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Post by n01stokie on Mar 24, 2008 21:41:38 GMT
After reading some of the posts on here i cannot believe what i am reading.
For me Cort is the best defender on the books (bar riggot who is on loan) he is very steady, wins 99% of headers, is good in the tackle and provides a great threat going forward. I cannot belive the abuse/critiscim he gets, one poster put "the worst pound for pound signing pulis has made"
I think at this moment in time Cort is a far better defender than shawcross, that is at this moment!
I think we need to give cort a bit more credit!
Is it just me who thinks this?
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 24, 2008 21:43:47 GMT
just seen on Big League Weekend that he could be out for the season, could be bollox too I suppose.
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Post by potters11 on Mar 24, 2008 21:44:46 GMT
buzzb: It was actually talking about Diao!
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Post by nathan on Mar 24, 2008 21:45:00 GMT
I stopped reading in astonishment after you mentioned he was 'good in the tackle'.
His goals are precious and are a great asset. But defensively, I have my reservations.
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Post by trend....... on Mar 24, 2008 21:45:58 GMT
probably not, but i dunna agree ! i shit myself everytime the ball is at his feet. and yes maybe he wins his headers but the majority of these go to there players or just... behind him! plus he looks like a bit of bender.
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Post by n01stokie on Mar 24, 2008 21:46:08 GMT
I stopped reading in astonishment after you mentioned he was 'good in the tackle'. His goals are precious and are a great asset. But defensively, I have my reservations. why?
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 24, 2008 21:46:37 GMT
oh yeah, must pay more attention, more beers me thinks!
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Mar 24, 2008 21:47:09 GMT
I don't think he is our best defender bar riggott, i believe shawcross is as he brings the ball out of defence very well and generally makes us play better, but i agree exactly what you are saying, he wins all his headers, gets vital blocks in, times challenges EXTREMELY well ALTHOUGH he is hesitant and a obviously very mild-mannered which leads to chances for the opponents etc. There isn't much to choose between Shawcross, riggott, cort and zak for those centre half spots, they are all very good defenders.
If it was me i would play wilko, shawcross,riggott and dicko. But it just isn't going to happen is it!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 24, 2008 21:47:38 GMT
Couldn't disagree more No.1.
Cort is a real threat on attacking set pieces, but defensively he is decidedly dodgy.
He is nowhere near aggressive enough, he rarely wins a header under challenge and he has been pivotal in our poor defensive record since he has been here.
He isn't a patch on Shawcross, even now, and as someone said on a previous post, pound for pound, could arguably be Pulis' worst signing. I say arguably, because his goals have probably saved him from having that tag, but defensively, I think he is very poor.
Riggot and Shawcross for me until the end of the season. (after Ryan's suspension of course)
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Post by TheBeautifulGame on Mar 24, 2008 21:47:54 GMT
The criticism of Cort is unfair, granted he has made a few mistakes but who in this team hasn't?
He's scored valuable goals and has been fairly steady. He's been getting caught out recently though but to label him a bad buy is stupid in my opinion. In regards to been better than Shawcross i can't agree, mate.
I feel a lot more at ease when Shawcross is playing, a central partnership of Shawcross and Riggot would be my choice to see us over the line.
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Post by nathan on Mar 24, 2008 21:49:23 GMT
a) he doesn't tackle
b) he doesn't tackle
c) he doesn't communicate
d) he is slow
e) he is shrugged off the ball with relative ease
It's not entirely his fault. With a leader next to him, I'm sure he'd appear in a different light. We haven't and I don't think he was a good signing by TP, particularly considering he was going to be partnered with a young, aspiring CB, who also requires a leader beside him.
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Post by n01stokie on Mar 24, 2008 21:49:31 GMT
give me cort over shawcross everyday of the week at the moment, i personally can't think of many goals conceeded due to his mistakes
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 24, 2008 21:51:23 GMT
I'm happier with his defending than I was a few weeks ago, he scared me to death then. Still don't think he's committed enough often enough in his tackling, a defender who doesn't get at least three or four yellow cards a season isn't doing the job imho, he's playing in a position that needs an old-fashioned hard man like Gerry Taggart. I still think he loses his man too easily, he's not a great marker. But, I'd like to feel the Pulis magic is beginning to bring it out of him and I reckon we'll see a better defender next season (and hopefully the rest of this). Simply as a footballer and a team player he's fine though, always has been.
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Post by AlanHansen on Mar 24, 2008 21:51:46 GMT
1,
How about the last game V Blackpool for starters?
