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Post by fromafar07 on Mar 31, 2008 21:31:11 GMT
a term ive heard a lot thsi season and one im sick of hearing !! If its not Griffin, its Zakunai, if its not him its Cresswell, or Pugh etc etc. when the hell are we going to have players who are played in their natural/proper position ?? proper position for Cresswell by the way, is oatcake vendor up Hanley
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 21:33:17 GMT
You'd know, having seen so many games this season.  |
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Post by Adster on Mar 31, 2008 21:35:32 GMT
well said ;D
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Post by Ursemboy on Mar 31, 2008 21:35:33 GMT
I'm glad we are 2nd in the league or you would come out with even more bollox!
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Post by fromafar07 on Mar 31, 2008 21:36:16 GMT
 oh yeah, and another ridiculous thing being said "you know nothing if you dont see the matches in person"
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Post by lust4life on Mar 31, 2008 21:39:19 GMT
But of course you know more if you are there in person. Cresswell has done well this season even playing out of position and 11 goals proves it.
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Post by Ursemboy on Mar 31, 2008 21:39:35 GMT
It is an advantage to see the match  |
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Post by fromafar07 on Mar 31, 2008 21:41:35 GMT
Cresswell, is not good.....it is that simple
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 21:43:28 GMT
If you haven't seen a game, then of course you're not seeing as clear a picture as someone who has - that's just common sense.
Would you go and see a film on the basis of a review by someone who hadn't seen it?
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Post by lust4life on Mar 31, 2008 21:44:06 GMT
Sorry but you talking rubbish m8 as I and many more can vouch he a good player.
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 31, 2008 21:47:06 GMT
Actually though, isn't this a TP thing of deliberately playing all but a chosen few players out of position at least some of the time to stop them dropping into a comfort zone? Not that I agree with it, I think it's a bloody stupid idea, but he does it so consistently that there's got to be a reason.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 31, 2008 21:47:07 GMT
I can vouch that he is distinctly avarage and will be on the bench next game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 21:48:26 GMT
Exactly. He's average. Not shit. Decent squad player.
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Post by fromafar07 on Mar 31, 2008 21:48:31 GMT
im curious now why i would even need to see a game when all i have to do is read the posts from the all knowing all seeing fans that are on this board. I have to admit a lot of my info comes from what i read on here, and after reading so many posts on here on how bad Cresswell is and how bad it is using those players (Cresswell included) out of position, i htought i would use my linited experince, of only seeing him play twice, but listend to all the other games on the internet. apparently, all the other people are wrong too !!!
IMO he is not good !!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 31, 2008 21:49:25 GMT
Arguably the only players in our starting eleven on Saturday who were not in their proper positions were Griff and Pearson. Griff needs resting and probably wouldn't have done much better at left back and Pearson was Man of the Match - so I'd say it was a pretty good move by TP to play him out of position.
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 31, 2008 21:50:27 GMT
Cresswell was pretty good before Xmas, but not so good since even up front. Not sure why he's lost form like this but he definitely has.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 31, 2008 21:52:11 GMT
A few players have lost form since Christmas.
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Post by bobafett on Mar 31, 2008 21:52:12 GMT
If you never watch any games then your opinion is void whether you are right or wrong , simple as .
I think cresswell has been very useful for us this season but with the added quality of Pearson and Ameobi will be on the bench for the Palace game . I formed this opinion by watching stoke city week in week out .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 21:53:47 GMT
fromafar - Cresswell splits opinions - some value his work ethic and important goals, others are frustrated by his failure to beat a man or put in a good ball (not great for someone playing wide I accept). It's untrue to suggest there's a consensus though, and to suggest he should be selling oatcakes based largely on what others have said is ignorant!
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Post by lust4life on Mar 31, 2008 21:56:37 GMT
Well said bobafett and may I say what a top name. TP hasnt done bad this season by playing so many people out of position has he seen as though we lie 2nd with 5 games left. And Cresswell like others will have his bad games like so many other players including the enigma that is Fuller!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 31, 2008 22:30:48 GMT
So fromafar continues his witch hunt against Cresswell, a player asked to play most of the season (as he has mentioned) out of position but has done a sterling job for the team for most of the season. I can admit that his form has dipped since Christmas (he has had some stinkers as well) but unfortunately fromafar can't admit that his efforts have been very important to getting us where we are this season (try taking his 10 league goals out of our campaign).
