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Post by Pugsley on Sept 25, 2011 16:40:12 GMT
I was told yesterday that Pulis thinks Shawcross is a better player when paired with Woodgate instead of Huth and there has been an improvement in Ryan's game imo but i suppose only time will tell on that one.We are in a great position having 4 top quality centre halfs and if all 4 except that some weeks they'll be benched then in my opinion it can only be good for us. I think that's right. From what I see Ryan appears to be reading the game much more. He seems to be in the right place at the right time. Probably a mixture of playing with Woody and gaining more experience. One thing is for sure, Stoke have 4 great centre halves. Pulis must go to sleep at night a very contented man!
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 25, 2011 16:41:16 GMT
Good to see one or three apologist"s lines swept away in a tremendous performance. A game that was end to end at times killed for ever the notion that if we take the game to the big clubs we get thrashed. For the first time we have a real go at Man United and get our first point. The comical excuses that are made for not playing full backs in the full back positions was blown out of the water. Wilkinson in particular showed how a full back who is a full back adds a whole new dimension to our play without reducing our defensive area effectiveness. Wilkinson also stuck the proverbial two fingers up to the few who rubbish his ability in order that they may justify the manager playing square pegs in round holes. It was as good a full back display as you will see anywhere in the Premier League this season. Talking of square pegs we saw again confirmation of the impact Walters has as a central striker compared to the non-entity he is reduced to as a wide player as used the week before at Sunderland. The idea that he should be started out wide to suite a negative away game plan was exposed as nonsense. All but a couple of see no evils had already fathomed that of course. The idea that Woodgate is some sort of failed "experiment' as has been suggested recently was demolished by a further display of his international standard ability. All we need now is to stop fucking ourselves over with our away line ups and approach and we will be a real player in this league! Goodness me, if this continues our favourite band of apologists who have tried to suppress the ideas above are going to have to abandon their stock lines on here! yorker, stumps aots. Well bowled Mark
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Post by mayf on Sept 25, 2011 16:44:19 GMT
march4,lives in a fantasy world, FACT !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 16:44:20 GMT
Pennant also looks far more dangerous with Wilko in the team. Huth offers nothing in open play when we have the ball when he plays at right back.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 25, 2011 16:47:38 GMT
Andrew Wilkinson is a centre back - fact Marc Wilson is a centre back - fact Two facts, undeniable and irrefutable, unless you occupy the 'middle ground' which seems to be some alternative universe. ;D Go on then marchy, I'll play. There are dozens of player profiles on the net from various sources. We'll assume that more or less all of them list the players in question as "centre back". However, I'll be generous, all I'll ask you to do is to find two player profiles for each player that refer to them exclusively as centre backs. As your "facts" are undeniable and irrefutable, this shouldn't take more than a minute or two.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 25, 2011 16:48:13 GMT
Pennant also looks far more dangerous with Wilko in the team. Huth offers nothing in open play when we have the ball when he plays at right back. Indeed .... the team has much better shape when Wilko is in there and I really don't think it's a coincidence, that ultimately we created far more chances for our forwards yesterday, than in any other game this season.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 25, 2011 16:50:03 GMT
Andrew Wilkinson is a centre back - fact Marc Wilson is a centre back - fact Two facts, undeniable and irrefutable, unless you occupy the 'middle ground' which seems to be some alternative universe. But they don't play as centre backs at full back in the way that Huth does do they? Do you think that was a classic "centre back at full back"'s performance by Wilko yesterday? I'm trying to imagine the rage on March's face when Wilko stormed into the box to thunder in the drive that the keeper tipped onto the woodwork. While the rest of us were cheering, March was probably giving Wilko some advice about deserting his defensive post!
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 25, 2011 16:55:33 GMT
But they don't play as centre backs at full back in the way that Huth does do they? Do you think that was a classic "centre back at full back"'s performance by Wilko yesterday? I'm trying to imagine the rage on March's face when Wilko stormed into the box to thunder in the drive that the keeper tipped onto the woodwork. While the rest of us were cheering, March was probably giving Wilko some advice about deserting his defensive post! I bet there was much mashing of teeth when Stoke were passing the ball about looking like a football team.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 25, 2011 16:58:22 GMT
I'm trying to imagine the rage on March's face when Wilko stormed into the box to thunder in the drive that the keeper tipped onto the woodwork. While the rest of us were cheering, March was probably giving Wilko some advice about deserting his defensive post! I bet there was much mashing of teeth when Stoke were passing the ball about looking like a football team. Yes the tippy tappy shite was getting a bit boring!
