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Post by yogibear78 on Sept 10, 2012 14:53:42 GMT
;D That's it then, there is absolutley no way Adam should of started that game. Well there were no reports of Jol or Villas Boas getting booed by their own fans that weekend so maybe their fans simply aren't as retarded as the likes of you and your sort, you mental old piss tank. Or maybe they don't have Tony pulis in charge?
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Post by Northy on Sept 10, 2012 14:53:55 GMT
That's a weird article. Sounds like Kemp doesn't have the first inkling what we're going to do! Then he goes off on a tangent that is at best delusional about it all being a big media fabrication based around the throw. Then the inevitable spectre of Cameron at right back. Hopefully it's a fairly meaningless article and there's every chance we will change to accommodate the new signings rather than just assuming they will slot straight in and bring changes of their own accord. what was wrong with Cameron at right back at Wigan, far, far better than Wilko?
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Post by offthewall on Sept 10, 2012 14:56:00 GMT
I'm sure it was 4 but it may of been 3, it was a while ago, we were struggling for money and we literally signed half a team at the last minute and they all started the same match. Pretty sure Darrell russell was in the team. I'd be interested to know the last 10 years opening day scores if anyone knows.. Yeah I would too. We don't want people posting any old bollox now do we.
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Post by yogibear78 on Sept 10, 2012 15:01:58 GMT
It was infact the 2003/2004 season 3-0 win away to Derby where we put together half a new team at the death and they all started on the same field.
This is from the Wiki page 2003/2004 season.
Manager Tony Pulis made a number of alterations to his squad in the summer of 2003 as a number of players which helped Stoke gain promotion and subsequent survival left the club and in came several new players. These included experienced goalkeeper Ed de Goey, defenders Clint Hill and John Halls, midfielders John Eustace and Darel Russell and forwards Carl Asaba and Gifton Noel-Williams whilst the most notable departures was that of James O'Connor and fan favourite Sergei Shtanuk.[1]
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 10, 2012 15:50:56 GMT
That's a weird article. Sounds like Kemp doesn't have the first inkling what we're going to do! Then he goes off on a tangent that is at best delusional about it all being a big media fabrication based around the throw. Then the inevitable spectre of Cameron at right back. Hopefully it's a fairly meaningless article and there's every chance we will change to accommodate the new signings rather than just assuming they will slot straight in and bring changes of their own accord. Its obvious that Kemp is just a yes boy for TP He would have absolutely no idea how to organise the players we have. He's there just to quell any speculation about changing of tactics We should know by now, TP does not know how to change tactics, and as for Kemp......forget it!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 10, 2012 15:58:25 GMT
Some good debates on this from both perspectives.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 10, 2012 16:26:10 GMT
Makes those whinging arseholes at Wigan look like twats when you realise that Adam hadn't even trained with us and was therefore rightly on the bench. Now, now now Momo every cock gagger's entitled to an agenda... Exactly. Fancy people expecting an international footballer to play without a training session with his new club. I mean, these cock suckers would jump on a situation where if he for example brought a player over from the USA who has never played in this country before, who only landed here on the thursday before the game on Saturday, had a time zone problem and threw him straight in the side. Tone wouldn't be so daft and that would blow a hole straight through the apologist claptrap argument regarding Adam. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 16:28:06 GMT
Now, now now Momo every cock gagger's entitled to an agenda... Exactly. Fancy people expecting an international footballer to play without a training session with his new club. I mean, these cock suckers would jump on a situation where if he for example brought a player over from the USA who has never played in this country before, who only landed here on the thursday before the game on Saturday, had a time zone problem and threw him straight in the side. Tone wouldn't be so daft and that would blow a hole straight through the apologist claptrap argument regarding Adam. ;D I could have swore the American played some part in pre season ???
