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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 22, 2012 13:26:04 GMT
They must miss Grimsby away. I urge you to go to specsavers for an eye test if you have no problem with the shite negative football and lineups on show on a weekly basis just because you are a Premier League club. If we went down our attendances would drop like a lead balloon. [/quote] Why would they? How come Derby County still average 23,000 despite being a bottom half Championship team since their embarrassing relegation? We have spent longer in the Premier League than Derby did at their last attempt. We got to a cup final where as they didn't. We had European football where as they didn't. The longer we are at the top, the more youngsters in the area will begin to follow Stoke instead of Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelski like in the last 20 years. If people in their 50's would prefer League 1 football then that's their decision. I think they're on drugs personally.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 22, 2012 13:28:28 GMT
The problem with this manager hating nonsense is that to get 13,000 glory hunting cunts you need a manager to bring some glory in the first place. Arise Tony Pulis. What do you define as glory? Surviving in the Premier League playing division 4 tactics whilst on par 99% of the time with the same technical ability as a division 4 team? That's not glory to me, living glory to me would be relishing the games ahead and not being afraid of them, glory is taking the game to the opposistion with the confidence of a Premier League club, not paying David and Goliath every week. I'd prefer us to go out in a blaze of glory than to go out or survive on a cowardly whimper. Of course the chances are we're more than capable staying in this league whilst playing glorified football anyway, or at least we should be by now if someone was doing their job properly. You can't have it both ways Yoge. If you're suggesting that Pulis will drive away the glory hunters we've stumbled upon over the last four years, you have to concede that he's the fucker who attracted them in the first place. Whenever he leaves and after your street parties have finished, you will be forced to concede that the he left the club a hell of a lot healthier and stronger than when he found it - so in that respect and in terms of the last three decades these are indeed 'glory' years
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 22, 2012 13:29:18 GMT
The problem with this manager hating nonsense is that to get 13,000 glory hunting cunts you need a manager to bring some glory in the first place. Arise Tony Pulis. What do you define as glory? Surviving in the Premier League playing division 4 tactics whilst on par 99% of the time with the same technical ability as a division 4 team? That's not glory to me, living glory to me would be relishing the games ahead and not being afraid of them, glory is taking the game to the opposistion with the confidence of a Premier League club, not paying David and Goliath every week. I'd prefer us to go out in a blaze of glory than to go out or survive on a cowardly whimper. Of course the chances are we're more than capable staying in this league whilst playing glorified football anyway, or at least we should be by now if someone was doing their job properly. I would say an FA Cup final and Europe can be defined as "glory" You could also say that remaining in the Premeir League and facing some of the best teams in the world is "glory" to I look forward to every match and yes, the football is average, but I don't see many teams outside the top 7 or 8 teams playing hugely attractive football on a regular basis.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 22, 2012 13:29:56 GMT
Mark of Wolstanton os of course correct and it's the best and most truthful post I have read on here for a while. Tony Pulis is of course living the dream, he is managing the only Premier League club that would have him, the reason that he doesn't get linked with other jobs is no other fans would put up with him and boards around the country would fear a backlash from supporters if they employed Pulis and his 'methods'. The only people that will put up with it are a few desperate Stokies, namely MOMO, TAZI, STOKELAD and other jokers. If you listen to these jokers they will say "but the attendance shows otherwise, what they fail to realise is it's since promotion to the Prem the attendance has swelled, and probably the 'new' supporters don't know any different, if Pulis takes us down we'll be back down to 12'500 to 15'000 of the original support. Pulis' methods are a joke for a club supposedly in the top flight of English football. Are you still being positive by being negative? ??? Don't mock, even admin are getting in on this nu-age thinking!Whatever makes you think I was talking about you?!!!?? I didn't say you were. I answered on behalf of the brush stroke dismissal of the complaints you applied so liberally. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) The negative accusation is an interesting one. On one hand there are those who claim that we should be grateful for what we have and shut up about the shite football. The remember where we were x years ago brigade if you will. On the other there are those who maintain what we are seeing is not good enough and given the circumstances of the club we should not be so reliant on minimilist football. Which point of view is the negative one?
