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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 14, 2011 22:11:49 GMT
Ronaldo is on a totally different level to Messi. Hes the best player of all time in my eyes. The complete player and HAS crucially performed on the big stage, ffs surely as English we should remember the damage he caused us on the big stage. I love it how one poster says Ronaldo doesnt do it in the big games but Messi does. Messi has never done it for Argentina, and lets be fair if Jon Walters was playing ahead of Xavi and Iniesta as apposed to Rory Delap and Dean Whitehead I suspect he'd be banging in 20 a season (in a division where West Brom reject Valero is the main man). Ronaldo has totally destroyed that division scoring 70 goals in 65 games which is unreal. Its too easy for him. But then most crucially he tore the premier league to shreds too. A fucking incredible player, and mystical descent you should show some respect for probably the best player to grace the planet. Really what kind of a view is that? For the record he scored an out of form hatrick against us.
edit: my bad he scored 2 in that game!
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 14, 2011 22:42:54 GMT
Ronaldo is on a totally different level to Messi. Hes the best player of all time in my eyes. The complete player and HAS crucially performed on the big stage, ffs surely as English we should remember the damage he caused us on the big stage. I love it how one poster says Ronaldo doesnt do it in the big games but Messi does. Messi has never done it for Argentina, and lets be fair if Jon Walters was playing ahead of Xavi and Iniesta as apposed to Rory Delap and Dean Whitehead I suspect he'd be banging in 20 a season (in a division where West Brom reject Valero is the main man). Ronaldo has totally destroyed that division scoring 70 goals in 65 games which is unreal. Its too easy for him. But then most crucially he tore the premier league to shreds too. A fucking incredible player, and mystical descent you should show some respect for probably the best player to grace the planet. Really what kind of a view is that? For the record he scored an out of form hatrick against us. edit: my bad he scored 2 in that game! He's a grade A cunt and doesn't deserve to be remembered as anything other than a talented player who was reviled in this country for being a grade A cunt. For the record, he was shit in that game where he scored two against us. I was there. He toe bunted two free-kicks in, and Sorensen should have stopped them both, easily. One went straight through his hands, the other squeezed in between him and his near post. Both were regulation saves, but his Achilles' Heel was always his ability to stop free-kicks. Other than that, he was the worst player on the pitch. Imagine that, you're playing for a team who are 5 up and you're the worst player on the pitch. He was atrocious. They passed the ball to him and he did one of two things: 1) Chip it harmlessly into the goalkeeper's hands. 2) Take on one player too many and get tackled. In short, he was garbage and bordering on a liability. Against us at The Brit, he was utterly anonymous and kept quiet by Andy Wilkinson. Not a world class full-back, just Andy Wilkinson. He should have been sent off and got Wilkinson sent off, but otherwise had no impact. That sums him up as a man and as an over-rated piece of shit whose retirement will be celebrated by all who still cherish a game played according to the ideals that it was founded upon. Players like him have no place in football. No place at all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2011 22:50:20 GMT
Ronaldo is on a totally different level to Messi. Hes the best player of all time in my eyes. The complete player and HAS crucially performed on the big stage, ffs surely as English we should remember the damage he caused us on the big stage. I love it how one poster says Ronaldo doesnt do it in the big games but Messi does. Messi has never done it for Argentina, and lets be fair if Jon Walters was playing ahead of Xavi and Iniesta as apposed to Rory Delap and Dean Whitehead I suspect he'd be banging in 20 a season (in a division where West Brom reject Valero is the main man). Ronaldo has totally destroyed that division scoring 70 goals in 65 games which is unreal. Its too easy for him. But then most crucially he tore the premier league to shreds too. A fucking incredible player, and mystical descent you should show some respect for probably the best player to grace the planet. Really what kind of a view is that? For the record he scored an out of form hatrick against us. edit: my bad he scored 2 in that game! When has Ronaldo ever destroyed England? Cole always has him in his back pocket.
