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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 16, 2009 21:54:23 GMT
I was there and seem to remember the stoke fans being kept behind afterwards, only to be let out into the streets full of Brummies. Pretty scary stuff that walk back. We were on the waste ground across the road from St Andrews on top of the hill..and the walk back to the car was like a scene from The Wild West...pelted with bricks bottles and any other missiles Brummies could get their hands on..but we 'returned the serve' as well...
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Post by slangking on Apr 16, 2009 21:54:49 GMT
I have to laugh at the people saying that Stoke fans were saved by the heroic actions of those who stopped people getting over the fences, this really is a laughable myth. I was there, these fences were massive with spikes on them, there was never any chance whatsoever of more than about 5 or 6 people getting in, and it would have been pretty stupid as they would then have been surrounded by hundreds of Stoke fans. I have to laugh at this post... You quite obviously weren't there mate As I lived about 2 miles from there I should fcuking well think I was, I see it was mainly yourself trying to perpetuate the brave hooligan myth.
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 16, 2009 21:55:02 GMT
it is true Squeekster, I guess that the powers that be dont monitor these things. I remember the first one, a Chelsea fan, was thrown under a midland Red Bus, suffering massive head injuries, and for years they used to sing " squash him on the head, squash him on the head , squash him on the head with a Midland Red" The Man U fan died after a wall collapsed after fighting outside, the Leeds fan died during the riot in 1985- the day of the Bradford disaster, and the Villa fan died two years ago, tho the circumstances are not clear..also at a pre arranged fight with Wolves four years (or so ) ago a wolves fan nearly died in a fight where a Blules fan fired a home made rocket launcher The Villa fan sort of rings a bell now,i suppose the one in 85 was over shadowed by events at Bradford.
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 16, 2009 21:58:06 GMT
I was there and seem to remember the stoke fans being kept behind afterwards, only to be let out into the streets full of Brummies. Pretty scary stuff that walk back. We were on the waste ground across the road from St Andrews on top of the hill..and the walk back to the car was like a scene from The Wild West...pelted with bricks bottles and any other missiles Brummies could get their hands on..but we 'returned the serve' as well... They did not keep us behind,it was announced over the tannoy that the gates were open and could the Stoke fans leave at which point all the dicks on the pitch turned round and ran off back to their end to try and ambush us outside.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 16, 2009 21:58:49 GMT
Blues and Stoke have always been rough old places to visit, but there is a big difference, no one to my knowledege has ever lost their life at Stoke, but if I count up 4 people have died at Blues games, since 1978 ( chelsea, leeds, man u, villa) there is a pyscho element which is missing at stoke...long may that last A Stoke fan lost his life against Tottenham..late 1970's..outside Leek Rd Royal-Mail Sorting office..after it kicked-off between Stoke/Tottenham fans outside the Railway Station..running battles back towards the bridge/Leek Rd...
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Post by dom90 on Apr 16, 2009 22:00:28 GMT
I remember it well, a lad lost his eye there( he is on here ). Me and my mate were there, we would of only been about 13/14.
Scary stuff.
I remember seeing it on the news when we got home.
It did not help when the stoke crowd started singing "bring on the champions"
Paul Barnes trood on the keeper?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 22:03:52 GMT
Wizzard, I think I was there or there abouts that day, not sure if my memory serves me right, but I thought it was a youth from the Abbey who was crippled after a number of brave Spurs lads jumped out of a van and battered him...even if not so, I`m still not aware of any actions by stokies which have led to death or irreversible injury of other supporters
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 16, 2009 22:04:09 GMT
I have to laugh at this post... You quite obviously weren't there mate As I lived about 2 miles from there I should fcuking well think I was, I see it was mainly yourself trying to perpetuate the brave hooligan myth. What?
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Post by slangking on Apr 16, 2009 22:06:23 GMT
This, laughable bullshit as you can see from the youtube clip.
But had it not been for the Stokies at the front climbing on the fences and fighting hand to hand all the way along the perimeter of the away end, from the corner to the dividing netting,..as Birmingham fans would have got over and caused a huge crush as thousands of fans tried to get out of the way...
