I must be hard? based on what? a Avatar? Ive never know a internet 'message board' to be so petty and self rightgious?!
I wont apologise for the Avatar, i put it there because i wanted to, and for those who know and have met me, im not a hooligan, i dont have acriminal record and i dont intend to harm anyone with my beliefs....we all have them dont we?
Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 3, 2004 19:41:52 GMT
Thanks for reading what I wrote BeB. I am an English Protestant but my Irish Catholic auntie (who later married my English uncle) and her family were driven out of their home when she was about 20 because the local Protestants decided (long before the troubles started) that it would be a nice idea to have only Protestant families on "their" estate in Belfast. The Protestants were certainly not blameless believe me.
Wow slang king, You really know how to insult someone, Your name suits you well.
Forn, No problem mate, i am always willing to look at it from another persons view, It has given me more knowledge on the subject, and atleast know i understand more about what is being sung and the reasons behind it. I am sorry for your family, I suppose there is bad and good in every religeon.
eyehehhee, Well... I suppose this big discussion has come to an end with no one coming out of it a changed person or feeling any better, Apart from me because ive learnt somtihng new ty fornside for the knowledge
In all seriousness I always find that there is a 'sinister' air around some of those who start these songs off - especially at England games. Many of those who join in are probably not unlike yourselves, decent lads who just want to sing and get behind the team, yet the underlying hatred behind these songs is somehow lost.
Don't take this the wrong way, but isn't that how Hitler got started?
The most amusing thing about the brain dead monkey fucks who sing this song is that they have a Turkish born half Palestinian guy in their heart, whilst promoting their Englishness and denouncing a terrorist organisation.
Dripping in irony as they say. Dumbass knuckle dragging half wits.
The most amusing thing about the brain dead monkey fucks
Just say what you see Romford ;D
Seriously though chaps, hatred has no place in football (you might argue society too, but thats a topic for another day/board!) so songs about peoples religion, race, colour etc don't belong there.
I smiled at the Merson songs on Saturday, but I'm sure he has heard them all before and had the perfect answer with his dodgy corner routine, as did Denis Wise when Millwall last visited.
Songs filled with humour and passion for your club are what makes following football great (I mean lets face it, the games are crap 50% of the time!), not the bile of singing about something that has nothing at all to do with the game.
If you want to sing about such things, go and join your local BNP and go on a march!
BEB told me he was going to carry on singing it as long as it didn't really offend anyone.
Theres certainly no way I'm going to be classed as part of a group that sings "if you all hate Paki's clap your hands" and "No Surrender". I might get all the 'well fuck off Pricey then you prick' or 'dont be so soft' bullshit but the fact of the matter is that those singing these songs are in the wrong.
I'll openly admit now that I do have a problem with some members of the ethnic minority community of Stoke-on-Trent, but that has nothing to do with their race whatsoever and more to do with their general attitude towards me (in my experience at school and in life so far). I'd even say I've had more problems with these people than I have had with the white majority but like I say, only my world and no-one elses.
I certainly wouldn't even consider singing that chant at a Stoke match (or anywhere else for that matter). It is not only irrelavent to football/sport/humour/winding up the opposition and therefore has no place at a football match, but it is clearly racist even if people say they 'just hate Paki's and not blacks'.
"No Surrender" is just as bad, and people singing it because they 'are proud of their nation and hate the IRA' should do a bit of research into what exactly has gone on in that area of the world, why that song is sung and who by.
I have a feeling I'm wasting my time because thats what I was doing with BEB last night on MSN, but its led to me deciding I'm not going to sit in block 19 anymore so I thought I should have my say.
Dear Land of Hope, thy hope is crowned. God make thee mightier yet! On Sov'reign brows, beloved, renowned, Once more thy crown is set. Thine equal laws, by Freedom gained, Have ruled thee well and long; By Freedom gained, by Truth maintained, Thine Empire shall be strong.
Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free, How shall we extol thee, Who are born of thee? Wider still and wider Shall thy bounds be set; God, who made thee mighty, Make thee mightier yet.
Thy fame is ancient as the days, As Ocean large and wide A pride that dares, and heeds not praise, A stern and silent pride Not that false joy that dreams content With what our sires have won; The blood a hero sire hath spent Still nerves a hero son.
Jerusalem Words by William Blake (1757-1827)
And did those feet in ancient time Walk upon England's mountain green? And was the holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen? And did the countenance divine Shine forth upon our clouded hills? And was Jerusalem builded here Among those dark satanic mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold! Bring me my arrows of desire! Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold! Bring me my chariot of fire! I will not cease from mental fight, Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand, Till we have built Jerusalem In England's green and pleasant land.
It shouldn't matter whether they are from an ethnic background or not - Whites, Blacks, Asians can all be bloody rude and obnoxious, both within their own community and to others (eg Protestants and Catholics!, Seikh and Muslim etc)
If every bugger was a little less defensive of their own culture and a little less sensitive we might all get along better!
Agreed with the gist of what you were saying though!
It's just a few experiences I've had; for instance a couple of Muslim lads in a computer room at college last year (sitting RIGHT next to me) saying they would go and fight with Bin Laden. Also a group of asians set on my mate (he was 12 at the time) when he drew a swastika on his pencil case with felt-tip whilst arsing about in class (my mate didn't know what it really meant, and neither did they). They ganged up on him and gave him a bit of a beating. Add to that the general attitude that they thought they knew everything (despite being in the lower intelligence groups) and walked around like they owned place, brought knives into school and had absolutely no respect for authority and I've built up something of a catalogue of bad experiences which have led me to think this way.
Of course, there were people of all ethnic backgrounds at my school, many of them pissing me off just as much as the asian lads but for me to have an opinion like I do about them is either because of my social interaction with them in the 19 years I've been here, or due to some in-built pre-disposition I have.
Just so I'm not branded an outright racist the first friend I made at uni was Asian, and there are just as many good people from an ethnic minority culture as there are good people from a white culture. I'm not foolish enough to think any other way than that. (I probably shouldn't have added this paragraph but I'm not going to delete it anyway.)
Ok so this kid was just messing about drawing swastikas and they beat him up for it (good for them, didn't we do the same during WW2?) Then these Asian kids were talking about joining Bin Laden, but of course that was wholly serious and if they'd been beaten up for it fair enough I suppose?