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Post by basher on Mar 30, 2010 9:16:14 GMT
Most underated Keeper stoke ever had
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Post by nonington on Mar 30, 2010 9:22:12 GMT
Yes I do remember him-very good keeper. But perhaps you should have posted this on the main board. And I'd be quick because once some of our regular posters realise you're female-well I can't vouch for your safety!  |
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Post by french toast on Mar 30, 2010 9:23:03 GMT
i remember frank farmer, he took a bullet for whitney
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Post by Arthurdollar on Mar 30, 2010 9:27:06 GMT
I remember John he went to Wolstanton Grammer. He was a very nervy keeper after he got kicked in the head away against Man City. I was present at his horror show in Kaiserslauten. 4-1 I think.  |
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Post by londonjamie on Mar 30, 2010 9:43:16 GMT
what are you wearing, btw?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 30, 2010 15:27:11 GMT
Methinks we should have played Farmer instead of buying Shilton.  |
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Post by foxfield on Mar 30, 2010 15:47:09 GMT
John seemed to have a good future beckoning. He was not helped by the center half in front of him. Maurice Setters was quite often found out on the wing and kicking an attacker who he had a problem with.
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Post by nosleeptilchell on Mar 30, 2010 15:55:50 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, Farmer was the last home grown Stoke first team keeper we ever produced.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 30, 2010 15:56:42 GMT
I remember John he went to Wolstanton Grammer. He was a very nervy keeper after he got kicked in the head away against Man City. I was present at his horror show in Kaiserslauten. 4-1 I think. Yes, he was very good indeed at the outset winning an England U-23 cap. But, for no obvious reason his confidence went and he never regained it? As for Kaiserslautern Kapitulation, I saw the home game at the VG. Didn't the late John Ritchie hold the German all-comers record for the quickest sending off? 23 seconds wasn't it? |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Mar 30, 2010 16:23:04 GMT
We wasted good money on replacing Farmer when it was not needed.
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Post by iwwwsatv on Mar 30, 2010 16:30:43 GMT
oh yes... excellent keeper, if my memory serves me correct, we used to sing:
"Farmer is better than Yashin..........." That was some compliment as Yashin was a world class keeper.
It was the time I started watching Stoke in the old stoke end
players like Dobbin, Dodd, Bloor etc, geat memories
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 30, 2010 16:35:48 GMT
i always felt a bit sorry for JF, second fiddle to the great Gordon Banks followed by being replaced by Shilton. Maybe Waddo didn't have enough faith in him. Now we have Simmo out on loan 'cos we've got Thomas and Begovic. Often the problem with 'keepers, you need at least two good 'uns, and one of them won't be happy!
At least the outfield squad players have a chance, as a sub, or when players get injured, but keepers tend to stay clear, mostly
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Post by march4 on Mar 30, 2010 16:43:56 GMT
John Farmer was a better goalkeeper for our style of defence than Shilton and therefore we would have done better not buying Shilton.
Farmer suffered from being understudy to Banks then Shilton. At times, he seemed to let himself go a little and get overweight.
I last spoke to him when he was selling crisps as a rep. He was always a nice chap and readily accepted he could have made more of his career.
All in all, he was very underrated and deserves more recognition.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 30, 2010 16:54:56 GMT
Went Wolstanton Grammar School same time as JF. He was hero worshipped at school after his first game for Stoke even though we lost at home to arse 3-1. Remember him saving a Jimmy Greaves penalty at home to spurs and also making a stunning save from Bobby Charlton. He also won caps at U-23 level for England.
Most Stoke players from his era say that Waddo should have spent money buying a replacement for Big John Ritchie instead of splashing out on Shilton when JF was more than suitable as Banks replacement. King Denis, in his autobiography says this is the reason we didn't clinch old div 1 championship in 74-75 season.
