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Post by knowles on Jul 30, 2010 9:50:15 GMT
Yep, sorry Sausage but that post is a load of rubbish.
I don't know why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about us not signing anyone yet. It was the same last year, it was the same the year before, etc etc...
The management have been absolutely magnificent over the last four years, and we have been progressing at an incredible rate. How you can say they have one eye on us being in the Championship is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 9:52:09 GMT
Given the fact that we are only 2 or 3 weeks away from a new season and that we desperately need to strengthen the midfield and attack , then it is little wonder that some of us are having grave concerns over our transfer dealings. I would have hoped that by now we might have at least made a couple of signings rather than gamble and leave it to the very last day. That said, none of us know what negotiations are underway and at what stage they're at.! For all we know Tony Pulis may have already got 2 or 3 'in the bag' barring a signed piece of paper...but that is where the doubt creeps in. I certainly would not share the blind optimism that some seem to have on this matter ,as the examples that have been offered aren't exactly the standard we now need to look at.We all know that in Kitson and Beattie we have two players who the manager would love to shift immediately but I can't help thinking that this is one of the reasons why we are struggling to things sorted out. Perhaps they need to go first , as to keep them on the wage bill is financially painfull, and therefore is slowing up our ambitions.
If any of you think that we can afford to sort out this complex muddle in the final few hours of deadline day , then I think you are sadly mistaken. Major signings and contracts need a lot of time and effort put in as things can wrong at the last minute.I would like to have those services acquired much sooner if possible , but like all things we don't live in a perfect world. Big names players are always going to wait to see if a better offer comes along right at the last minute.
It's called 'brinkmanship'.
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Post by march4 on Jul 30, 2010 9:54:07 GMT
Oi Mumf - 'brinkmanship' is the word I used to describe our successful transfer policy ;D
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Post by jord on Jul 30, 2010 9:55:06 GMT
[/quote] +1
Our inept transfer team that have signed Sorensen, Huth, Shawcross, Etherington, Faye, Tuncay in the last few seasons. Yes it goes wrong sometimes but it does for every club, even Man Utd and Chelsea have signed some stinkers or missed out on targets altogether. We recently beat Spurs in a straight two horse race to sign Begovic.
What frustrates me the most is that people get angry over us 'missing' targets that have only been mentioned in the press or on here, and who for all we know we were never in for in the first place.
It must be so easy to run a football club, we should all have a go.[/quote]
I couldn't agree more tbh, look at the signings we have made over the last few years with our transfer policy the likes of tuncay, huth and faye. In pulis we trust
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Post by knowles on Jul 30, 2010 9:57:17 GMT
What I would say, is who have we lost? Absolutely nobody (of importance). There aren't really any teams around us who have strengthened considerably either.
With our current squad (based on everyone elses at the current time) we should be in a comfortable 12-14th position.
Of course, a couple of transfers will set the ball rolling, and players will begin to move clubs. I'm sure we will be one of the clubs involved in these movements.
Don't get me wrong, I love signing new players, but not for the sheer hell of it. We are ear-marking players to 'push us on', which is a policy I agree with. It could be something quite simple as Milner goes to Man City, McGeady goes to Villa, Lawrence goes to Celtic and we get Shaun Wright-Phillips. All of a sudden we'd be getting very excited.
We'll be fine.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 30, 2010 9:57:21 GMT
Given the fact that we are only 2 or 3 weeks away from a new season and that we desperately need to strengthen the midfield and attack , then it is little wonder that some of us are having grave concerns over our transfer dealings. I would have hoped that by now we might have at least made a couple of signings rather than gamble and leave it to the very last day. That said, none of us know what negotiations are underway and at what stage they're at.! For all we know Tony Pulis may have already got 2 or 3 'in the bag' barring a signed piece of paper...but that is where the doubt creeps in. I certainly would not share the blind optimism that some seem to have on this matter ,as the examples that have been offered aren't exactly the standard we now need to look at.We all know that in Kitson and Beattie we have two players who the manager would love to shift immediately but I can't help thinking that this is one of the reasons why we are struggling to things sorted out. Perhaps they need to go first , as to keep them on the wage bill is financially painfull, and therefore is slowing up our ambitions. If any of you think that we can afford to sort out this complex muddle in the final few hours of deadline day , then I think you are sadly mistaken. Major signings and contracts need a lot of time and effort put in as things can wrong at the last minute.I would like to have those services acquired much sooner if possible , but like all things we don't live in a perfect world. Big names players are always going to wait to see if a better offer comes along right at the last minute. It's called 'brinkmanship'. To be honest mumf, I'd not be unhappy if we started with what we've already got. Of course, like every other fan I'd like to see the team strengthened in certain areas but I'd have to agree with knowles by putting my faith in the manager and assume he knows what he's doing. After all, he hasn't done such a bad job so far. Keep the faith!!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 30, 2010 9:57:29 GMT
mumf: And just how do we MAKE these quality players sign for us rather than waiting to see the full extent of the options open to them? We HAVE to wait to the last minute because the players we want won't simply LEAP at the chance to join Stoke when they know they will get other offers. Our hands are largely tied and it amazes me that anyone can't see that.
