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Post by exiledstokie on Oct 23, 2011 14:30:33 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks apart from two goalkeeping 'errors' we've played a very good game today?
We were always going to sit back and try and nick the ball, which for most of the game we did very well.
Only disappointment is we sat that fraction deeper when Diao came on and he never really pressured the ball like Rory did. We need Palacios fit ASAP and then we can replace Deano in the first 11 and we've got a very good team on our hands.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Oct 23, 2011 14:30:50 GMT
Why the knives are out for Diao god only knows. He had a good game the other night and the first thing he did when he came on today, was win two tackles high up the pitch. I've sat watching the stream for the last half hour and watched Whelan and Whitehead get nowhere near the thing, and for the second goal Whelan and Whitehead were virtually sat on top of the centre backs. The only bloke in the midfield was Diao. I'm not saying he's my first choice but talk about scapegoating. This football club has done nothing but give to us supporters for the last 4 years - Premier League midtable finishes, FA Cup semi final, FA Cup final, European football and the toys come out after a 3-1 defeat away at Arsenal? We have to improve away from home but jesus christ... He had a good game against League 2 standard opposition. You can defend him all you want, the fact is after 3 years we should be way past even including the likes of Diao in the 25-man squad. Both valid points. I won't argue. He wasn't the worst bloke on the pitch today though, was he? I appreciate that statement doesn't cut any ice once the dust has settled and people have pre-judged any situation with Salif in it, but there you go. I look forward to the same treatment of our ill-fated left winger and his sudden drop in form to something resembling Peter Sweeney mixed with Peter Kopteff. I won't hold my breath though.
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Post by pickins on Oct 23, 2011 14:31:07 GMT
van persil changed the game twat Don't worry he won't be there for the home game . . . .
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 23, 2011 14:31:19 GMT
I don't know why we don't just mark down a list of games at the start of the season where we are not going to make an effort to win and then hand over 3 points to all of those sides. To be fair magic, all our away games are clearly listed as so on the official web site ...
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 23, 2011 14:31:51 GMT
"diao is shit" "Pulis out" Fuck off you idiots, we are stoke they are arsenal... dunno what some people expect! great first half, scored away from home and conceded two goals to a striker who has scored about 30 in his last 40 games! Barca lost there last season ffs! This kind of post is more tedious than the ones that are moaning.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 23, 2011 14:32:34 GMT
"diao is shit" "Pulis out" Fuck off you idiots, we are stoke they are arsenal... dunno what some people expect! great first half, scored away from home and conceded two goals to a striker who has scored about 30 in his last 40 games! Barca lost there last season ffs! This. They were so there for the taking. We hardly got any balls into the box or played to our strengths at all by at least trying to exert some pressure on them. Shotton should have come on or started RB/RM. We won't get a good enough chance to beat or at least get a point at the Emirates for a long time. It's not the result that people are annoyed about, it's about our pathetic away tactics and performances.
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Post by oasis on Oct 23, 2011 14:32:51 GMT
If your moaning about loosing to arsenal away then it was time to go a long time ago pal. bye
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Oct 23, 2011 14:34:38 GMT
Bolton fans will be looking forward to the Stoke Visit. Also this caller on p & g is talking sense.
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Post by pennantscurlyhair on Oct 23, 2011 14:35:50 GMT
Rigsby everyone can have an opinion on what they thought today i thought we just lost baceause of RVP
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 23, 2011 14:36:08 GMT
Why the knives are out for Diao god only knows. He had a good game the other night and the first thing he did when he came on today, was win two tackles high up the pitch. I've sat watching the stream for the last half hour and watched Whelan and Whitehead get nowhere near the thing, and for the second goal Whelan and Whitehead were virtually sat on top of the centre backs. The only bloke in the midfield was Diao. I'm not saying he's my first choice but talk about scapegoating. This football club has done nothing but give to us supporters for the last 4 years - Premier League midtable finishes, FA Cup semi final, FA Cup final, European football and the toys come out after a 3-1 defeat away at Arsenal? We have to improve away from home but jesus christ... He had a good game against League 2 standard opposition. You can defend him all you want, the fact is after 3 years we should be way past even including the likes of Diao in the 25-man squad. I'm not condoning the selection of Dioa before others but today he was not to blame for the result or the way we played there were some far worse players who need a good kick up the arse today. Delap- Lost, clueless, aweful Ethers-Bone Idle did not want to be there his worst performance in a Stoke shirt Walters-Absolutley diabolical decision making almost everytime he had the ball. Beggo-Two poor efforts which cost us thats the second time within a few weeks he has been sloppy. Wilko was one who came out of that game with his head held high.
