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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:19:54 GMT
Post by Beardy200 on Jan 13, 2013 22:19:54 GMT
It's a tricky one. He is the best winger we have (when he wants to be) but whether we like it or not you need to earn your place in a TP team and the number one prerequisite is hard work and discipline. The more often he thinks he is better than that the less chance he'll get to play no matter how good he is. Letting players get away with not working can spread like a virus if you're not careful and when we have built our success on it, i can understand TP not risking it. It will always come down to how badly Pennant wants it or whether he is happy to just pick up his money with the least amount of effort. Yep I suspect you're right. I'd be amazed if we saw him play for us again. Genuinly amazed. Will be interesting to see the squad v Palace though. If TP is going to give him a game then this will be it. As he's ineligible i hope not
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:27:01 GMT
Post by Olgrligm on Jan 13, 2013 22:27:01 GMT
He'll be eligible for the cup game, won't he?
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:27:54 GMT
Post by Beardy200 on Jan 13, 2013 22:27:54 GMT
He'll be eligible for the cup game, won't he? As he wasn't here for the first game i didn't think he could play in the replay?
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:30:56 GMT
Post by Olgrligm on Jan 13, 2013 22:30:56 GMT
You might have a point there. I forgot about that.
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:39:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 22:39:40 GMT
I know I'm in the minority but I really believe that Adam would be a better partner for Nzonzi than Whelan. You are in the minority for a reason , because you are wrong , Adam can't tackle, never could, and on this seasons showing can't seem to do much at all really . I thought he would have been very useful in dead ball situations , but his delivery has been woeful. As opposed to the tough tackling,brilliant set pieces of Glenn Whelan? Pisses me off that people are slagging Adam off when he is being played in a position that is totally alien to him. Stick Glenn Whelan in the withdrawn striker role and see how effective he is.
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:45:53 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2013 22:45:53 GMT
Pennant hasn't been on form for some time though, and Whelan is having his best season with us so far. He hasnt been on form for some time because he hasnt played in a long time. Hes played once for us since about April mate. Hasnt had a prolonged run in the side since the incident. He played enough for Wolves and showed nothing (apparently).
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:47:57 GMT
Post by jbstokie on Jan 13, 2013 22:47:57 GMT
You are in the minority for a reason , because you are wrong , Adam can't tackle, never could, and on this seasons showing can't seem to do much at all really . I thought he would have been very useful in dead ball situations , but his delivery has been woeful. As opposed to the tough tackling,brilliant set pieces of Glenn Whelan? Pisses me off that people are slagging Adam off when he is being played in a position that is totally alien to him. Stick Glenn Whelan in the withdrawn striker role and see how effective he is. Charlie Adam has conceded 38 fouls in an advanced position, Whelan has conceded 19 fouls in a defensive position and has started 4 more games and is rarely taken off. Whelan has 3 assists to Adam's 0. Whelan also has a much better pass success rate.
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:50:00 GMT
Post by roylandstoke on Jan 13, 2013 22:50:00 GMT
You are in the minority for a reason , because you are wrong , Adam can't tackle, never could, and on this seasons showing can't seem to do much at all really . I thought he would have been very useful in dead ball situations , but his delivery has been woeful. As opposed to the tough tackling,brilliant set pieces of Glenn Whelan? Pisses me off that people are slagging Adam off when he is being played in a position that is totally alien to him. Stick Glenn Whelan in the withdrawn striker role and see how effective he is. If Whelan is totally ineffective and the equivalent of playing with 10 then we'll know he's as good as Charlie Adam in that position. We could try him on the wing as well, where the same criteria for his performances would apply. Do you really see Charlie Adam playing as well as Whelan ( or Whitehead or Rory for that matter) in TP's "cage"?
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:54:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 22:54:41 GMT
As opposed to the tough tackling,brilliant set pieces of Glenn Whelan? Pisses me off that people are slagging Adam off when he is being played in a position that is totally alien to him. Stick Glenn Whelan in the withdrawn striker role and see how effective he is. Charlie Adam has conceded 38 fouls in an advanced position, Whelan has conceded 19 fouls in a defensive position and has started 4 more games and is rarely taken off. Whelan has 3 assists to Adam's 0. Whelan also has a much better pass success rate. Those stats might mean something if Adam had actually started any games in the middle of the park. None of you have seen Adam play in the centre of midfield for us,so why so quick to write him off? I could understand if Whelan was some undroppable world beater,but he isn't and I really don't see how Adam can't do as good a job in there and also keep and use the ball better. Our manager is never going to play him there though so I guess I'll never find out if I'm right or not. If this is the case then it's another 4 million quid spunked up the wall by the so called best manager we've ever had
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 22:57:49 GMT
Post by jbstokie on Jan 13, 2013 22:57:49 GMT
Charlie Adam has conceded 38 fouls in an advanced position, Whelan has conceded 19 fouls in a defensive position and has started 4 more games and is rarely taken off. Whelan has 3 assists to Adam's 0. Whelan also has a much better pass success rate. Those stats might mean something if Adam had actually started any games in the middle of the park. None of you have seen Adam play in the centre of midfield for us,so why so quick to write him off? I could understand if Whelan was some undroppable world beater,but he isn't and I really don't see how Adam can't do as good a job in there and also keep and use the ball better. Our manager is never going to play him there though so I guess I'll never find out if I'm right or not. If this is the case then it's another 4 million quid spunked up the wall by the so called best manager we've ever had Adam can't defend to save his life. Money wasted.