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 16, 2009 22:07:06 GMT
Wizzard, I think I was there or there abouts that day, not sure if my memory serves me right, but I thought it was a youth from the Abbey who was crippled after a number of brave Spurs lads jumped out of a van and battered him...even if not so, I`m still not aware of any actions by stokies which have led to death or irreversible injury of other supporters Thats right Durban..I'm not aware of any fatal injuries caused by Stoke fans either but I'm fairly certain that lad from Abbey Hulton died from his injuries..
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Post by dom90 on Apr 16, 2009 22:13:56 GMT
This, laughable bullshit as you can see from the youtube clip. But had it not been for the Stokies at the front climbing on the fences and fighting hand to hand all the way along the perimeter of the away end, from the corner to the dividing netting,..as Birmingham fans would have got over and caused a huge crush as thousands of fans tried to get out of the way... A guy was on film who used to stand with us at the vic was on the Tv that day.. Ric someone? Used to look after us at the old ground when it got a bit rough.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 16, 2009 22:14:09 GMT
This, laughable bullshit as you can see from the youtube clip. But had it not been for the Stokies at the front climbing on the fences and fighting hand to hand all the way along the perimeter of the away end, from the corner to the dividing netting,..as Birmingham fans would have got over and caused a huge crush as thousands of fans tried to get out of the way... Ask anyone who went and they'll tell you what I'm saying is correct... You wouldn't know because you weren't there.. Laughable bullshit is something you excel at as well as lying
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Post by dom90 on Apr 16, 2009 22:16:23 GMT
Wizard is right, they would of got over.
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 16, 2009 22:17:24 GMT
This, laughable bullshit as you can see from the youtube clip. But had it not been for the Stokies at the front climbing on the fences and fighting hand to hand all the way along the perimeter of the away end, from the corner to the dividing netting,..as Birmingham fans would have got over and caused a huge crush as thousands of fans tried to get out of the way... Slanking mate i was their right in that far corner it was the same game that we all did the sit down thing agaist the all seater stadium rule their were no high fences infront of me all the brummies stopped on the edge of the pitch bar a few,don't get me wrong if needs have been they would have stood toe to toe but as recall a few ventured to the corner(we were just below pitch level) so lads were standing on a ledge and punches were swapped mainly by us they came at us in 1's and 2's.
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Post by slangking on Apr 16, 2009 22:19:42 GMT
This, laughable bullshit as you can see from the youtube clip. But had it not been for the Stokies at the front climbing on the fences and fighting hand to hand all the way along the perimeter of the away end, from the corner to the dividing netting,..as Birmingham fans would have got over and caused a huge crush as thousands of fans tried to get out of the way... Ask anyone who went and they'll tell you what I'm saying is correct... You wouldn't know because you weren't there.. Laughable bullshit is something you excel at as well as lying No matter how many times you say it, I was there, for them to have got over would have been suicide, god knows why people like yourself like to lie about stuff like this, unfortunately you can see it on the clip, about 2 people actually went to the fence and had one of them got over would have been out-numbered 100-1, you NEVER see a few people attacking a whole terrace, why should it happen this time? If the Stoke fans at the front had been so brave they would have done what Leeds did and confront them on the pitch, that didn't happen.
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Post by slangking on Apr 16, 2009 22:22:48 GMT
This, laughable bullshit as you can see from the youtube clip. But had it not been for the Stokies at the front climbing on the fences and fighting hand to hand all the way along the perimeter of the away end, from the corner to the dividing netting,..as Birmingham fans would have got over and caused a huge crush as thousands of fans tried to get out of the way... Slanking mate i was their right in that far corner it was the same game that we all did the sit down thing agaist the all seater stadium rule their were no high fences infront of me all the brummies stopped on the edge of the pitch bar a few,don't get me wrong if needs have been they would have stood toe to toe but as recall a few ventured to the corner(we were just below pitch level) so lads were standing on a ledge and punches were swapped mainly by us they came at us in 1's and 2's. I'm not saying there were fences I always remember that away end as having fences but obviously there weren't on this occasion. However as you yourself say there was NEVER at any stage any question of 5 or 6 people trying to attack a terrace of thousands and as for the risk of a stampede? Must have been on drugs that day this bloke.