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 23, 2011 14:36:08 GMT
fuck away matches -sorrenson for main keeper, beggo for tourny keeper, beggo is shit compared to sorro. Saved our skins countless times this season
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Post by rigsby on Oct 23, 2011 14:36:29 GMT
Rigsby everyone can have an opinion on what they thought today i thought we just lost baceause of RVP Not if you're talking shit you can't no.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 23, 2011 14:37:00 GMT
Rigsby everyone can have an opinion on what they thought today i thought we just lost baceause of RVP Or because Bego didn't do his job properly?
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Post by stillgame4it on Oct 23, 2011 14:37:21 GMT
There is no smae in losing away when we gave it a real good go, and by freshening up the strike force after 65 mins that made a strong statement of intent. I think we should hold our heads high - if we generally play like that away from home for the rest of the season we are bound to pick up some good away results.
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Post by stokemark on Oct 23, 2011 14:37:48 GMT
"diao is shit" "Pulis out" Fuck off you idiots, we are stoke they are arsenal... dunno what some people expect! great first half, scored away from home and conceded two goals to a striker who has scored about 30 in his last 40 games! Barca lost there last season ffs! How about not playing a player who was past it 3 seasons ago against a team like Arse with players as good as that ?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 23, 2011 14:38:17 GMT
He had a good game against League 2 standard opposition. You can defend him all you want, the fact is after 3 years we should be way past even including the likes of Diao in the 25-man squad. Both valid points. I won't argue. He wasn't the worst bloke on the pitch today though, was he? I appreciate that statement doesn't cut any ice once the dust has settled and people have pre-judged any situation with Salif in it, but there you go. I look forward to the same treatment of our ill-fated left winger and his sudden drop in form to something resembling Peter Sweeney mixed with Peter Kopteff. I won't hold my breath though. He might not have been the worst player of the pitch, but it's just the fact that we have a creative, strong midfielder in Palacios also sitting on the bench and he brings on Diao instead, it's just the whole spectacle a substitution like that creats that pisses everyone off. Pulis knows how badly we hate Arsenal, he also knows that we have the players to beat them (We beat them 3-1 before the arrival of Crouch, Jerome etc.) and to set up like that is just depressing and makes you wonder whether Pulis actually has any faith in his own team away from home sometimes.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Oct 23, 2011 14:38:59 GMT
This. They were so there for the taking. We hardly got any balls into the box or played to our strengths at all by at least trying to exert some pressure on them. Shotton should have come on or started RB/RM. We won't get a good enough chance to beat or at least get a point at the Emirates for a long time. It's not the result that people are annoyed about, it's about our pathetic away tactics and performances. Don't be so silly. They'd won five out of their last six. Afraid we missed out on their bad run.
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Post by march4 on Oct 23, 2011 14:42:00 GMT
A decent enough performance.
But, Wilson was utterly woeful. He was culpable for all 3 goals and a long rest must soon await. At this level, you expect your defenders to concentrate.
The sooner Higgy is back the better.
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Oct 23, 2011 14:42:16 GMT
"diao is shit" "Pulis out" Fuck off you idiots, we are stoke they are arsenal... dunno what some people expect! great first half, scored away from home and conceded two goals to a striker who has scored about 30 in his last 40 games! Barca lost there last season ffs! It's not the result that people are annoyed about, it's about our pathetic away tactics and performances. BANG ON!
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Post by StoKeith on Oct 23, 2011 14:43:00 GMT
We looked fairly comfortable until van Persie came on.
It wasn't the best game I've seen us play overall, but it certainly wasn't the worst. Diao came on and did the job he was asked to do very effectively. I'm sure Palacios would have done well as well, but there's no need to berate Diao for TP's decisions.
