the lower leagues again if hes sacked
and I like Tonys passion for us, hes not a Brian Little type shit who had none of that
but the football is generally horrible at the moment, and the least exciting since Tony has been in charge
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 20, 2013 9:16:11 GMT
I quite like being the horrible Quasimodo of the football world - the slightly embarrassing cousin figure.
Or at least I've grown to accept it and see a certain charm in being humorously and not so humorously reviled all over the world - from New York to New Delhi.
And knowing we've always got the ability to bloody the noses of all but the biggest clubs at home is great.
We almost never get tonked at the Brit and are in 99% of home games 'til the final whistle - although most of the games are a bit of a pedestrian yawn.
But he's been making the same, elementary mistakes for years, has seemingly no idea whatsoever regarding which are the real keys to his team's success, beyond his overkill on defensive shape training, and 50% of games are a write-off as he tries to kill every single away game and turn it into, at best, a shockingly unwatchable dirge- to the point where now even finding a stream to watch them seems pointless. Anyone who still goes away from home does deserve something far better than a campaign medal.
And trying to play counter-attacking football with no pace or trickery is a new, unfathomable trick he's developed over the last 18 months.
I think it's just about too high a price to pay when the alternative is clearly not automatic relegation.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 20, 2013 9:24:21 GMT
Press one for "Yes" and certain relegation Press two for "No" and finishing middle table in the premier league for the unforeseen future, occasionally having a good cup run and always playing dogshit football away from home. That's the truth deal with it Please let me have next weeks lottery numbers as you can obviously see into the future. Certain relegation if Coates loses his mind again and appoints from within like he did with Bates. Stoke are in a good position to attract a top class manager. |
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Post by alster on Jan 20, 2013 9:36:06 GMT
I say the same thing every season. Leave him be until the end of the season then thank him for his undoubted achievements and get rid. He will always be a divisive figure who turns the game into something to be endured rather than enjoyed, he will not change.
I'd like to see a fresh face with a more positive approach to the game. Don't need them to try to play carpet football, just start every game with intent to attack the opposition and try to win the game. I just hate the sterile crap he churns out.
Like someone else posted earlier under Macari in the third tier there was a buzz about the place in the build up and aftermath of every game. We wern't Barcelona by any stretch of the imagination but we played with intent and thats what I miss.
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Post by yorper1 on Jan 20, 2013 9:40:53 GMT
yes.i think he has achieved his goal of staying in premier.but has problems working with talented footballers and trying to.get them to play his negative sometimes frustrating football.what the hell is 4 5 1 all bout.get two upfront with two decent wingers and a midfield that doesnt look like they r scared to pass.and ryan stop pumping them long balls up.as its obvious that crouch can win balls but who does he flick it on too.exactly no one.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 9:42:37 GMT
Press one for "Yes" and certain relegation Press two for "No" and finishing middle table in the premier league for the unforeseen future, occasionally having a good cup run and always playing dogshit football away from home. That's the truth deal with it I don't want Tone to go but I don't get this argument at all. If he's doing as good a job as you suggest and after having spent a fucking gargantuan amount of money, surely any decent manager worth their salt would keep us up as well? Like I say, I don't want to see him replaced yet but it's certainly not even close to a given that he is the only one to save us. He's not fucking Flash Gordon!! |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jan 20, 2013 9:43:42 GMT
"Look at the club's balance sheets"
Infinitely more enjoyable than watching the team play
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 20, 2013 9:44:21 GMT
"Look at the club's balance sheets" Infinitely more enjoyable than watching the team play Are we turning into Arsenal fans?!?!?!? |
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Post by harryh157 on Jan 20, 2013 9:55:28 GMT
No, I'd just like to start seeing the point of attending the away games again. I could understand in the first couple of seasons when every point was crucial to try to kill the game and sneak a draw but this season home form alone should be sufficient to keep us up. Why not go and try to win some games away; what's the worst that could happen?
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Post by biganddaft on Jan 20, 2013 10:01:13 GMT
Yes.
The players are starting to look as mystified by his team set-up, as the fans are.
If he loses the players confidence in him, we are fucked !
See Adam's facial expression when subbed yesterday. He knows he's shit in the position he's asked to play in. No pace, needs time on the ball, so let's play him behind the slowest front man in the prem!!! Joke!
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 20, 2013 10:14:26 GMT
Anyone keeping count? Should have done a proper poll so we could see the results.
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Post by Davef on Jan 20, 2013 10:23:03 GMT
If you're of the opinion that Tony Pulis's departure would mean certain relegation, then I'm afraid that you simply can't have a high opinion of the job the man's done or the ability of the Coates family - one of the wealthiest in the country - to make the right appointment and maintain their commitment to Stoke City.
If, after five or six years managing this club, TP's departure means that everything would collapse then it simply means that he would have left absolutely no legacy.
There are plenty of examples of clubs who have appointed a new manager after a successful one has departed and have carried on regardless. Yesterday's opponents being one.