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2009 22:23:41 GMT
my twopenneyworth:
1:I dreamt about it the night before - no really.Couldnt work out what I had dreamt (kind of strange images of people I know who 'go Stoke' like Scouse & (ticket office) Margaret & Animal e.t.c all trying to get away from something The second the Blues ran on the pitch I had the shivers as I realized it was like my dream. fucking weird! the only other Stoke dream I had come true was Panner missing a peno & the next day he did v Forest.
2:Gleghorn was superb - for Birmingham!
3:Blues had a very dodgy penno given I'm convinced the ref was looking to even things up by ignoring Berties foul on the keeper (either that or he was just a shit ref)
4:the clearance by Cranson was inside the six yard box but the ball was about 3/4 feet from the goal line - the view from the away end couldnt have been better Cotwoldstokie has the footage on tape somewhere & its laughable that they even claimed.
5:got to be a top 10 mental.
6:I detest violence & believe majority of hooligans ultimately are cowards however those at the front of the away section put their fists where there mouths are so I suppose credit to them that day.
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 16, 2009 22:31:10 GMT
Slanking mate i was their right in that far corner it was the same game that we all did the sit down thing agaist the all seater stadium rule their were no high fences infront of me all the brummies stopped on the edge of the pitch bar a few,don't get me wrong if needs have been they would have stood toe to toe but as recall a few ventured to the corner(we were just below pitch level) so lads were standing on a ledge and punches were swapped mainly by us they came at us in 1's and 2's. I'm not saying there were fences I always remember that away end as having fences but obviously there weren't on this occasion. However as you yourself say there was NEVER at any stage any question of 5 or 6 people trying to attack a terrace of thousands and as for the risk of a stampede? Must have been on drugs that day this bloke. Just seen that clip on youtube and the fence is the segregation fence not perimeter fence as they were all pulled down after Hillsbourogh. Having seen that clip now it seems that it was far worse their(probably as it was closest to the home fans) than in the other end far corner as which i was standing. By the way i'm not saying anyone is wrong just telling it from my point though as i have said before i was shitting my self and to this day have not felt as scared in my life yet as that day.
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Post by Stephen Frys' Ring on Apr 17, 2009 0:06:59 GMT
I certainly remember quite a few of our lot piling forward and meeting the Brums fans on the fences, looking back I was very grateful for them defending us while the rest of us moved back. I and 3 of my mates were some of these guys,we were 18 and thought what the fuck,not brave or owt just lets go down and ave a free for all. Luckily when down front the fences were up and over us so everytime a Zulu Warrior ;D came at us they were like sitting ducks on top the fence,smack pow clump However the funniest for me were 2 things my mate won loads of coins on way down on train at poker,however he lost it when it kicked off as he ran down the terrace lobbing coppers(1ps & 2ps,not Pc's) and the smallest skinniest Stokie got over fence ran up to a massive " Zulu" and knocked the c@nt out then ran back into away a hero Beleive me i@m not and never have been a thug,but that day was sweet,ended up in a club next to a pub in brum called the Rubber Band and Carl Cox was playing, Smashing super great,got home about 9am sun morn Eating a Ginsters pastie from a petrol station.......mmmm ;D
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 17, 2009 0:11:07 GMT
The gates were open. If they had wanted to fight they could have just gone round straight into the away end and had a free shot at Stokies.
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Post by hanibal7 on Apr 17, 2009 2:56:26 GMT
EXCITING,CRAZY,SCARY,PULSATING,ADRENILEN RUSH,AWESOME.
I was 37 and fit then lol,and a few Brummies got slapped too.Remember after the match and me and a couple of mates were walking down to the away end on Bordsley Green road,then we heard zuuuulu zuuuulu,fuck my nipples stood up lol.Next thing loads of stokies emptied the coaches behind us and fucking charged them,what a mental that was,still get an hard on thinking about it.Must admit the coach lads saved our lives cos iw asnt going to run as my pants were full hehehehhe.
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Apr 17, 2009 4:42:07 GMT
Filthy Brum pricks. I was there that day and got whacked in the chops, loosening several teeth. I was with my cousin and co, and he just took off down the front, so I followed him down, and the next thing I'm doing my best Henry Cooper impersonation fighting the invading Brum. Then got twatted on the back of the legs with a truncheon outside the ground for not 'moving along'. Not my best memory of Stoke away. That's why I hate those inbred twats. Zulu knoblicking wombats.
