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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 26, 2012 11:22:53 GMT
Any anti-semetic stuff is out of order as is all racist chanting - Totally unnacceptable But Im 45 and maybe Im from a differeret era but isnt the rest of it classic football banter. Spurs fans were singing 'can we play you every week' - West Ham respoinded with the 'Can we stab you every week' - Distasteful - Yes - but its what has gone on at football since I was a nipper and beyond. No one got hurt, its just words. The grief we got from the press for booing Ramsay conveniently ignored the fact that the Arsenal fans started it all with their treatment of Shawcross. Are Spurs fans little angels who are exempt from all blame ? Spurs v West Ham has never been one to invite you nan along to to sing hymns at. I think its great that hooliganism has been reduced to a rare occasion and that football is, in general, a safe place to be but do we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater and sanitise it to a point where no one can stand up, no one can sing or chant and there is no interaction between home and away fans ? Football or a night at teh opera ? Its your choice ! You are so wrong mate!It isn't a choice between football or a night at the opera at all, it all boils down to a choice between basic human decency or not. God knows, I'm no prude, but this kind of behaviour totally appals me and it's hard to understand what sort of sick pleasure it gives individuals to spout this kind of vitriole at another human being. Well said. You and I (in our mid 60s!!) are from a different era to most on here and it was probably an era when there was more racism about than there is now - I can still remember when a sign on a boarding house window saying "no blacks here" was still legal. But I've certainly moved on from the bad things which were acceptable (to some) in my youth. I love football banter and the atmosphere it generates but I'd happily see those who indulge in racist chanting, chants about the Munich crash, gas chambers or glorifying the murder of a policeman, BANNED FOR LIFE from ever attending another game anywhere. Te hear some on here it is impossible to generate an atmosphere at a ground without resorting to the sort of chanting I mention in the previous paragraph but that's rubbish. In fact racist and similar chanting spoils the atmosphere because well over half the crowd (including me) would not join in if their lives depended on it.
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 26, 2012 11:54:20 GMT
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Post by rawli on Nov 26, 2012 13:29:56 GMT
If it's one form of racism I hear more in "normal" life it's that against Asians. Yea but not at public events, ha' imagine the taarabt chants you'd have a bombing' To bad' the UK will be majority asian in 5 generations you won't have such' outcry's ;D What a pile of absolute shite you are spouting. Are EDL demo's public events? Is 'you're just a town full of pakis' aimed at blacks or jews? What a pity we have lost you to America where you'll be in a minority sooner than the UK.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 26, 2012 16:39:20 GMT
Any anti-semetic stuff is out of order as is all racist chanting - Totally unnacceptable But Im 45 and maybe Im from a differeret era but isnt the rest of it classic football banter. Spurs fans were singing 'can we play you every week' - West Ham respoinded with the 'Can we stab you every week' - Distasteful - Yes - but its what has gone on at football since I was a nipper and beyond. No one got hurt, its just words. The grief we got from the press for booing Ramsay conveniently ignored the fact that the Arsenal fans started it all with their treatment of Shawcross. Are Spurs fans little angels who are exempt from all blame ? Spurs v West Ham has never been one to invite you nan along to to sing hymns at. I think its great that hooliganism has been reduced to a rare occasion and that football is, in general, a safe place to be but do we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater and sanitise it to a point where no one can stand up, no one can sing or chant and there is no interaction between home and away fans ?Football or a night at teh opera ? Its your choice ! if you genuinely think that people being upset and offended by fans singing songs about innocent members of the public who are on their deathbeds after being viciously attacked in the name of football and songs that allude to the holocaust and nazi germany is "Throiwng the baby out of the bathwater" then i genuinely worry about your handle on reality in today's society!!! "i may be from a different era"........one of those often heard phrases which means bugger all but people seem to think it excuses them from anything that goes on nowadays or any of the rules that are NOW commonly held in society......are you still alive? if so, then you were from a different era then but you are from this era NOW, i suggest you start to show a little understanding of how the world works today mate rather than excusing yourself by basically saying "Ah, well i'm older so it doesn't matter, i can just do what i did back then" Did you read what I said ? Clearly not as you immediately take my point out of context and refer to anti-semetic references when I made it clear from the first point onwards that that was unacceptable and certainly not part of the 'baby / bathwater' arguement.
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