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Post by stockportpotter on Jul 30, 2010 10:00:04 GMT
Spot on there Doz. In my eyes Sausage, the management will see this year as THE most important so far. This is the final year of the 3 year plan to stay up and if we do it, then who knows what the future holds. Well, I am sure they know. The club, for once in my 22years of supporting, seems stable and has some direction.
Fans of other clubs may notlike our style but Bolton are entering their TENTH succesive season ion the prem and before that they yo-yoed ala WBA for a few seasons.
We haven't done this and you have to ask why? It cannot be down to anyone else other than, manager, chairman and board pulling in the same direction with one unltimate goal, to make Stoke City Football Club and established PL club with healthy foundations for it's future.
The fans are included in this too though many of them feel the club should be doing better than it already is. I ask you this, where would you like to be in five years, in the prem finishing 8th or lower, or back in the lower half of the Championship or lower? I know where I would like to be.
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Post by serpico on Jul 30, 2010 10:00:41 GMT
I get frustrated with the lack of transfers, but, i think you have to give some slack to the club, the people who we are dealing with are incredibly difficult, it would be very easy to just give a player what he, or his agent, is asking for, but thats what Pompey did and look what a state they're in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 10:02:52 GMT
mumf: And just how do we MAKE these quality players sign for us rather than waiting to see the full extent of the options open to them? We HAVE to wait to the last minute because the players we want won't simply LEAP at the chance to join Stoke when they know they will get other offers. Our hands are largely tied and it amazes me that anyone can't see that. There is of course the option of paying them more than what the other clubs are/may offer , but then Pulis would be criticised by some quarters yet again. I anm far than satisified with the current team IF and I mean IF we intend to push on. If we want to stand still.... then fair enough it's a different matter. All I do know is , that if Fuller gets injured as it stands , then we're in shit street.!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 30, 2010 10:08:52 GMT
Mumf: I know mate, I wish the hell we'd get a bit of quality in but it just aint easy.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 30, 2010 10:11:27 GMT
Vote Knowles!!
People's ability to snatch unhappiness and anxiety from the jaws of stability and fulfilment never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 10:13:52 GMT
Mumf: I know mate, I wish the hell we'd get a bit of quality in but it just aint easy. The point I am attempting to make is ...'' Is not better to offer that extra £ 2000 a week than lose the player altogether..?'' Pay that bit more to guarantee the players services.....Santa Cruz , Bellamy , Cole , etc. We don't want to be seen as penny pinching minge bags for ever do we..? It's not healthy...not good..! It detracts likely suitors to our cause.!
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Post by pasa on Jul 30, 2010 10:14:29 GMT
well if we're serious about a quality player like craig bellamy then lets do somthing about it, waiting on such a player is waiting for the inevitable to happen.
get it wrapped up stoke ffs.
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Post by stokiejack on Jul 30, 2010 10:15:48 GMT
i think id shit if this happened
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 10:26:40 GMT
If it was me....I'd hire one of those mobile 'Job Centre Advice' buses and park the thing right outside the MANCHESTER CITY players entrance and strategically place a sign next to it saying... ''Money grabbing mercinaries only please...''I'm sure there'd be a queue of inquisitive punters..! ;D
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jul 30, 2010 10:51:56 GMT
Mumf: I know mate, I wish the hell we'd get a bit of quality in but it just aint easy. The point I am attempting to make is ...'' Is not better to offer that extra £ 2000 a week than lose the player altogether..?'' Pay that bit more to guarantee the players services.....Santa Cruz , Bellamy , Cole , etc. We don't want to be seen as penny pinching minge bags for ever do we..? It's not healthy...not good..! It detracts likely suitors to our cause.! If you advocate that policy then you have to be prepared to get your wallet out next time it comes to renewing your season ticket then, mumf.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 30, 2010 11:13:28 GMT
The fact is, for most of the players we're talking about here, an extra £2K a week wouldn't make one jot of difference. Many of them know that they will get bigger clubs than us interested in them and some who are prepared to pay significantly more than we are able. It matters little what we offer them in July, they will still wait until the end of the transfer window to see what alternatives they have. Especially since many are already sitting on very good deals at their current clubs.
