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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2004 13:40:54 GMT
my mate on my uni course has just told us that he hates the Americans coz they did a piss poor remake of the Italian Job!! He's a self confessed fascist bought up in the country of no hopers.
the Welsh guy hates them coz they think that Wales is just a small town in England (well....yeah)
the housemate says he doesnt hate Americans...he hates the Cornish....& ive just insulted him by calling him Cornish...when he's from Devon.....big mistake in that tail of the woods.
i hate them coz they are greedy bastards and dont have pubs...they have bars
whats everyone elses reason?
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Post by GlennA on Mar 11, 2004 13:43:39 GMT
Personally I've never met an American I didn't like.
Generous, outgoing people with enormous energy and a willingness to get along with everyone.
Having said that, I've never met any of the wankers who govern them. I think that's where the problem lies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2004 13:49:03 GMT
fair shout...its the shows like Friends that they have that apparently portray life in where ever they live. they prob all decent people really, just those White house wankers
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Post by StokieSC on Mar 11, 2004 14:02:22 GMT
Got no real reason to hate America, never been there, or met one so hard to pass judgement. Most of it comes down to Jealousy IMHO. The Setember the 11th attacks really got to me, felt as if was one of our own. My only gripes with them is the (Sorry Smudge, Pricey etc) Shite sports they play and the fact they call Football ''Soccer''
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Post by dude on Mar 11, 2004 14:04:56 GMT
Bit of a generalisation to say you hate Americans. Are they all the same?
Have to say I find them some of the most hospitable folk in the world when visiting. Polite, friendly etc Can't speak for them all as I have yet to have the pleasure of meeting the entire poulation and pigeon holing them as a result.
Some can be loud but can't some British folk etc as well.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 11, 2004 14:17:05 GMT
i hate americans, i dont know why, theyve done nothing to me, its just there way of life, and there humor and there personalitys, and there weight problem, and the fact theyre the greatest nation in the world. theyre so egotistical
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Post by GlennA on Mar 11, 2004 14:23:17 GMT
Their spelling, punctuation and grammar are pretty good.
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Post by StokieSC on Mar 11, 2004 14:26:03 GMT
i hate americans, i dont know why, theyve done nothing to me, its just there way of life, and there humor and there personalitys, and there weight problem, and the fact theyre the greatest nation in the world. theyre so egotistical They wouldnt tolerate this Asylum problem uh oh another can of worms
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Post by GlennA on Mar 11, 2004 14:30:52 GMT
Damn right. American solutions to race 'problems' have always been ruthless and highly effective. I think we should introduce mob lynchings here.*
*I'm being sarcastic.
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Post by Coll40 on Mar 11, 2004 15:00:29 GMT
Wow - Me and Glenn agree on something. He said, "Personally I've never met an American I didn't like. Generous, outgoing people with enormous energy and a willingness to get along with everyone." Then I got exited when he said " Damn right. American solutions to race 'problems' have always been ruthless and highly effective. I think we should introduce mob lynchings here.*" ;D Then I noticed the asterisk. *I'm being sarcastic. But seriously, I went to Florida in 2000, and all the yanks we met were very friendly, helpful and genuinely interested in all things English. Even met a Shop owner who loved English football and new a bit about Stoke. We're going back this year for hopefully more of the same
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Post by POS51 on Mar 11, 2004 15:03:54 GMT
I've met a few Yanks, they are always polite. Though a little over weight Easy to take the piss out of, they really dont get irony. Spent a good few hours in a pub once in histerics with a group of Americans over here through Uni, they really dont understand English humour! Nice guys though, Canadians, now they're funny. Very sarcastic.
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Post by haj23scfc on Mar 11, 2004 15:08:25 GMT
Hate some Americans and the Political/Business System
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Post by eddy on Mar 11, 2004 15:17:33 GMT
haha Americans rule!!! Worked at a summer camp over the summer, taught them about the greatest soccer i mean football side ever! The kids are great, they are well sheltered in their lives - they know hardly anything about the outside world, most cant even name 2 English cities! You get the anoying ones but most are wicked! They have no history & go on about independence day a lot! Everything is so much bigger over there - the Baltimore Orioles stadium Bad things - they love the cha cha slide, i cant stop saying the word awesome! Cant wait to go back this summer, hot weather, fit birds & playing football everyday ahhhhhh recomend it to anyone www.ccusa.comGeorge Bush - what a legend!
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Post by ks on Mar 11, 2004 15:22:49 GMT
Question is why do people hate America, as opposed to Americans. A bit like asking why do people hate Man Utd as opposed to a particular Man Utd fan, such as my sister who I don't hate, but there are many things about her club of allegiance I do hate.
And like Man Utd, the US are a big, rich, successful entity seen by many as arrogant in policy and able to bulldoze over the needs of the little guy to get what they want.
If you lived in a village of 100 people and 1 person owned 85% of the wealth and left many of the others to starve to death without lifting a finger (except when there is something in it for them, e.g. a UN vote on a crucial foreing policy issue which leads to a reciprocal agreement which the other party has no real choice but to enter - USAID) then you'd expect resentment from the other 99 people.