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:31:36 GMT
They must miss Grimsby away. I urge you to go to specsavers for an eye test if you have no problem with the shite negative football and lineups on show on a weekly basis just because you are a Premier League club. If we went down our attendances would drop like a lead balloon. Why would they? How come Derby County still average 23,000 despite being a bottom half Championship team since their embarrassing relegation? We have spent longer in the Premier League than Derby did at their last attempt. We got to a cup final where as they didn't. We had European football where as they didn't. The longer we are at the top, the more youngsters in the area will begin to follow Stoke instead of Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelski like in the last 20 years. If people in their 50's would prefer League 1 football then that's their decision. I think they're on drugs personally.[/quote] Don't get it do you, we might be a Premier League club but we don't play Premier League football. If we were relegated this next season Pulis would still rave about how good other clubs are and how long they have been in the championship for on the verge of promotion. Get someone in with a bit of belief and the bollocks and nouse to play Premier League football.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 22, 2012 13:32:29 GMT
Are you still being positive by being negative? ??? Don't mock, even admin are getting in on this nu-age thinking!I didn't say you were. I answered on behalf of the brush stroke dismissal of the complaints you applied so liberally. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) The negative accusation is an interesting one. On one hand there are those who claim that we should be grateful for what we have and shut up about the shite football. The remember where we were x years ago brigade if you will. On the other there are those who maintain what we are seeing is not good enough and given the circumstances of the club we should not be so reliant on minimilist football. Which point of view is the negative one? ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/84w9NwSsj6YY9VWeECaY.gif) ;D ;D
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:33:44 GMT
Positive support is refusing to accept negative gutless management.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 22, 2012 13:39:14 GMT
The problem with this manager hating nonsense is that to get 13,000 glory hunting cunts you need a manager to bring some glory in the first place. Arise Tony Pulis. What do you define as glory? Surviving in the Premier League playing division 4 tactics whilst on par 99% of the time with the same technical ability as a division 4 team? That's not glory to me, living glory to me would be relishing the games ahead and not being afraid of them, glory is taking the game to the opposistion with the confidence of a Premier League club, not paying David and Goliath every week. I'd prefer us to go out in a blaze of glory than to go out or survive on a cowardly whimper. Of course the chances are we're more than capable staying in this league whilst playing glorified football anyway, or at least we should be by now if someone was doing their job properly. I'm being slightly pedantic, but I never go to any home game against even the biggest sides with even the tiniest hint of fear to be honest. I don't see how we survive on a cowardly wimper. Away games I'm not happy with at all but I think you're using too broad a brush with some of your criticism. You're all full of hyperbole and exaggeration Yogi, like an enthusiatic young Adolf. I really think you actually do a huge diservice to your fellow 'Pulis Out' campaigners as you turn more people away from the cause than you do to it. It's just something in your manner. You need to get your shit together and start winning some hearts and minds buddy.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 22, 2012 13:39:34 GMT
Pathetic support is refusing to enjoy Cup Finals and Stoke in Europe
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:41:50 GMT
What do you define as glory? Surviving in the Premier League playing division 4 tactics whilst on par 99% of the time with the same technical ability as a division 4 team? That's not glory to me, living glory to me would be relishing the games ahead and not being afraid of them, glory is taking the game to the opposistion with the confidence of a Premier League club, not paying David and Goliath every week. I'd prefer us to go out in a blaze of glory than to go out or survive on a cowardly whimper. Of course the chances are we're more than capable staying in this league whilst playing glorified football anyway, or at least we should be by now if someone was doing their job properly. You can't have it both ways Yoge. If you're suggesting that Pulis will drive away the glory hunters we've stumbled upon over the last four years, you have to concede that he's the fucker who attracted them in the first place. Whenever he leaves and after your street parties have finished, you will be forced to concede that the he left the club a hell of a lot healthier and stronger than when he found it - so in that respect and in terms of the last three decades these are indeed 'glory' years Premier League football fixtures attracted the new support, not Tony Pulis, his methods or his negative mindset. I'll concede now that the club is a lot healthier than when WE CHOSE HIM, it doesn't mean he's got an eternal best before date though. We have had TP's best efforts, it's time to upgrade.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jun 22, 2012 13:43:39 GMT
If you feel so strongly then why not start a Pulis Out campaign? You have the power of the Oatcake Fanzine and strict moderation of this site to help you achieve your goal. Because that would put me on the same level as you. No further explanation required.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 22, 2012 13:44:13 GMT
Positive support is refusing to accept negative gutless management. If this "negatitive gutless management" keeps getting us into cup finals, Europe and a safe mid-table position in the Premier League then I can't complain There are millions of fans of other clubs that would die to be in our position
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:44:17 GMT
So why after 5 years then does he still bang on about us being the small fish in an over rated league after he has had 10 transfer windows and tremendous backing by the board? If he knew what he was doing with the money we wouldn't need half a new team.
