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Post by fezgandy on Mar 24, 2008 13:09:26 GMT
Should he have been sent off? I think he was begging for it the little argie cunt!!!!
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Post by M on Mar 24, 2008 13:15:06 GMT
You're right. Argies are cunts
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Post by trebor63 on Mar 24, 2008 13:22:46 GMT
In the light of recent events he was stupid.
But compare what he did to what Wankly Cole did! A vile ott 'tackle' followed by total contempt for the ref and Terry and Lampard straight in the refs face too. Total outcome= one yellow
Saying to the ref 'whats going on' three times. Total outcome = one red!
Picture Rooney Lampard Terry and whole host of other players and you don't picture them for their footballing ability but more with their faces in contorted in anger whilst spouting crap about (more often than not) correct refereeing dcisions!
Mascherano was stupid but in the context of what opthers have done and got away with, he was unlucky imo
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Post by werrington on Mar 24, 2008 13:35:33 GMT
All he did was ask the referee why he was booked? Why Torres was booked? And why Ferdinand who fouled Torres twice in 10 secs never even got spoken too?? Yes he was daft to get involved but sent off??? C,mon
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Post by RAF on Mar 24, 2008 13:42:03 GMT
He was giving the ref loads all game, questioning the ref after running 20 yards when it had fuck all to do with him in the first place was just the straw that broke the camels back. It's about time refs started taking a tougher line on dissent. That said , they all have to take the same stance or not at all.
H
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Post by M on Mar 24, 2008 13:49:38 GMT
He was giving the ref loads all game, questioning the ref after running 20 yards when it had fuck all to do with him in the first place was just the straw that broke the camels back. It's about time refs started taking a tougher line on dissent. That said , they all have to take the same stance or not at all. H That's the concern thought RAF. Consistency. There isn't any. If he deservedly got sent off, then so should Cole. It will be interesting to see what the FA do now. With talk of him being punished further, if he is, we could see it contested with nothing happening to Cole and setting a new president....?
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Post by werrington on Mar 24, 2008 13:51:23 GMT
I agree with you 100% RAF but it did in a weird sort of way involve him because he was walking a tightrope for the rest of the game along with Torres but Ferdinand was let off scott free ?? too many games now its the big name refs who want to keep in the limelight ?? Only way to solve it is take a leaf out of rugby,s book and sin bin any back chat?? Until we get this or consistency from BOG STANDARD officials then this will just go on and on??
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Post by RAF on Mar 24, 2008 14:12:49 GMT
M, absolutely. Consistency is the ABSOLUTE KEY. Unfortunately we have refs like Rob Styles who think they are more important than the game. The laughable thing about yesterday was, if the ref had actually played to the letter of the law Mascherano would have been sent off well before he actually was for the amount of times he told the ref to fuck off. Benitez has no right to feel hard done by, if he can't instill discipline into his team then he is as culpable as the player.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 24, 2008 14:31:41 GMT
agreed raf, maschernao should have aleady have gone, but andy gray is right that the ref was wrong to send him off for earlier incidents
ssn says the fa have the power to increase the ban
so i assume ashley cole will be with on his disrepute charge
thought not
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Mar 24, 2008 14:34:26 GMT
werrington, that's why they are big name refs, because they make stupid decisions in big games. They always say you don't notice a good referee.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 24, 2008 14:35:26 GMT
m
to be fair their not all cunts apart from these 3
Leopoldo Galtieri murdering cunt maradonna cheating cunt carlos teves ugly cunt
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Post by RAF on Mar 24, 2008 14:36:04 GMT
I think Andy Gray is probably right , but I think the ref was trying not to spoil the game, unfortunately Mascherano gave him no alternative in the end. The fact he ran 20 yards to question a decision that didn't concern him, though soft could still be interpreted as dissent I'm sure.
H
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Post by roloman on Mar 24, 2008 14:38:14 GMT
It's a pity that Mascherano's actions have deflected attention from the fact that Bennett was a total arse to book Torres.
And I think it's a bit rich of Ferguson to say that the sending off was correct because "you can't have dissent against the ref"!!!!!!!!
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Mar 24, 2008 14:43:38 GMT
In the light of recent events he was stupid. But compare what he did to what Wankly Cole did! A vile ott 'tackle' followed by total contempt for the ref and Terry and Lampard straight in the refs face too. Total outcome= one yellow Saying to the ref 'whats going on' three times. Total outcome = one red! Picture Rooney Lampard Terry and whole host of other players and you don't picture them for their footballing ability but more with their faces in contorted in anger whilst spouting crap about (more often than not) correct refereeing dcisions! Mascherano was stupid but in the context of what opthers have done and got away with, he was unlucky imo Well said. So many times we have seen Chelsea or Man Utd players on mass screaming abuse at the referee if they get a decision against them, but nothing happens.
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Post by edinburghstokie on Mar 24, 2008 14:52:06 GMT
It seems that the PFA want to incorporate "no go zones" around the ref - beeb linkWhat they should also insist of the referee is that, instead of brandishing cards around straight away when tempers are high, blow the whistle, call both captains over, and the 2 players involved and calmly state, I am booking him for this. That way the captain can tell the other players what is going on, rather than them, having to question like Mascherano. The refs shouldn't then look as if trying to steal the limelight/headlines. Just like what they do in rugby.
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Mar 24, 2008 14:54:07 GMT
Pathetic Argie bashing at the top of the thread as well.
I know a few Argentinians and although we have differing views on things like the Falklands or Maradona, like the majority of Argentinians they are decent people.