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Post by bristolpotter on Apr 17, 2009 6:08:01 GMT
Anyone in the park after the game?? was with a 200 strong Stoke mob, no passengers here, no kids no police, they could really give it some cause thats what they wanted eh?? yeah right, the Zulus got far more than they bargained for and ran off after a few slaps been dished out, it's always been a strong belief of mine that they're utter shysters and only want to know when a bit if bullying is the name of the game, bit like the Wolves and Man City..
Was that Reading game the one when they were taunting us throughout the game so about 150 Stoke decided to charge into their end and clear them all out??
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Apr 17, 2009 6:20:00 GMT
Was that Reading game the one when they were taunting us throughout the game so about 150 Stoke decided to charge into their end and clear them all out?? i was at that game n'all!!!. ... the Elm Park massive giving it the big I am, until our boys showed them who the big I am's really were
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Post by mark71 on Apr 17, 2009 7:56:04 GMT
I was in there with a few of the Shelton lads. It was a pisser. The pub got trashed all the windows went through there were chairs and tables all over the pavement outside. As we were being thrown out of the pub by the old bill a big white rolls royce pulled up with a newly wed couple inside, they were having their reception there.
After the game about 10 of us went back to new street on our own without any police escort. we got the bus into Brum but it stopped the other side of Brum, so we had to walk through Brum to get to new street. The town was crawling with "Lads" wanting to chat about the game ;D After a number a skirmishes we managed to get to new street but were met by about 100 Blues who were at the hotel before the game, I absolutely shit my self, they had us trapped with no where to go. we were in for one almighty kicking. Just as we were going to get our punishment about 10 riot vans full of coppers pulled up and waded into the Zulu's. We didn't need telling twice to get on the train and fuck off back to Stoke. It was a superb day. Happy days ;D
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Post by sonofbanks on Apr 17, 2009 9:14:15 GMT
One of my memories of the day was after the game outside the ground people everywhere going toe to toe punching seven shades out each other, when a helecopter came and hovered over the madness and a copper with a megaphone leant out of the side and said " will you please stop fighting" for a split second everyone stopped looked up and thought .....fuck that and carried on. Surreal it was, anyone else remember the helecopter?
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Post by sammychungsdugout on Apr 17, 2009 9:59:00 GMT
I went to that game but got the train to New Street. There was a special going to some smaller station by the ground which a lot of Stokies caught. When we got to New Street there was loads of police waiting - I'd guess that there were about 100 Stoke lads. We tried to get in a couple of pubs and eventually got in a glass fronted bar opposite the bullring which I think was part of a hotel as there was a wedding reception upstairs. I still hadn't been served when the place went quiet. I turned around and the Birmingham lads were outside. A black guy walked in and said "come on stowke let's do eet". A well known Stoke lad promptly put him on his arse and then there was probably a minute of craziness. All of the windows went through and most of the furniture ended up on the street outside. Being a fairly young lad at the time I was amazed the police just came in and booted everyone out. It was a surreal experience for me and is something that I have never experienced since. I am not condoning this sort of thing but I wonder if that incident had fuelled the fire for what happened later that afternoon.
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Post by sammychungsdugout on Apr 17, 2009 10:56:04 GMT
mark71scfc - exactly as I remember it. My memory isn't so bad afterall!!
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Post by mark71 on Apr 17, 2009 10:59:12 GMT
Sammy, it was a pisser, one of those days that will live with me forever. they were great times, there always seemed to be somthing going on every week ;D
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Post by vestanpance on Apr 17, 2009 13:13:45 GMT
I've not a huge amount to add, other than this.
I was 15 at the time, and i'd never been so scared in my life. I couldn't take my eyes off this thin line of red & white that stood and fought our corner that day, and i have never forgotten it since.
Much has been made of the hooligan element in our time, but those who were there that day in '91 will always be reticent to overly criticise those people. Simply because i believe, and i suspect i'm not the only one, were it not for those lads defending our end that day, people may well have died in the ensuing panic that would have occurred had Blues fans got into that end.
I'm no fan of football violence, but they saved us that day and those there will never forget it.
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