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:45:33 GMT
Positive support is refusing to accept negative gutless management. If this "negatitive gutless management" keeps getting us into cup finals, Europe and a safe mid-table position in the Premier League then I can't complain There are millions of fans of other clubs that would die to be in our position What, punching above our weight weeek in week out playing shite football and made to look amateur by average teams?
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Post by blurtonboy on Jun 22, 2012 13:47:25 GMT
Positive support is refusing to accept negative gutless management. And here is me thinking positive support, is supporting SCFC, no matter who the manager is, or how good or wank we are playing at that particular time, no matter what fucking division we are in. Id rather play wank in the prem than play wank in Div 3.
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:48:37 GMT
Businesses always purchase the best manager they can afford, I accept that when we were a championship club stealing Tony Pulis from his porta cabin in Plymouth Argyle was a move on par with where we were, he is now out of his depth.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 22, 2012 13:48:46 GMT
You can't have it both ways Yoge. If you're suggesting that Pulis will drive away the glory hunters we've stumbled upon over the last four years, you have to concede that he's the fucker who attracted them in the first place. Whenever he leaves and after your street parties have finished, you will be forced to concede that the he left the club a hell of a lot healthier and stronger than when he found it - so in that respect and in terms of the last three decades these are indeed 'glory' years Premier League football fixtures attracted the new support, not Tony Pulis, his methods or his negative mindset. I'll concede now that the club is a lot healthier than when WE CHOSE HIM, it doesn't mean he's got an eternal best before date though. We have had TP's best efforts, it's time to upgrade. So the fact that he's the manager that got us there, has kept us there, and thrown in a life enhancing cup final and European trips is irrelevant. Like a lot of this manager hating bollocks, when you scratch beneath the surface, there's not really a lot there.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 22, 2012 13:49:37 GMT
Don't get it do you, we might be a Premier League club but we don't play Premier League football. If we were relegated this next season Pulis would still rave about how good other clubs are and how long they have been in the championship for on the verge of promotion. Get someone in with a bit of belief and the bollocks and nouse to play Premier League football. You didn't answer my question. Why would we lose half of our support when similar (if not smaller) sized clubs did not?
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 22, 2012 13:49:39 GMT
Positive support is refusing to accept negative gutless management. Seems we have a budding Sun Tsu on our hands. ;D The Art of PHWing: Yogi Bear
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 22, 2012 13:50:50 GMT
If this "negatitive gutless management" keeps getting us into cup finals, Europe and a safe mid-table position in the Premier League then I can't complain There are millions of fans of other clubs that would die to be in our position What, punching above our weight weeek in week out playing shite football and made to look amateur by average teams? Our football isn't an awful lot worse than a lot of other teams in this league. Aston Villa have spent an awful lot more than us, have been in the league longer than us and have a greater fan base than our own. Yet the football they play isn't much, if at all, better than ours. When we are on form then our football is more than acceptable and you have to remember, at the end of the day results is the only thing that truly matters in football.
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:50:53 GMT
Positive support is refusing to accept negative gutless management. And here is me thinking positive support, is supporting SCFC, no matter who the manager is, or how good or wank we are playing at that particular time, no matter what fucking division we are in. Id rather play wank in the prem than play wank in Div 3. At least one of you admits we do play wank, that is a start, it's a shame the scare mongering of the negative capped one has brainwashed you into thinking No Pulis = No top flight football fixtures.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 22, 2012 13:51:12 GMT
If you feel so strongly then why not start a Pulis Out campaign? You have the power of the Oatcake Fanzine and strict moderation of this site to help you achieve your goal. Because that would put me on the same level as you. No further explanation required. Oh really. Can't really remember myself taking random digs at the Stoke City manager. Your memory may be better than mine tho...