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Post by raycall on Oct 23, 2011 14:43:16 GMT
Our away tactics do need to be seriously looked at by management. TP said it was a psychological block about the players not believing they could get a result when playing away after an Europa League match. We, as loyal supporters, no matter what some of you say here, are entitled to vent our frustration at watching the type of tactics our team is made to play when away from the Brit. And if you're honest you will admit that these away tactics were piss-poor not just against God-almighty Arsenal but even against Norwich and West Brom when we nicked goals at the death to snatch a draw and a win. I watched all these games and our tactics were as negative as when we got those hidings against Sunderland and Swansea. So yes we are enjoying the ride watching us perform so admirably at home in the League, doing so well in the Europa League and the League Cup, but we are well within our rights to voice our anger at such poor tactics and team selection in these away games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 14:43:20 GMT
A decent enough performance. But, Wilson was utterly woeful. He was culpable for all 3 goals and a long rest must soon await. At this level, you expect your defenders to concentrate. The sooner Higgy is back the better. I agree! but the blame for the 3rd lies with walters, awful defending from him
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Post by stokemark on Oct 23, 2011 14:45:35 GMT
A decent enough performance. But, Wilson was utterly woeful. He was culpable for all 3 goals and a long rest must soon await. At this level, you expect your defenders to concentrate. The sooner Higgy is back the better. Agree - We need to have Wilson as a midfield option as we have far too many centre halves / defenders and not enough quality in midfield. Thats at the root of our issues - we need balance and we are lop sided, relying on two players for all creativity and have decent strikers starving on a lack of service. If we were a do we'd have a big head, big fat arse and a skinny little body !
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 23, 2011 14:47:13 GMT
I'll add to this nonsensical retarded thread with some letters and then some words.... WWDWDWWWDLWDWLWWL 8th in the Premier League, top of our Europa League group and on Wednesday we play Liverpool for a place in the League Cup quarter-finals. I have one hope, and that's any cunt who wants to actually fuck off because they've had enough, does so and never comes to see us play as you're not a Stoke City supporter. Nail, head. For those who think we have this ultra-valuable squad ....Look at Arsenal's squad compared to ours. Then think if you were an Arsenal fan, would you expect your team to do better than a 2-1 win at home against Stoke? ...That's what they did ...only just. If Bego had been just a fraction better on the 2 Van Persie goals, we'd all be celebrating right now. C'Mon Stoke ... Let's give Liverpool a good lesson at the Brit!
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Post by stokief on Oct 23, 2011 14:47:44 GMT
How weird, my storm-off thread(never to be understood ) has mingled. Oh well, I'll stand by having my own opinion and I'll storm-off a message board if I want to Some people are quite humourless it seems and dont half get their knickers in a twist over nothing!
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Post by stokiejohn on Oct 23, 2011 15:14:13 GMT
Can anyone explain why anyone actually goes to away prem games ? Well except West Brom !!
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Post by RAF on Oct 23, 2011 15:25:56 GMT
This. They were so there for the taking. We hardly got any balls into the box or played to our strengths at all by at least trying to exert some pressure on them. Shotton should have come on or started RB/RM. We won't get a good enough chance to beat or at least get a point at the Emirates for a long time. It's not the result that people are annoyed about, it's about our pathetic away tactics and performances. Don't be so silly. They'd won five out of their last six. Afraid we missed out on their bad run. Not in the league they hadn't H
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 23, 2011 15:47:44 GMT
Just got home so haven't read to much of this thread but Salif did ok today Walters worked hard ,but lacked his usual guille and although crouch scored he had one of his poorer games jones looked a handful when he came on ,upson IMO was our Mom
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 23, 2011 15:56:44 GMT
A decent enough performance. But, Wilson was utterly woeful. He was culpable for all 3 goals and a long rest must soon await. At this level, you expect your defenders to concentrate. The sooner Higgy is back the better. Boring.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 23, 2011 16:16:26 GMT
Had to sit with the home crowd lent a season ticket today and yes I did jump and cheered when we scored ,but what a bunch of delusional twats they are the place was like a morgue in the 1st half and I have never watched a more clueless bunch of average players but they still sing 3-1 to the football team they flatter to deceive with the endless insipid crap they serve up they were there to be taken for an hour
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