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Post by stokecityscott on Jul 30, 2010 11:15:02 GMT
pull your pants up its bullshit he will go to Fulham with Hughes.
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Post by Heisenbeech on Jul 30, 2010 11:19:34 GMT
No chance of this happening with Hughes back in the frame.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 30, 2010 11:24:17 GMT
Mumf: I know mate, I wish the hell we'd get a bit of quality in but it just aint easy. The point I am attempting to make is ...'' Is not better to offer that extra £ 2000 a week than lose the player altogether..?'' Pay that bit more to guarantee the players services.....Santa Cruz , Bellamy , Cole , etc. We don't want to be seen as penny pinching minge bags for ever do we..? It's not healthy...not good..! It detracts likely suitors to our cause.! Yes but at the same time we probably don't want to come across as reckless. If the chairman of citeh quit tomorrow they would be up the shitter with players on daft wages. If Coates left tomorrow the club would be in the shitter but it would be recoverable. I think we quite rightly have an opinion on what a player is worth and we won't pay over the odds pure and simple. Otherwise we would be paying SWP £100,000 a week which he certainly isnt worth in month of sundays.
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Post by armitagestokie on Jul 30, 2010 11:25:15 GMT
Bellend says he wants to fight for his place at Man City----10 pints of lager & my money's on him!
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Post by northweststokie on Jul 30, 2010 12:30:13 GMT
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Post by bostonstokie on Jul 30, 2010 12:45:17 GMT
Maybe Man City would prefer him to come to a non-challenger, and a team who isn't going to make their life difficult. And maybe they'd be willing to help such a team out financially to do the deal? I can absolutely see it. Why the hell, as FM pointed out, would ManCity loan him to Villa or Everton? Be like us loaning a player to Fulham or Brum, doesn't make any sense. So then narrow down the possibilities - who else could afford him but Stoke? Then add in it being a close move, guaranteed first team football, Welsh manager (had to come in handy some time...) The only thing in the way I can see is working out the wages with ManCity. EDIT: Yes, I suppose Fulham would be another possible destination. But at least we're not trying to convince a player who is already based in London...
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Post by knowles on Jul 30, 2010 13:51:08 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I love signing new players, but not for the sheer hell of it. We are ear-marking players to 'push us on', which is a policy I agree with. It could be something quite simple as Milner goes to Man City, McGeady goes to Villa, Lawrence goes to Celtic and we get Shaun Wright-Phillips. All of a sudden we'd be getting very excited. I think Mark O'Connor has been reading the Oatie "For example, if Manchester City sign James Milner, that will trigger it all off. "Aston Villa would spend that money and then another team will release someone else. It will all kick on after that." news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/8871922.stm
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Post by stokecityscott on Jul 30, 2010 13:57:46 GMT
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Post by fromafar07 on Jul 30, 2010 14:07:29 GMT
he would be a very welcome addition on the right wing imo !
oh sorry, im not supposed to say that am i ?? ok, how does it go ? "wank thread" 'No way in hell he'll come to Stoke" "you're fishing" "cant see it happening" is that better ??
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Post by pasa on Jul 30, 2010 14:13:07 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I love signing new players, but not for the sheer hell of it. We are ear-marking players to 'push us on', which is a policy I agree with. It could be something quite simple as Milner goes to Man City, McGeady goes to Villa, Lawrence goes to Celtic and we get Shaun Wright-Phillips. All of a sudden we'd be getting very excited. I think Mark O'Connor has been reading the Oatie "For example, if Manchester City sign James Milner, that will trigger it all off. "Aston Villa would spend that money and then another team will release someone else. It will all kick on after that." news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/8871922.stmne question though, what if the milner saga drags on and doesn't go through? ;D o neil has recent form in the likes of gareth barry.
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Post by pasa on Jul 30, 2010 17:57:09 GMT
manchester evening news says mark hughes is planning a raid for santa cruz, bellamy and stephen ireland. ... ffs sparky save us some. :/
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Post by bostonstokie on Jul 30, 2010 17:59:04 GMT
manchester evening news says mark hughes is planning a raid for santa cruz, bellamy and stephen ireland. ... ffs sparky save us some. :/ He can't have all three if the reports are to be believed that he has "only" 15m to spend.
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