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 10, 2012 16:34:09 GMT
Exactly. Fancy people expecting an international footballer to play without a training session with his new club. I mean, these cock suckers would jump on a situation where if he for example brought a player over from the USA who has never played in this country before, who only landed here on the thursday before the game on Saturday, had a time zone problem and threw him straight in the side. Tone wouldn't be so daft and that would blow a hole straight through the apologist claptrap argument regarding Adam. ;D I could have swore the American played some part in pre season ??? I could have sworn that Charlie Adam was a proven Premier League International footballer who was likely to be far more ready to play in a Premier league game of football than someone who has never even watched a Premier league game live suffering from jet-lag. I think the excuse being offered up by Tazi and Momo for the exclusion of Adam for his omission from the starting line up tends to have a contradiction. Don't you to be fair?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2012 16:38:33 GMT
The Wolstanton correspondent conveniently ignores point that every other manager seemed to agree with Pulis's approach regarding late transfer arrivals and the fact that Cameron had been to many training sessions and played three games to get used to the 'shape'. Then again a few facts have never stopped the wankstain brigade from a good Pulis twatting have they? You can prove anything with facts
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 16:41:06 GMT
I could have swore the American played some part in pre season ??? I could have sworn that Charlie Adam was a proven Premier League International footballer who was likely to be far more ready to play in a Premier league game of football than someone who has never even watched a Premier league game live suffering from jet-lag. I think the excuse being offered up by Tazi and Momo for the exclusion of Adam for his omission from the starting line up tends to have a contradiction. Don't you to be fair? Maybe so but with Cameron training with us for a few weeks he'd have a better idea what was required in the cage ;D than a top player who's been free to move in a bigger area of the pitch than expected with us Alright i'm clutching at straws but lets all see what happens with a full squad to choose from although i suspect we'll be setting up in our usual manner for 4 out of the next 5 games
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 10, 2012 16:43:35 GMT
The Wolstanton correspondent conveniently ignores point that every other manager seemed to agree with Pulis's approach regarding late transfer arrivals and the fact that Cameron had been to many training sessions and played three games to get used to the 'shape'. Then again a few facts have never stopped the wankstain brigade from a good Pulis twatting have they? You can prove anything with facts I see you have avoided every single fact of the situation. You have been blown out of the water. You know as well as I do of course that Tone makes up the rules on player readiness to perform as he goes along. Not that Im particularly bothered as to Adam starting or not at Wigwam. Im more interested in the longer term use of another player who doesnt really fit in with the current Plan A.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 10, 2012 16:44:31 GMT
I could have sworn that Charlie Adam was a proven Premier League International footballer who was likely to be far more ready to play in a Premier league game of football than someone who has never even watched a Premier league game live suffering from jet-lag. I think the excuse being offered up by Tazi and Momo for the exclusion of Adam for his omission from the starting line up tends to have a contradiction. Don't you to be fair? Maybe so but with Cameron training with us for a few weeks he'd have a better idea what was required in the cage ;D than a top player who's been free to move in a bigger area of the pitch than expected with us Alright i'm clutching at straws but lets all see what happens with a full squad to choose from although i suspect we'll be setting up in our usual manner for 4 out of the next 5 games ;D Agree entirely.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2012 16:49:09 GMT
The Wolstanton correspondent conveniently ignores point that every other manager seemed to agree with Pulis's approach regarding late transfer arrivals and the fact that Cameron had been to many training sessions and played three games to get used to the 'shape'. Then again a few facts have never stopped the wankstain brigade from a good Pulis twatting have they? You can prove anything with facts I see you have avoided every single fact of the situation. You have been blown out of the water. You know as well as I do of course that Tone makes up the rules on player readiness to perform as he goes along. Not that Im particularly bothered as to Adam starting or not at Wigwam. Im more interested in the longer term use of another player who doesnt really fit in with the current Plan A. The FACTS are that one player who you are suggesting was treated differently had had SEVERAL training sessions and three games with his teammates under his belt and the other watched a brief session with his brogues on. As ever TP got it spot on and the wankstains have been owned
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 10, 2012 16:50:45 GMT
The Wolstanton correspondent conveniently ignores point that every other manager seemed to agree with Pulis's approach regarding late transfer arrivals and the fact that Cameron had been to many training sessions and played three games to get used to the 'shape'. Then again a few facts have never stopped the wankstain brigade from a good Pulis twatting have they? You can prove anything with facts I see you have avoided every single fact of the situation. You have been blown out of the water. You know as well as I do of course that Tone makes up the rules on player readiness to perform as he goes along. Not that Im particularly bothered as to Adam starting or not at Wigwam. Im more interested in the longer term use of another player who doesnt really fit in with the current Plan A. Looks like this thread has run its course
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Post by onionman on Sept 10, 2012 16:57:05 GMT
This is like watching a child who can't wait until Christmas Day to open his special present, so he sneaks into his dad's garage and starts playing with it before it's ready.
You will be able to beat Pulis with the "Charlie Adam stick" soon enough! Just wait until his talents have dwindled by being stuck out on the wing for a few weeks, or he's played a few games in the cage, or his value plummets as he sits out his contract in the reserves. Then everyone will agree with you that Pulis messed up the Charlie Adam signing.
Moaning because he didn't play the first half-hour of a match 24 hours after he signed - especially when Pulis has already showed encouraging signs of building the team around his passing ability - feels like an abuse of the Charlie Adam stick.
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Post by tazi on Sept 10, 2012 16:59:45 GMT
Now, now now Momo every cock gagger's entitled to an agenda... Even those who travel to away matches ? Even those i know that travel to away games who thought Pulis wouldn't ammount to much too.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2012 17:00:47 GMT
feels like an abuse of the Charlie Adam stick. Any stick will do. When he comes back from Glasgow with a niggle and isn't started on Saturday, they'll be on here and Five Live again telling us all that the booing and anti manager chanting in a game against the Champions was entirely justified.