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 25, 2011 16:58:32 GMT
Andrew Wilkinson is a centre back - fact Marc Wilson is a centre back - fact Two facts, undeniable and irrefutable, unless you occupy the 'middle ground' which seems to be some alternative universe. Give over, Marchy. Wilko is about as natural a full-back as you'll see. Gary Neville started as a centre-half, but things change as attributes become clear. Wilko hasn't really played centre-half since his YTS days - and Wilson's only experience at centre-half is 6-7 games filling in there during a Pompey injury crisis where it was a choice of him or Avram Grant's 'masseuse' - and he drew the short straw.
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Post by Paddypotter on Sept 25, 2011 17:07:36 GMT
Wilko has played in 161 games for Stoke, ALL as a fullback (a couple at LB) but still as fullback) His last loan period with Blackpool (where he may have played as CB) ended 02.01.2007
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Sept 25, 2011 17:11:06 GMT
Wilko is definitely a full back, March. Wilson is a central midfielder aswell. Sorry, you can't have that one - even if you do extend their names to the maximum amount of letters in trying to prove your point...
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Post by Davef on Sept 25, 2011 17:20:50 GMT
Who are these two full backs? I saw 4 centre backs playing in our defence yesterday or are the 'middle grounders' rewriting history yet again I've always said you see what you think you want to see, March. What about this Woodgate experiment you have been telling us is over? Don't mention the Woodgate Experiment. I mentioned it once, and I think I got away it.
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Sept 25, 2011 17:27:55 GMT
Wilkinson is not a centre back and is getting better all the time at full back, he never gives in and seems to be resisting diving in which was his biggest problem. I think Upson and Woodgate are helping him as well as Shawcross to stay on their feet which is a big plus.
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Post by neoisd1 on Sept 25, 2011 17:30:35 GMT
Wilko was quality. I can't recall him having many bad games for us at right back. He deserves to keep the shirt now. Exactly this. Wilko deserves a run of games, Pennant also seems to play better when Wilko plays right back. Huth starts at right back and Pennant just doesn't seem the same player.
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Post by stokie25 on Sept 25, 2011 17:32:47 GMT
Wilko's only achilles heel, as it were, at full back is that he's been a bit raw and sporadic there. Whatever has happened to develop him in the role is working superbly. In fact most of the challenges yesterday were well timed and intelligent and a joy to see.
Francis was credited by Wilkins as being an incredible defensive coach...perhaps the answer lies there
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Sept 25, 2011 17:39:37 GMT
Good to see one or three apologist"s lines swept away in a tremendous performance. A game that was end to end at times killed for ever the notion that if we take the game to the big clubs we get thrashed. For the first time we have a real go at Man United and get our first point. The comical excuses that are made for not playing full backs in the full back positions was blown out of the water. Wilkinson in particular showed how a full back who is a full back adds a whole new dimension to our play without reducing our defensive area effectiveness. Wilkinson also stuck the proverbial two fingers up to the few who rubbish his ability in order that they may justify the manager playing square pegs in round holes. It was as good a full back display as you will see anywhere in the Premier League this season. Talking of square pegs we saw again confirmation of the impact Walters has as a central striker compared to the non-entity he is reduced to as a wide player as used the week before at Sunderland. The idea that he should be started out wide to suite a negative away game plan was exposed as nonsense. All but a couple of see no evils had already fathomed that of course. The idea that Woodgate is some sort of failed "experiment' as has been suggested recently was demolished by a further display of his international standard ability. All we need now is to stop fucking ourselves over with our away line ups and approach and we will be a real player in this league! Goodness me, if this continues our favourite band of apologists who have tried to suppress the ideas above are going to have to abandon their stock lines on here! If only you were our manager we could have been here years ago. But don't be so modest in future, there are probably some people who didn't realise it was down to you. (Not one mention of the current manager I notice? How strange, when things are gonig badly you mention him ever such a lot).
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Post by jen on Sept 25, 2011 17:45:30 GMT
Good to see one or three apologist"s lines swept away in a tremendous performance. A game that was end to end at times killed for ever the notion that if we take the game to the big clubs we get thrashed. For the first time we have a real go at Man United and get our first point. The comical excuses that are made for not playing full backs in the full back positions was blown out of the water. Wilkinson in particular showed how a full back who is a full back adds a whole new dimension to our play without reducing our defensive area effectiveness. Wilkinson also stuck the proverbial two fingers up to the few who rubbish his ability in order that they may justify the manager playing square pegs in round holes. It was as good a full back display as you will see anywhere in the Premier League this season. Talking of square pegs we saw again confirmation of the impact Walters has as a central striker compared to the non-entity he is reduced to as a wide player as used the week before at Sunderland. The idea that he should be started out wide to suite a negative away game plan was exposed as nonsense. All but a couple of see no evils had already fathomed that of course. The idea that Woodgate is some sort of failed "experiment' as has been suggested recently was demolished by a further display of his international standard ability. All we need now is to stop fucking ourselves over with our away line ups and approach and we will be a real player in this league! Goodness me, if this continues our favourite band of apologists who have tried to suppress the ideas above are going to have to abandon their stock lines on here! How about giving the manager some credit then - or are you too bitter?