Cresswell is without doubt one of the the best finishers at the club (we don't have many natural goalscorers), sure he will miss some chances but as a proper striker does, he keeps going and tries to get into further scoring positions.
That said I would fully expect him to find himself on the bench for the rest of the season as we now have big Shola signed and Ric returns from suspension, Pearson will obviously fill the wide left berth so for Cress it's a subs role. So does that make him crap, or to coin a phrase from the font of all knowledge "an oatcake vendor"?
Of course it doesn't, but hey while we are at it lets get rid of all our players who now won't get in the first XI, who needs subs anyway, vastly overated in my opinion.
Cresswell isn't a left midfielder, he isn't a create it yourself striker like Ric either, what he is though is a hard working goal scorer who given 3 chances will score one of them, sounds like a decent lad to have around the squad to me, but what do I know, I only watch the games?
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Post by stokelad on Mar 31, 2008 22:41:54 GMT
fromafar how can you possible know that players are playing badly and out of postion with actually attending any games, this is more of what you think then actually is true.
maybe if you went more games people would take your posts seriously, as you slate cresswell i don't know you say he has played bad he hasnt played well alot of games, but he is a important part of the team.
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Post by prem4stoke on Mar 31, 2008 22:55:45 GMT
I agree with Griffin though  Some dodgy form of late  |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 31, 2008 23:01:16 GMT
Griff has been poor of late, form is temporary though and class is permanent. That said I'd much prefer to see him at left back as he is simply superb there but I can't for the life of me work out why???
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 1, 2008 7:03:28 GMT
Cresswell, is not good.....it is that simple 11 goals not enough for you? granted he's no Cristiano Ronaldo, but the guy works his bollox off and doesn't need criticism, infact none of them do. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 1, 2008 12:52:28 GMT
Fromafar,
There are things you cannot see or pick up from commentaries if you are not at the game. That's obviously why you take a bit of criticism for your views on Richard Cresswell.
Cressie does a lot of work helping out the left back. I've seen him make loads of challenges in his own penalty box. It must have been frustrating for him to play out of position, but you also can't fault his effort - he always works his nuts off and gives 100%, wherever he is asked to play. Finally, look at the goals we score from set pieces. He is one more big lad to mark, which creates space for the others, especially Ryan and Leon, and he also has a knack of snaffling the knock downs and second ball at set pieces.
I think for the money, Cressie has been an important part of the team, its spirit and success this year. In my opinion he is a top pro, and I would guess he's got another goal in him this season, even if its from the bench.
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Post by fromafar07 on Apr 1, 2008 13:37:53 GMT
ONCE AGAIN, i base my vues on the 2 times i have seen Cresswell play (Newcastle and Ipswich) in which he played terribly. Then, after that on what i listen to during the games on the internet.Add that to newspaper articles, fan eyewitness accounts and comments on here. Add them all together and i think he is crap. A deflected shot got his goal on Saturday, a missed sitter on saturday that would have even embarrassed the king of missed sitters, Mama Sidibe, cost us the win.
By the way while i dont like Cresswell, it really is Ok to not like a player on ones favorite team. I dont think a true supporter has to wear blinders, is blind to poor form and should never criticize his team. its an age old right to support and citicize ones favorite team !!!!
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 1, 2008 13:44:48 GMT
I don't mind criticism, I'm simply stating my opinion and putting up a defence of Cressie.
And as an observation, you're right, he missed a great chance to wrap up the game on saturday, but there is no way that his goal was a mis-kick. It was a really clever finish that I think prevented the original cross shot from going wide. (Although I only saw it on the TV!)
There I rest my case...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 1, 2008 13:47:55 GMT
Cool American spelling of the word views (vues) and a great use of the word blinders instead of blinkers. We certainly are peoples divided by a common language. ;D
Incidentally, you'll find as many Stokies like Cressy as dislike him so I wouldn't base your opinion on what you read on here. I think we all agree he missed a sitter on saturday though - but there was nothing lucky about his goal.
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Post by bobafett on Apr 1, 2008 17:38:03 GMT
Cresswell's goal on saturday was not deflected !!! It was a cracking finish which had Ronaldo scored everyone would have been gushing over !
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oh yeah, and another ridiculous thing being said "you know nothing if you dont see the matches in person" 
Some dodgy form of late 