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Post by tazi on Sept 10, 2012 17:02:25 GMT
Mental old piss tank............. ;D ;D
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Post by tazi on Sept 10, 2012 17:08:12 GMT
It was infact the 2003/2004 season 3-0 win away to Derby where we put together half a new team at the death and they all started on the same field. This is from the Wiki page 2003/2004 season. Manager Tony Pulis made a number of alterations to his squad in the summer of 2003 as a number of players which helped Stoke gain promotion and subsequent survival left the club and in came several new players. These included experienced goalkeeper Ed de Goey, defenders Clint Hill and John Halls, midfielders John Eustace and Darel Russell and forwards Carl Asaba and Gifton Noel-Williams whilst the most notable departures was that of James O'Connor and fan favourite Sergei Shtanuk.[1] Wow, Tony Pulis in 'players left the club, and in came new players to play together' shocker.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 10, 2012 17:09:23 GMT
It was infact the 2003/2004 season 3-0 win away to Derby where we put together half a new team at the death and they all started on the same field. This is from the Wiki page 2003/2004 season. Manager Tony Pulis made a number of alterations to his squad in the summer of 2003 as a number of players which helped Stoke gain promotion and subsequent survival left the club and in came several new players. These included experienced goalkeeper Ed de Goey, defenders Clint Hill and John Halls, midfielders John Eustace and Darel Russell and forwards Carl Asaba and Gifton Noel-Williams whilst the most notable departures was that of James O'Connor and fan favourite Sergei Shtanuk.[1] Wow, Tony Pulis in 'players left the club, and in came new players to play together' shocker. Quite revelatory stuff
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Post by tazi on Sept 10, 2012 17:11:46 GMT
Wow, Tony Pulis in 'players left the club, and in came new players to play together' shocker. Quite revelatory stuff ;D ;D Indeed.
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Post by onionman on Sept 10, 2012 17:18:39 GMT
feels like an abuse of the Charlie Adam stick. Any stick will do. When he comes back from Glasgow with a niggle and isn't started on Saturday, they'll be on here and Five Live again telling us all that the booing and anti manager chanting in a game against the Champions was entirely justified. On the positive side, I expect the "Ben Marshall stick" to be placed back in the cupboard for a while now. But if an Adam-inspired Stoke finish in the top half this season, we'll see a return of the most desperate stick of all, the "three-year plan stick", with its accompanying phrases like "Well this is all well and good, but how do we know this progress is going to last if Pulis doesn't tell us what his three-year plan is?"
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Post by mcf on Sept 10, 2012 17:22:18 GMT
Moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet.
Top quailty, money can't buy, Pulis Hating Wankstainery at its finest!
Beautiful!
;D
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Post by mcf on Sept 10, 2012 17:24:26 GMT
Is that the Ben Marshall stick that fell from the tree that delivered the Adam Vass branch and Carl 'up all night' hoofers twig?
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 10, 2012 17:44:16 GMT
Moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet. Top quailty, money can't buy, Pulis Hating Wankstainery at its finest! Beautiful! ;D And to add to the insanity.....having seen Pulis sign Adam and Owen in recent weeks thus adding players of the type they constantly clamour for. They really do show their true colours at times like this. Taking pleasure in the teams failings purely so they can satisfy their manager hating personal vendettas. Pitiful. Pathetic. Predictable. And perversely entertaining.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 10, 2012 18:01:04 GMT
Tony does pick and choose his use of an argument to suit his agenda - anyone with a hole in their arse can see that. Compare his response to different players' breach of club policy - some get consigned to the stiffs or sold (Griff, Kits, BT), whislt others get a slap on the wrist and a first team spot (Fuller and, to a certain extent, Pennant). Some players travel half way round the world and get picked for the next game (Walters and Whelan), whilst others have to be rested (Palacios). All managers do it, and it is stupid to suggest otherwise - they have their favourites, simple as that, and they sometimes tell porkies to mask such favouritism! Shock horror!
As for Kemp's interview, he is a "cone man" in the best Stewart Houston mode, a "yes boss" of the Phil Neal school. His words are without any substance or value. Tone presents him to the press when he wants to say nothing at all.
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Post by baystokie on Sept 10, 2012 18:17:18 GMT
'HOPEFULLY, we can find a position for him'?? - so we didn't have a position in mind when we signed him?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 10, 2012 18:45:05 GMT
children calm down and stop your tantrums
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Post by foster on Sept 10, 2012 19:09:27 GMT
I see you have avoided every single fact of the situation. You have been blown out of the water. You know as well as I do of course that Tone makes up the rules on player readiness to perform as he goes along. Not that Im particularly bothered as to Adam starting or not at Wigwam. Im more interested in the longer term use of another player who doesnt really fit in with the current Plan A. Looks like this thread has run its course ;D
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