If any of these people predicting the end of the club if and when Tony Pulis departs would like to give me a reason why, I'd love to hear it.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jan 20, 2013 10:26:15 GMT
If you're of the opinion that Tony Pulis's departure would mean certain relegation, then I'm afraid that you simply can't have a high opinion of the job the man's done or the ability of the Coates family - one of the wealthiest in the country - to make the right appointment and maintain their commitment to Stoke City. If, after five or six years managing this club, TP's departure means that everything would collapse then it simply means that he would have left absolutely no legacy. There are plenty of examples of clubs who have appointed a new manager after a successful one has departed and have carried on regardless. Yesterday's opponents being one. If any of these people predicting the end of the club if and when Tony Pulis departs would like to give me a reason why, I'd love to hear it. Herein lies the problem for me. I could quite easily see Coates, making an appointment like Gary Megson or someone along those lines and we'd just keeping bumping along with the same kind of shite just a different man spouting/producing it. |
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Post by letsplay4adraw on Jan 20, 2013 10:34:03 GMT
Yes
1. Does anyone really understand what system TP is trying to play? 2 stand-in fullbacks, Adam is being played out of position and Jones in his best form for ages on the bench
2. It was clear on Tuesday night when TP sent the subs on there was total confusion. Players kept looking to the bench to try and work out where they should be. What do they do all week in training. Aren't formations and changes to formations worked out and understood by the players. If not WHY NOT!!
3. Our performances away from home have been embarrassing. At best "Lets play 4 a draw" and if that's not on then lets keep the goals against to as low as possible.
4. Tactically TP has been out thought by many managers. The Stoke team is fairly predictable (apart from Jones yesterday), the formation is always predictable and the tactics rarely change.
5. Most important....I want to come away from the Brit having enjoyed the game and won. How many times have we been able to do that this season?Apart from Liverpool game (and what happen then?) our other home wins have hardly been inspiring. I personally enjoyed the fight back against Southampton and the great effort in extra time against Crystal Palace than 1-0 against QPR and Fulham.
6. Don't keep looking back as past records to justify not changing. Many on here would have Fuller back, re-instate Delap, Diao and Sidibe as the way forward. It isn't. The brave make changes before it's too late. Now's the time
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Post by boothenendboy on Jan 20, 2013 10:35:12 GMT
yes yes yes yes yes yes cluless useless arrogant welsh clown
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 20, 2013 10:35:23 GMT
If you're of the opinion that Tony Pulis's departure would mean certain relegation, then I'm afraid that you simply can't have a high opinion of the job the man's done or the ability of the Coates family - one of the wealthiest in the country - to make the right appointment and maintain their commitment to Stoke City. If, after five or six years managing this club, TP's departure means that everything would collapse then it simply means that he would have left absolutely no legacy. There are plenty of examples of clubs who have appointed a new manager after a successful one has departed and have carried on regardless. Yesterday's opponents being one. If any of these people predicting the end of the club if and when Tony Pulis departs would like to give me a reason why, I'd love to hear it. Herein lies the problem for me. I could quite easily see Coates, making an appointment like Gary Megson or someone along those lines and we'd just keeping bumping along with the same kind of shite just a different man spouting/producing it. It's a good point - you'd think he'd be very conservative if he ever had to replace Pulis. Although he admitted he wanted Redknapp in the 80s, and he was bit of a young, dynamic cockney wheeler dealer even then? And Macari wasn't really an uber-conservative choice. But hopefully most of the dinosaur generation will be unemployable when the time comes. Surely Megson would be an unpalatable choice, for example? Mind you, so was Tone in 2005 - and he brazened it out. I am struggling to come up with a name. I would've had serious look at Holloway, Lambert and Hughton this time last year. Not sure we could've even attracted Lambert, though. A year on, their records have been mixed. As of today, I really don't know where I'd look. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 20, 2013 10:38:57 GMT
Well, I have slept on this one as I was livid yesterday, so not best placed to make a considered judgement.
It is undoubted that he puts his heart and soul in to it and the Villa evening, when he lost his mum, will live long in the memory, as will the FA Cup, the promotion season and winning away at Hull to seal our 2nd season. Of course there are many more games and the purple period
However, the football is now dire to watch. Not just away either. That I find hard to understand, or indeed excuse given the money and players he now has.
I am also a little lost re the direction of the club. To the thanks of Mr Coates, we now have great foundation facilities and are adding further. Some of that has to go to the capped one, keeping us in the Premiership. But then his refusal to promote youth and his 'survival at all costs' tactics leave me wondering how we will evolve (when the rest of football is) and thus how we will attract quality players of the future.
Even our academy teams in the main just hoof it up. At some point the Coates money will well and truly dry up and what will we be left with? Of course football players want as much money as possible, but lets not lose sight most also want to play in a stylish team.
I am concerned that if it continues, the capped one will suffer a Waddo style ending. No matter how much he frustrates me, he does not deserve that, as Waddo didn't.
I do not buy in to this theory of if he left, we would be relegated nonesense either. However, unlike some, I dont get the 'staying in the Prem is the be all and end all, no matter how' arguement. We can easily do what we are now, points wise, but with a bit more flair.
I want to get up in the morning and look forward to match day, with my team giving it a right good go. Except for the refreshing Liverpool game, not once has this happend this season and similar last season. I can not see that changing under the capped one, so would be happy if the club took a new direction.
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Post by apb1 on Jan 20, 2013 11:54:49 GMT
No
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Jan 20, 2013 11:58:13 GMT
No - the way we apply ourselves away from home however needs to change if we want to push forwards
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I wonder where we'd be if Ameobi and Griffin hadn't got injured when they did. Pulis was in one his blind spot modes when it was plain to all and sundry why we were going backwards. When they both got injured, he was forced to make changes, and wa-la, we went on to gain automatic promotion. It's what he does. The reason we've just had a good spell over Xmas was because Crouch and Adam were injured and he was forced to make changes. Surely, even you can see that he's mad. 
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