And, like the British Empire, this is coupled with a cultural isolationism and aloofness from the concerns of other nations. A bit like Man U not giving a shit if Oldham go bust.
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Post by owner on Mar 11, 2004 15:55:16 GMT
Many people hate the good for being good. This is the root of the hatred of America and Americans. Americans respect individual rights and pursue their selfish interests. This has led to the creation of the most successful, powerful and moral country the world has ever seen. On 9-11 the Islamic terrorists targeted the greatest symbols of freedom and prosperity – ideals that they despise - the WTC. People in the West hate America for the same reasons and by doing so sanction the destruction of America, the West, and ultimately themselves.
The attack on America that it never lifts a finger to help the rest of the world unless there’s something in it for them is unfortunately false. What does America gain from funding the UN, an organisation whose purpose seems to be to destroy America and Israel? What does America have to gain by paying money and blood to liberate Liberia? What does America have to gain by fighting the most apologetic war of all time in the Middle East, where soldiers have to consult lawyers before they can defend themselves, where aid is showered on their enemies, where Mosques are saved at the expense of American lives?
Self-sacrifice is the root of America’s problems not a means to ending them.
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Post by ks on Mar 11, 2004 16:24:02 GMT
The US do portray an image of unselfish giving, but this is unfortunately false when you scratch the surface. Many US AID agreements revolve around aid packages to financially screwed countries with a free trade agreement that opens up the way to giving US corporations unrestricted access to that country's 'emerging markets'. These countries often do not have any real choice in the short term, but the agreement is worth more to the US in terms of trade or in terms of gaining a vote on the UN for a controversial foreign policy objective that said country would otherwise have no interest in voting for.
Another favourite is to intervene by deposing a foreign leader who opposes American foreign policy, which backfires in the long run, viz the Shah in Iraq or the Russians in Afghanistan. Such intervention often causes huge loss of life in the ensuing power vacuum and resulting civil war, buy which time the US have long exited the scene.
Or pushing US corporations goods abroad, irrespective of the consequences. Such as GM seed for Monsanto, which gives a high-yield crop for a starving nation, but cannot be reseeded, causing that nation to be irrevocably hooked into buying more seed from Monsanto. This is not a piece of selfless giving, it's raw exploitation of the starving.
Such incidents escalate during administrations like Bush's, and were generally less prevalent during administrations like Clinton's. Also, Clinton was more prone to approving humanitarian intervention missions like Kosovo, where there is no oil incentive like there is in Iraq.
Then the whole thing is dressed up to the world as a marvellous piece of selfless giving from the US, when those on the receiving end know full well that this is not the case. That's why American policy too often causes the US to be hated.
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Post by ks on Mar 11, 2004 16:35:09 GMT
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Post by owner on Mar 11, 2004 16:45:37 GMT
You say that the US gives aid to a country (benefit to that country) in return for that country opening its markets to the US (benefit to both US and that country). This is a win-win situation yet you word it as if it’s something evil.
Intervention in Afghanistan to fight the Communists is entirely America’s right as an act of self-defence since Communism stands opposed to America’s ideals and threatens her freedom. Intervention in the Middle East is also an act of self-defence as Islamic terrorists only exist with the sanction and support of Islamic states. America has decades of Islamic terrorism against her. To argue that these states have any right to exist and that America is the initiator of force is an evasion of reality.
US corporations are free to pursue their interests in voluntary trade in any country that allows them. There is no exploitation in voluntary trade. Note Monsanto does not have the power of guns, it simply provides low cost food. Again, you seem to think this is evil.
I agree that Kosovo was an act of altruism. America was not served by destroying Americans wealth and lives here.
“marvellous piece of selfless giving” is a contradiction. If people hate the US for producing the best and demanding the best from its trading partners in voluntary trade then they are guilty of hating the good for being good.
I’m not surprised to see you being a fan of the millionaire socialist and leading anti-American Michael Moore. If you spot any truth in any of his sentences please let me know.
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Post by ks on Mar 11, 2004 17:01:45 GMT
Owner, fair enough tha Micheal Moore can be seen as a little too off the wall, some of his views are a bit too 'conspiracy theory' for me. But the other book reads like a masters thesis into the subject, and it details far more dispassionately than I do many more examples of such instances of American cultural and economic imperialism. And it's written by two Americans to try to understand why the world hates America so much that they might perpetrate terrorist acts against them.
9/11 was a sick and evil act, but if you assume that its perpetrators were just simply madmen then you miss an opportunity to take a good look at the effects of western foreign policy on the poor nations of the world. Something caused them to resent America enough to do this, and it's criminal to simply brush it off and carry on as if we're blameless in this situation.
Please note: I am not justifying 9/11, it was sick and evil. As is the Madrid bombing today. But people don't get that angry without some degree of provocation. That's what this book is looking at - what provoked such a reaction? Why do they hate the US?