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Post by stokeyouth on Sept 14, 2011 23:09:13 GMT
Ronaldo is on a totally different level to Messi. Hes the best player of all time in my eyes. The complete player and HAS crucially performed on the big stage, ffs surely as English we should remember the damage he caused us on the big stage. I love it how one poster says Ronaldo doesnt do it in the big games but Messi does. Messi has never done it for Argentina, and lets be fair if Jon Walters was playing ahead of Xavi and Iniesta as apposed to Rory Delap and Dean Whitehead I suspect he'd be banging in 20 a season (in a division where West Brom reject Valero is the main man). Ronaldo has totally destroyed that division scoring 70 goals in 65 games which is unreal. Its too easy for him. But then most crucially he tore the premier league to shreds too. A fucking incredible player, and mystical descent you should show some respect for probably the best player to grace the planet. Really what kind of a view is that? For the record he scored an out of form hatrick against us. edit: my bad he scored 2 in that game! When has Ronaldo ever destroyed England? Cole always has him in his back pocket. I remember an interview before the Chelsea/Barca game, saying how Messi was easily the best because he's a team player. When he played Ronaldo, if you got the better of him once, he was out of the game. He'd dive, cheat, winge and hog the ball just to try and do something good. If you played Messi and got the better of him once. He'd shake it off and be the same player, a team player and he'd still produce that magnificent run or pass to make space for the team to score, rather than Ronaldo doing 54 stepovers in pointless positions. The best players on this planet ever, never played in the Prem. Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Zidane, Zico, Kahn, Di Stefano. The list goes on. Messi is the best on the planet.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 14, 2011 23:09:28 GMT
Messi by a country mile. He has the balance and poise of a modern day George Best and like Best is also a team player, Ronaldo is only ever concerned about himself.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Sept 15, 2011 0:20:54 GMT
Ronaldo is on a totally different level to Messi. Hes the best player of all time in my eyes. The complete player and HAS crucially performed on the big stage, ffs surely as English we should remember the damage he caused us on the big stage. I love it how one poster says Ronaldo doesnt do it in the big games but Messi does. Messi has never done it for Argentina, and lets be fair if Jon Walters was playing ahead of Xavi and Iniesta as apposed to Rory Delap and Dean Whitehead I suspect he'd be banging in 20 a season (in a division where West Brom reject Valero is the main man). Ronaldo has totally destroyed that division scoring 70 goals in 65 games which is unreal. Its too easy for him. But then most crucially he tore the premier league to shreds too. A fucking incredible player, and mystical descent you should show some respect for probably the best player to grace the planet. Really what kind of a view is that? For the record he scored an out of form hatrick against us. edit: my bad he scored 2 in that game! What a load of poo.
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Post by roby55 on Sept 15, 2011 0:31:35 GMT
People are forgetting when mentioning the likes of Maradonna,zidane,Cruyff etc that THEY did play in the best Leauge in the world Not in England obviously but the Best League in the world at their time which was Italy and Spain who are miles ahead of England First division in the old days
People are only hating on Ronaldo because Hes a Grade A cunt and Messi is what you call 'Good guy' Yes Ronaldo is a fucking twat but his footballing skills is immense and in this Generation He is no doubt the Best along with Messi
70 Goals in 65 appearance is fucking Unreal
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Post by Zero on Sept 15, 2011 10:32:31 GMT
Eh, both Messi and Ronaldo have been closed down before, team players or not. Ronaldo may have tried getting a player who was frustrating him sent off unjustly, but Barcelona did it in a Champion's League semi-final. Both can be bastards, neither is invulnerable.
I think that this is a pretty strange label. It's not clear how Ronaldo and Messi are to be compared with the great defenders of history, for example, let alone called 'better'. It's always interesting that when most people talk of the 'best players' of all time they tend to default to stylish offensive players, although that kind of prejudice is pretty strongly ingrained in modern football, which is also why every team that threatens Barcelona is playing 'anti-football', etc. It might make sense to talk about one's favourite players to watch (Pepe being mine in La Liga, etc.), but being nice to watch and being the best are quite distinct achievements.
For that matter, though, football has always had great players, such as Inter's Luis Suarez, and I'm not sure there's any reasonable basis to declare Messi and Ronaldo superior to them; in addition, times have changed a bit, and I'm not sure that Messi would have done nearly as well back in the age of defenders like Claudio Gentile (we already saw how aggrieved Barcelona were about Pepe.) Unlike, say, sprinting, where fitness standards and methods go up over time and hence sprinters now are generally going to be better than earlier ones, football is a complex task and tactical game, and hence need not follow a linear progression. I certainly don't think that talking about the best footballers would have real significance when it comes to actually managing or setting out a club, where one has many different requirements and many different 'best players'; not only best defenders, but best defenders of a certain type, best defenders of a certain type for a certain tactical set-up, and that's not even taking into account mentality in relation to squad mentality and so on.
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