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Whelan
Jan 13, 2013 23:00:33 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2013 23:00:33 GMT
Charlie Adam has conceded 38 fouls in an advanced position, Whelan has conceded 19 fouls in a defensive position and has started 4 more games and is rarely taken off. Whelan has 3 assists to Adam's 0. Whelan also has a much better pass success rate. Those stats might mean something if Adam had actually started any games in the middle of the park. None of you have seen Adam play in the centre of midfield for us,so why so quick to write him off? I could understand if Whelan was some undroppable world beater,but he isn't and I really don't see how Adam can't do as good a job in there and also keep and use the ball better. Our manager is never going to play him there though so I guess I'll never find out if I'm right or not. If this is the case then it's another 4 million quid spunked up the wall by the so called best manager we've ever had Exactly. Its hardly as though Whelan is brilliant in the tackle either. Besides the cage isnt all about tackling. Its positioning as much as anything. He might be a revelation in the role, he might be a disaster...we wont know until we've seen it.
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Whelan
Jan 14, 2013 8:23:03 GMT
Post by jarvinski on Jan 14, 2013 8:23:03 GMT
Hows the guide dog boskamp
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Post by stokeramblers on Jan 14, 2013 8:28:14 GMT
You can't compare Charlie's tackling to Whelans. Adam cannot tackle at all, he looks like he's going to get booked whenever he goes near someone. He's hopeless, he makes Scholes look like a competent tackler. You can pretend all you like but he can't tackle for shit.
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Whelan
Jan 14, 2013 8:45:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 8:45:21 GMT
62 tackles, 58 fouls last season for Charlie 'discipline' Adam...
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Whelan
Jan 14, 2013 9:07:33 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 14, 2013 9:07:33 GMT
Charlie Adam is rubbish. I am struggling to see how anyone can fail to see this.
Given the esteem with which he was held on the back of his season with Blackpool I would describe him as "not what it says on the tin".
However, many would say that he is "exactly what it says on the tin" in that he is a luxury player that we can't afford in our team and a hollywood player who in truth, doesn't do an awful lot.
Not for me Adam. Play him in a traditional midfield role or not at all. If we did, I don't think people would be clamouring for him to be involved for too much longer.
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Whelan
Jan 14, 2013 9:32:52 GMT
Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 14, 2013 9:32:52 GMT
I think Adam has the potential to be excellent in a mor attacking settup where he sits behind 2 grafters but I'm not sure thats our best settup anyway with a 442 being our best bet still. Now that Cameron's got used to the speed of the British game I'd like to see how he'd get on in the middle however such is the great job he's done at FB he's currently our best option at the club in that position. For what's its worth I do think Whelans been much improved this season but I still think we need someone better on the ball and more physically intimidating like a Diame. Come Feb I'd realistically love us to look something like this
.................................Bego..............................
GCam.............Huth...............Ryan...........Wilson
Pennant..........NZonzi.......New CM.........Downing
......................Jones.........Walters....................
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Whelan
Jan 14, 2013 10:22:42 GMT
Post by Onneravineet on Jan 14, 2013 10:22:42 GMT
Downing? The rejuvenated Stuart Downing who started verses the shit yesterday? Not a chance.
Agree with the Adam comments. I'll give him a chance if he ever gets played in a position that he can play. The current debacle of 451 is so lacking and simply is not working. However Vaughn was THE midfielder for Blackpool that made Adam look good.
I would settle for Gardner in the middle over Whelan or moreover Vaughn!
Fingers crossed TP will get his man and sign Thudd! Him and N'Zonzi would be our best midfield pair that I have ever seen personally.
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Whelan
Jan 14, 2013 14:40:45 GMT
Post by thestatusquo on Jan 14, 2013 14:40:45 GMT
As others have said, he was very poor on Saturday but it's hard to pass forwards when there is no one to pass to.
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Whelan
Jan 14, 2013 14:43:41 GMT
Post by scfc75 on Jan 14, 2013 14:43:41 GMT
62 tackles, 58 fouls last season for Charlie 'discipline' Adam... He won 4 tackles?
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