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Post by slangking on Mar 11, 2004 17:31:29 GMT
Intervention in Afghanistan to fight the Communists is entirely America’s right as an act of self-defence since Communism stands opposed to America’s ideals and threatens her freedom.
Sorry owner that is so mind-blowingly arrogant, typically American. People try to drag themselves out of poverty and here comes America to bomb it before it can get going, strange how they didn't attack China in the same way? that wouldn't be because they are a bunch of cowards now would it?
They totally fuct up South America in the same way, allowing military governments to exterminate the opposition because it was opposed to good ol' America. People who say that Americans have nowt to do with their own government really make me angry, their sleep-walking Stepford Wife stupidity allows their cuntish government/multi-national agency to oppress the rest of the world.
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Post by owner on Mar 11, 2004 17:38:43 GMT
Kenilworth_Stokies, Is America guilty of Imperialism? Imperialism is: “The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.” - www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/i/i0057600.htmlI think by that definition no. Imperialism is just a catch-phrase for anti-Americans who don’t know what they’re talking about. Why do the terrorists hate America? America is built on a foundation of individual rights, rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness. America stands for freedom, justice, and success on this earth here and now. America lives by reason, science, advancement of human life, conquering nature. Americans recognise that none of this is available to altruists and only living a selfish life is the way to happiness. I use selfish here not in the altruists’ perversion of the word that a murderer or robber acts selfishly – they don’t – I use it in its true meaning, rational self-interest. On the opposing side are altruists, those who preach self-sacrifice either to a god(s) or society. Islamic states don’t recognise the rights of the individual, they enslave their peoples and all too often murder them. They stand opposed to scientific advancement, there are no arts to speak of, nature isn’t to be conquered but is the will of Allah. They don’t accept that the mind is the root of all wealth, but that prayer is (and besides “money is the root of all evil”). Life isn’t to be enjoyed but sacrificed to a supernatural being as the afterlife provides all enjoyment. They are diametrically opposed ideas and cultures. Islamic states call for nothing but a total destruction of America. If America has any guilt in this war it is in not recognising the nature of the threat and not responding anywhere near violently enough.
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Post by slangking on Mar 11, 2004 17:42:14 GMT
Strange I thought American built itself up on slavery?
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Post by ks on Mar 11, 2004 17:44:36 GMT
Note Monsanto does not have the power of guns, it simply provides low cost food. Again, you seem to think this is evil. Well, that's the point isn't it? America backs up its economic policy abroad with the biggest military arsenal ever assembled. “marvellous piece of selfless giving” is a contradiction. If people hate the US for producing the best and demanding the best from its trading partners in voluntary trade then they are guilty of hating the good for being good. It would be if that trade was voluntary, as it is it's too often extracted from desparate nations under pressure, at unequal terms. I’m not surprised to see you being a fan of the millionaire socialist and leading anti-American Michael Moore. If you spot any truth in any of his sentences please let me know. Micheal more is American. And very critical of the way his country exploits others and uses armed foorce to intervene in other countries politics, and how this directly contravenes the values the US was founded upon. What's your point here? KS.
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Post by ks on Mar 11, 2004 17:48:55 GMT
Owner, that's complete and utter bullshit. I've rarely read such a pamphlett of extremist bollocks in my life. Islam has been around for centuries and holds no such aims.
It really is black and white for you, isn't it? So completely devoid of empathy and understanding of another culture.
KS.
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Post by owner on Mar 11, 2004 17:51:53 GMT
slangking,
To help you see that this is an act of self-defence, consider a man pointing a gun at you telling you he is going to kill you. You have the right but not the obligation to use retaliatory force to disarm him and even kill him. So it is America’s choice which dictatorships it destroys. Dictatorships have no right to exist, but America has no obligation to destroy them.
“People try to drag themselves out of poverty” – are you implying Communism is way to drag yourself out of poverty?
I don’t see how they’ve messed anything up in South America. When a South American state is a threat to America, America must do what it can to eliminate that threat. I don’t think any South American state is much of a threat to America.
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Post by 339187 on Mar 11, 2004 17:56:58 GMT
Where are Admin when needed?
Boring Bin please.
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porsche007
Lads'n'Dads
SO LONG STINKTOWN !!!!
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Post by porsche007 on Mar 11, 2004 17:58:46 GMT
KS - MANU ARRANGED A FRIENDLY WITH OLDHAM AND PAUL SCHOLES PERSONALLY DONATED 100,000 LAST YEAR - mmmmmmm
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Post by slangking on Mar 11, 2004 18:00:50 GMT
America installed, supported and maintained puppet dictatorships in South America in order to prevent communism from spreading there and of course to make sure that their multi-nationals could continue to exploit it. You don't seem to know a great deal about this, history does stretch back further than September the 11th.
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Post by ks on Mar 11, 2004 18:01:33 GMT
porsche007,
Damnit! Bad example! ;D
KS.
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Post by slangking on Mar 11, 2004 18:01:44 GMT
Truth hurts 33333 ;D
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