CO
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 24, 2008 21:53:18 GMT
Maybe I could give you some examples no.1, just off the top of my head;
Stern John's first in the Southampton home game Martin Paterson's for Scunthorpe at the Brit Preston away - 1st goal QPR away - 2nd Goal Hull's equaliser on New Years day
I am sure that there have been more as well, but off the top of my head, these are the ones that spring immediately to mind
The two at Preston and QPR highlight my concern about him winning headers under challenge...on both occasions he was beaten to headers, relatively centrally, that led to the opposition tapping in at the back post.
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Post by AlanHansen on Mar 24, 2008 21:54:48 GMT
Dave,
I must pay more attention, or drink less.
CO
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Post by trend....... on Mar 24, 2008 21:54:49 GMT
cort over shawcross? must be joking.
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Post by n01stokie on Mar 24, 2008 21:54:53 GMT
a defender who doesn't get at least three or four yellow cards a season isn't doing the job imho, sorry but for me thats a silly comment, its a credit to him he doesn't get booked, he never gives away silly fouls and again when he tackles he gets them right thus not commiting a foul and thus not getting booked
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 24, 2008 21:57:22 GMT
Or he still gives away silly free kicks but not for bookable offences and the only reason he doesn't get booked is that he doesn't enter a 70-30 ball, never mind a 50-50 ball.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 24, 2008 21:57:39 GMT
CO...I am always the driver so ALWAYS view our performances stone cold sober.
However, I might have to get pissed from now on, because my nerves are not holding up too well right now and I have started to go grey these past few weeks.
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Post by n01stokie on Mar 24, 2008 21:59:08 GMT
Stern John's first in the Southampton home game - dissagree
Martin Paterson's for Scunthorpe at the Brit - if i remember rightly he got between shawcross and cort so therefore both there faults
Preston away - 1st goal - wasn't there can't comment
QPR away - 2nd Goal, never, nobody tacker the runner
Hull's equaliser on New Years day - how did you work that one out? pugh was beaten at the far post!
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 24, 2008 22:00:23 GMT
God,we are top of the league for fucks sake!Without him we would be a bit lower down!!!!I think I would prefer him in Sidibes role though....guarateed more goals anyway!!!
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 24, 2008 22:00:53 GMT
Yeah you should all go the vale and everyfink.
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 24, 2008 22:06:16 GMT
SirRob, I seriously agree with you about Leon in the Mama role, I think it would be worth a proper try when we're under less pressure. Still not sure about your new av though, it's not as if you were any oil painting before, but....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 24, 2008 22:06:49 GMT
He failed to win a crucial header which led immediately to John's volley. No-one to blame but himself. QPR...he let Vine climb all over him, win the header, and knock it back for his midfielder to score. No tracking or not, Cort lost the crucial header, and he did so v Preston. Against Hull, although Pugh was equally culpable, Folan was Cort's man, and he abandoned his job, got caught under the ball, and cost us the goal. With Paterson's goal, watch it again...he just wandered in behind Cort and scored with relative ease. Very very poor defending at crucial times. Cort just isn't physical enough, and in a battle, never comes out on top. Look at his mauling at the hands of Dion Dublin in the home fixture v Norwich. We had to swap Shawcross over 2nd half to cope with the physical threat, and we did the same on Burgess on Saturday. Cort got outmuscled, so we switched and left him to Riggot. Zak showed him exactly how to do it and within seconds of coming on had flattened Burgess whilst winning a clean defensive header, and that was the last we saw of Burgess' threat in the game. His goals are a godsend, but defensively he is dodgy at best, and I would say, a liability. EDIT - I have said many times that Cort would be more effective in the Mama role and Mama would make the better centre half! Ridiculous really isn't it?
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 24, 2008 22:07:40 GMT
Im bloody gorgeous! I look normal in Mow Cop!
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Post by Vodkab1ock on Mar 24, 2008 22:07:41 GMT
i think he is better than shawcross in the air, but shawcross has the pace and more skill on the ball. think they are both very good championship defenders. the 17-18 goals between them aint bad either. must admit i aint read any critical posts about him but i am very selective on what i read on here
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 24, 2008 22:16:06 GMT
That's true SirRob, I forgot about you winning Mr Harriseahead three years running... ;D
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 24, 2008 22:17:58 GMT
Aaah the Halcion days 91-94
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Post by armitagestokie on Mar 24, 2008 22:18:51 GMT
He'd struggle in the Prem, but could get better with time.
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