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Post by Orbs on Sept 25, 2011 17:48:00 GMT
Good to see one or three apologist"s lines swept away in a tremendous performance. A game that was end to end at times killed for ever the notion that if we take the game to the big clubs we get thrashed. For the first time we have a real go at Man United and get our first point. The comical excuses that are made for not playing full backs in the full back positions was blown out of the water. Wilkinson in particular showed how a full back who is a full back adds a whole new dimension to our play without reducing our defensive area effectiveness. Wilkinson also stuck the proverbial two fingers up to the few who rubbish his ability in order that they may justify the manager playing square pegs in round holes. It was as good a full back display as you will see anywhere in the Premier League this season. Talking of square pegs we saw again confirmation of the impact Walters has as a central striker compared to the non-entity he is reduced to as a wide player as used the week before at Sunderland. The idea that he should be started out wide to suite a negative away game plan was exposed as nonsense. All but a couple of see no evils had already fathomed that of course. The idea that Woodgate is some sort of failed "experiment' as has been suggested recently was demolished by a further display of his international standard ability. All we need now is to stop fucking ourselves over with our away line ups and approach and we will be a real player in this league! Goodness me, if this continues our favourite band of apologists who have tried to suppress the ideas above are going to have to abandon their stock lines on here! If only you were our manager we could have been here years ago. But don't be so modest in future, there are probably some people who didn't realise it was down to you. (Not one mention of the current manager I notice? How strange, when things are gonig badly you mention him ever such a lot). ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 25, 2011 17:51:46 GMT
Good to see one or three apologist"s lines swept away in a tremendous performance. A game that was end to end at times killed for ever the notion that if we take the game to the big clubs we get thrashed. For the first time we have a real go at Man United and get our first point. The comical excuses that are made for not playing full backs in the full back positions was blown out of the water. Wilkinson in particular showed how a full back who is a full back adds a whole new dimension to our play without reducing our defensive area effectiveness. Wilkinson also stuck the proverbial two fingers up to the few who rubbish his ability in order that they may justify the manager playing square pegs in round holes. It was as good a full back display as you will see anywhere in the Premier League this season. Talking of square pegs we saw again confirmation of the impact Walters has as a central striker compared to the non-entity he is reduced to as a wide player as used the week before at Sunderland. The idea that he should be started out wide to suite a negative away game plan was exposed as nonsense. All but a couple of see no evils had already fathomed that of course. The idea that Woodgate is some sort of failed "experiment' as has been suggested recently was demolished by a further display of his international standard ability. All we need now is to stop fucking ourselves over with our away line ups and approach and we will be a real player in this league! Goodness me, if this continues our favourite band of apologists who have tried to suppress the ideas above are going to have to abandon their stock lines on here! If only you were our manager we could have been here years ago. But don't be so modest in future, there are probably some people who didn't realise it was down to you. (Not one mention of the current manager I notice? How strange, when things are gonig badly you mention him ever such a lot). What's up, someone pissed on your fire? I bet you hated yesterday didn't you? All that passing, moving, creating chances, going toe to toe with the champIons and not looking second best. Plucky Stoke should know their role.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2011 17:53:18 GMT
Wilkinson-Huth-Shawcross-Wilson
Upson 1st Sub Woodgate 2nd sub
Any other opinion is idiotic
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Sept 25, 2011 17:58:52 GMT
Huth with Upson or Woodgate would also work as i THINK like most central defenders Shawcoss's best is still to come as he's only 23.
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Post by tazi on Sept 25, 2011 18:24:58 GMT
Well, the Messiah did say it'll take 3 years for Stoke City football club to push on and in that time he's built up a good quality squad.
He played how he saw fit with the personal that was at the club upon our promotion which has ultimately led to us becoming more attractive to better quality players and then he's actually brought this quality to the club.
In terms of entertainment Pulis walked before he could run and this gradually allowed him to attract quality to the club which ultimately leads to better football.
All of the above leads to it being of no co-incidence as to why we got our first point against Man Utd but it's something i wouldn't expect to see when we're away from home against the top 4 clubs.