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Post by M on Mar 24, 2008 15:00:17 GMT
Pathetic Argie bashing at the top of the thread as well. I know a few Argentinians and although we have differing views on things like the Falklands or Maradona, like the majority of Argentinians they are decent people. A few of my mates are Manure fans. they're cunts too
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Post by salopstick on Mar 24, 2008 15:01:40 GMT
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Mar 24, 2008 15:03:22 GMT
lol
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Post by M on Mar 24, 2008 15:19:16 GMT
Pathetic Argie bashing at the top of the thread as well. I know a few Argentinians and although we have differing views on things like the Falklands or Maradona, like the majority of Argentinians they are decent people. A few of my mates are Manure fans. they're cunts too you are right. they're not all bad
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 24, 2008 15:36:19 GMT
I think Mascherano was lucky to stay on the field as long as he did. The foul on Scholes for which he was booked was innocuous but the amount of chipping he did at the referee after that was ridiculous. I think Steve Bennett showed admirable patience. If I had been the referee he would have told me to fuck off just twice. The first time he would have been warned the second time he would have gone. He also took a long time to leave the field the FA may take action on that and so they should. IMHO Mascherano should be made an example of. If I was anything to do with Liverpool Football Club he would not play again but I doubt that will happen. Best thing that could happen is that Liverpool cancel his contract and no other British club give him any work. That would make a statement to every player associated with the FA.
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Post by werrington on Mar 24, 2008 15:39:05 GMT
Why not Cashley Cole being made an example of???? Arrogance beyond belief
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Post by M on Mar 24, 2008 15:46:41 GMT
I think Mascherano was lucky to stay on the field as long as he did. The foul on Scholes for which he was booked was innocuous but the amount of chipping he did at the referee after that was ridiculous. I think Steve Bennett showed admirable patience. If I had been the referee he would have told me to fuck off just twice. The first time he would have been warned the second time he would have gone. He also took a long time to leave the field the FA may take action on that and so they should. IMHO Mascherano should be made an example of. If I was anything to do with Liverpool Football Club he would not play again but I doubt that will happen. Best thing that could happen is that Liverpool cancel his contract and no other British club give him any work. That would make a statement to every player associated with the FA. What an absolutely ridiculous post! Cancel his contract! WTF! Sigh ??? Should we cancel Fullers because of the times he's spat his dummy out and got sent off for dissent?
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 24, 2008 15:49:20 GMT
I have not seen the Ashley Cole incident but if it was similar to Mascherano I would not object to him being made an example of. In the Premiership in particular and the football league in general there seems a culture where the players bring their own whistle. I believe that has got to stop. The clubs must discipline their players. The Captains should be the only players allowed to ask the referee politely for an explanation. Anything other than that is not acceptable. All players would then realise they have to keep there mouths shut or risk a booking or being sent off.
M, I'm just expressing an opinion it doesn't make the post ridiculous. Your opinion is obviously different than mine. Maschareno lost it completely, even eye ball to eyeball with his boss he kept on arguing. He is probably registered insane in Argentina.
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Post by stokelad on Mar 24, 2008 16:20:31 GMT
deserved it in my eyes
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Post by M on Mar 24, 2008 16:27:53 GMT
I have not seen the Ashley Cole incident but if it was similar to Mascherano I would not object to him being made an example of. In the Premiership in particular and the football league in general there seems a culture where the players bring their own whistle. I believe that has got to stop. The clubs must discipline their players. The Captains should be the only players allowed to ask the referee politely for an explanation. Anything other than that is not acceptable. All players would then realise they have to keep there mouths shut or risk a booking or being sent off. M, I'm just expressing an opinion it doesn't make the post ridiculous. Your opinion is obviously different than mine. Maschareno lost it completely, even eye ball to eyeball with his boss he kept on arguing. He is probably registered insane in Argentina. I haven't suggested he didn't deserve it. But to cancel one of the most talented players contracts they have because of a moment of madness is ludicrous! We've had plenty of players over the years who have been sent off for one reason or another, and a lot of them that have done worse, and have taken longer to leave the pitch than Mascherano, but to suggest they need their contracts canceling is crazy. You are welcome to your opinion.... But mine is right ;D
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 24, 2008 18:31:39 GMT
M,
A moment! he had nearly 45 mins, in fact all the time he was on the pitch. He may be talented but he is definitely an idiot.
Stoke had a goalkeeper named Irvine once who did something idiotic that cost us a cup tie, I can't remember the exact details but he never played for Stoke again.
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Post by M on Mar 24, 2008 18:36:29 GMT
tq I don't think you've fully grasped what i was saying above. I wasn't questioning what he did was right or wrong. I only said you'd made an idiotic suggestion about sacking one of their own players (which would be stupid, and probably illegal) ;D Peace
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Post by joeyb09 on Mar 24, 2008 18:41:24 GMT
did anyone notice how he pushed his team mate Alonso out the way to get to the ref. Sureley that's something that Liverpool should look at not the FA. Also love Alan Hanson's comments on MOTD2 "you can see it's not the nicest of language" love it!
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Post by M on Mar 24, 2008 18:44:36 GMT
M, A moment! he had nearly 45 mins, in fact all the time he was on the pitch. He may be talented but he is definitely an idiot. Stoke had a goalkeeper named Irvine once who did something idiotic that cost us a cup tie, I can't remember the exact details but he never played for Stoke again. Irvine gave away a penalty, we went out embarrassingly to a lower league team, bit of a difference
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