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:52:26 GMT
What, punching above our weight weeek in week out playing shite football and made to look amateur by average teams? Our football isn't an awful lot worse than a lot of other teams in this league. Aston Villa have spent an awful lot more than us, have been in the league longer than us and have a greater fan base than our own. Yet the football they play isn't much, if at all, better than ours. When we are on form then our football is more than acceptable and you have to remember, at the end of the day results is the only thing that truly matters in football. Pricelsess, you go on about how Villa's football is not much better than ours and they have just sacked the person responsible for their dire efforts last season.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 22, 2012 13:55:06 GMT
Our football isn't an awful lot worse than a lot of other teams in this league. Aston Villa have spent an awful lot more than us, have been in the league longer than us and have a greater fan base than our own. Yet the football they play isn't much, if at all, better than ours. When we are on form then our football is more than acceptable and you have to remember, at the end of the day results is the only thing that truly matters in football. Pricelsess, you go on about how Villa's football is not much better than ours and they have just sacked the person responsible for their dire efforts last season. Unfortunately for Villa, they've replaced him with a man who will come in and play the game in a very similar way. Their efforts to nab Grant Holt would be setting the alarm bells ringing if I was a Villa fan right now.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 22, 2012 13:55:40 GMT
Our football isn't an awful lot worse than a lot of other teams in this league. Aston Villa have spent an awful lot more than us, have been in the league longer than us and have a greater fan base than our own. Yet the football they play isn't much, if at all, better than ours. When we are on form then our football is more than acceptable and you have to remember, at the end of the day results is the only thing that truly matters in football. Pricelsess, you go on about how Villa's football is not much better than ours and they have just sacked the person responsible for their dire efforts last season. Maybe that's because they finished below us? ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/84w9NwSsj6YY9VWeECaY.gif) Maybe I should use Sunderland as an example instead. I mean, they play wonderful free-flowing football don't they. When you scratch the surface, not may teams outside the top 7-8 play an awful lot better than ourselves.
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Post by yogibear78 on Jun 22, 2012 13:56:17 GMT
Pricelsess, you go on about how Villa's football is not much better than ours and they have just sacked the person responsible for their dire efforts last season. Unfortunately for Villa, they've replaced him with a man who will come in and play the game in a very similar way. Their efforts to nab Grant Holt would be setting the alarm bells ringing if I was a Villa fan right now. Do you mean like nabbing Sidibe, Woodgate and Delap from the verge of the Job centre? ???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2012 13:56:50 GMT
Mark of Wolstanton os of course correct and it's the best and most truthful post I have read on here for a while. Tony Pulis is of course living the dream, he is managing the only Premier League club that would have him, the reason that he doesn't get linked with other jobs is no other fans would put up with him and boards around the country would fear a backlash from supporters if they employed Pulis and his 'methods'. The only people that will put up with it are a few desperate Stokies, namely MOMO, TAZI, STOKELAD and other jokers. If you listen to these jokers they will say "but the attendance shows otherwise, what they fail to realise is it's since promotion to the Prem the attendance has swelled, and probably the 'new' supporters don't know any different, if Pulis takes us down we'll be back down to 12'500 to 15'000 of the original support. Pulis' methods are a joke for a club supposedly in the top flight of English football. you have a consistent record of talking shit but this is extreme even for you Yogi! if you look at this board you will see, as has been said by numerous people, they don't necessarily have a problem with TP persay but WOULD like to see an improvement in the football we played last season! there IS a middle ground and it's been shown to be clear that YOU are actually in the minority of a "Few desperate Stokies" not the other way around. i personally enjoyed watching you berate and slag off TP when we got promoted to the Prem and when we beat Bolton 5-0 because of the style of play we employed on those occasions....oh no, that's right you didn't did you? don't get me wrong, i'm not with the whole "Look at where we came from" camp myself but at the same time i'm not in the "Enjoy the good times and bask in the glory but then slag off the club to the hilt when it isn't quite as rosy"...to be fair that kind of attitude is the very definition of the term "Gloryhunter"!!!! i was going to use the old cliche of "If you don't like then fuck off up the vale" but i'll amend it slightly especially for you........"Just fuck off up the vale regardless of whether you like it or not will you?" ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 22, 2012 13:57:10 GMT
Lambert's Norwich played even more long balls than Stoke did last season.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 22, 2012 13:57:16 GMT
Unfortunately for Villa, they've replaced him with a man who will come in and play the game in a very similar way. Their efforts to nab Grant Holt would be setting the alarm bells ringing if I was a Villa fan right now. Do you mean like nabbing Sidibe, Woodgate and Delap from the verge of the Job centre? ??? Both Sidibe and Delap have been fantastic servants for this football club
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 22, 2012 13:58:14 GMT
Lambert's Norwich played even more long balls than Stoke did last season. Nahhh, they played Spanish-esque football. Everyone does apart from Pulis ...
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