Working a treat up to yet....
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 25, 2011 18:33:43 GMT
I love seeing these myths busted and a fair few myths have been busted over the past few years the "hoofball is the only way for all time" brigade being almost as deluded as the "Pulis will never..." brigade.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 25, 2011 19:08:01 GMT
Good to see one or three apologist"s lines swept away in a tremendous performance. A game that was end to end at times killed for ever the notion that if we take the game to the big clubs we get thrashed. For the first time we have a real go at Man United and get our first point. The comical excuses that are made for not playing full backs in the full back positions was blown out of the water. Wilkinson in particular showed how a full back who is a full back adds a whole new dimension to our play without reducing our defensive area effectiveness. Wilkinson also stuck the proverbial two fingers up to the few who rubbish his ability in order that they may justify the manager playing square pegs in round holes. It was as good a full back display as you will see anywhere in the Premier League this season. Talking of square pegs we saw again confirmation of the impact Walters has as a central striker compared to the non-entity he is reduced to as a wide player as used the week before at Sunderland. The idea that he should be started out wide to suite a negative away game plan was exposed as nonsense. All but a couple of see no evils had already fathomed that of course. The idea that Woodgate is some sort of failed "experiment' as has been suggested recently was demolished by a further display of his international standard ability. All we need now is to stop fucking ourselves over with our away line ups and approach and we will be a real player in this league! Goodness me, if this continues our favourite band of apologists who have tried to suppress the ideas above are going to have to abandon their stock lines on here! If only you were our manager we could have been here years ago. But don't be so modest in future, there are probably some people who didn't realise it was down to you. (Not one mention of the current manager I notice? How strange, when things are gonig badly you mention him ever such a lot). How weird to be accused of having a lop-sided view of the manager by one of the small handful of people who have trundled in to every mild criticism of the manager with a full blown denial that there is any problem what so ever. It must have killed you and your like to watch us up and at em yesterday. Supporters of the football club have been crying out for a more progressive approach in these type of games for a long time whilst see no evils like you have done nothing but rubbish the whole notion. I understand it's difficult for a Pulis Poodle like you to handle criticism of what happens at the club but you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the paying public knows when it watching shite and when it is not without holding a UEFA A licence and being appointed as manager of Barcelona. If you feel that no one but the manager can comment on how we play you are wasting your time here and at matches.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 25, 2011 19:14:52 GMT
Well, the Messiah did say it'll take 3 years for Stoke City football club to push on and in that time he's built up a good quality squad. He played how he saw fit with the personal that was at the club upon our promotion which has ultimately led to us becoming more attractive to better quality players and then he's actually brought this quality to the club. In terms of entertainment Pulis walked before he could run and this gradually allowed him to attract quality to the club which ultimately leads to better football. All of the above leads to it being of no co-incidence as to why we got our first point against Man Utd but it's something i wouldn't expect to see when we're away from home against the top 4 clubs. Working a treat up to yet.... Steady on Tazi. You may have to find a reverse gear yet. It's only a week ago that we were getting thrashed playing the standard away garbage. Negative, square pegs etc etc! If the next stage plan suddenly arrived in a rush yesterday I'm delighted but I would hold off proclaiming the evolving Messiah until a bit more evidence is presented. With a bit of luck the Sunderland result and performance may have prompted the same effect as the West Ham thrashing last season where we went on to adapt the system and become much more positive.
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Post by Orbs on Sept 25, 2011 19:22:24 GMT
"Proclaiming the evolving Messiah"
;D ;D
Premier League survival FA Cup runners up European football 3 cracking results against Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd
Suppose Tone hasn't yet found a cure for Cancer though eh? What the fuck is he playing at?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 19:26:20 GMT
"Proclaiming the evolving Messiah" ;D ;D Premier League survival FA Cup runners up European football 3 cracking results against Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd Suppose Tone hasn't yet found a cure for Cancer though eh? What the fuck is he playing at? ;D ;D brilliant mate but a certain few will never look at it that way.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 25, 2011 19:40:23 GMT
"Proclaiming the evolving Messiah" ;D ;D Premier League survival FA Cup runners up European football 3 cracking results against Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd Suppose Tone hasn't yet found a cure for Cancer though eh? What the fuck is he playing at? ;D ;D brilliant mate but a certain few will never look at it that way. All true but the relevance of the discussion was that Tazi denied that we change tack at all last season and that any evolution was necessary or desirable. I was trying to calm him down before he started sounding like the rest of us the next time we are out. Thanks for that though. It was really helpful.
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 25, 2011 19:43:15 GMT
You're no Kari Byron, Mark.
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