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Post by march4 on Mar 30, 2010 17:01:55 GMT
Went Wolstanton Grammar School same time as JF. He was hero worshipped at school after his first game for Stoke even though we lost at home to arse 3-1. Remember him saving a Jimmy Greaves penalty at home to spurs and also making a stunning save from Bobby Charlton. He also won caps at U-23 level for England. Most Stoke players from his era say that Waddo should have spent money buying a replacement for Big John Ritchie instead of splashing out on Shilton when JF was more than suitable as Banks replacement. King Denis, in his autobiography says this is the reason we didn't clinch old div 1 championship in 74-75 season. DS does indeed make that point and he is correct. |
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Post by JimmyisGod on Mar 30, 2010 17:09:28 GMT
Yes I also went to Wolstanton Grammar School at the same time as john, he was a year younger, we both played together for the school cricket team. He was a very good fast bowler - well he scared me stiff bowling at me!
Very good goalkeeper who seemed to lose confidence, he went out on loan to Leicester City for a while.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 30, 2010 17:11:28 GMT
Yes I also went to Wolstanton Grammar School at the same time as john, he was a year younger, we both played together for the school cricket team. He was a very good fast bowler - well he scared me stiff bowling at me! Very good goalkeeper who seemed to lose confidence, he went out on loan to Leicester City for a while. He was also a good basketball player if I remember rightly. Finished as player then manager at Northwich Victoria. |
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Post by ivorstokie on Mar 30, 2010 17:12:31 GMT
I was also at Wolstanton GS at the same time as JF. I think he was in the year below me and his older brother Derek was in my year. I believe Derek went on to become a high-ranking Police officer. Anyone know what happened to John? I seem to remember him writing poetry at one time and having a daughter who was a useful tennis player. Didn't he live in Florida for a time?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 30, 2010 17:16:24 GMT
WCGS renunion anyone???
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Mar 30, 2010 18:33:30 GMT
Methinks we should have played Farmer instead of buying Shilton. Definitely. Shilton was far from his best when he played for us ,whereas Farmer had very few poor games . I remember once he saved a shot from Jimmy Greaves that was deflected and he twisted in mid air somehow and pulled off one of the best saves I have ever seen ,Greaves applauded the save and walked up and shook his hand. |
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Mar 30, 2010 21:50:54 GMT
Methinks we should have played Farmer instead of buying Shilton. Very astute. Farmer was a great keeper. Shilton was a great keeper too, but as interesting as lettuce. Hey Basher. Hello My name's K4. I am the smart one.  |
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Post by surreystokie on Mar 30, 2010 22:13:30 GMT
Understudy to Banks and Shilton, maybe, but much better at writing poetry. Or have I got the wrong one?
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 30, 2010 22:55:43 GMT
Farmer became a bit shaky then made an error at Chelsea which turned a win into a draw. That seemed the final straw for Waddo who got Shilton soon after. I agree that if that money had gone on a replacement for Richie it would have been better.
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Post by basher on Mar 30, 2010 23:26:19 GMT
I am glad you all remember my Father so well and its great to hear all of your comments good and bad
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Post by hamburgpotter on Mar 31, 2010 7:44:07 GMT
All you lot who went Grammar school with John Farmer what year was that ? I cant remember him so must have been b4 my time, I was there 72 to 76 when Kenny Williams was the beek!
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Post by rabbigan on Mar 31, 2010 8:03:36 GMT
John,
Was a superb keeper. At one time easily the best in the country.
later seemed to lose confidence.
I was hugely sorry we did not persevere with him.
Tremendous talent and hope he is still well and enjoying life.
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Post by rabbigan on Mar 31, 2010 8:04:08 GMT
John,
Was a superb keeper. At one time easily the best in the country.
later seemed to lose confidence.
I was hugely sorry we did not persevere with him.
Tremendous talent and hope he is still well and enjoying life.
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Post by ivorstokie on Mar 31, 2010 8:12:37 GMT
You're way too young, Hamburg! John Farmer would have left school in about 1964/65. I remember KW as well - he was head from about 1960.
So where's your dad now, Basher?
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Post by paul2caz on Mar 31, 2010 8:42:31 GMT
I RECAL A GAME AT CHELSEA WE WERE WINNING 3-O AND JF LET 3 IN TO MAKE IT 3-3 IN THE 2nd HALF it was a very muddy pitch JF got his feet well stuck in it that day. Great heeper though true legend
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Post by gzirastokie on Mar 31, 2010 8:50:43 GMT
remember him well i was also at wolstanto school with him he was 2 years or so older
than me and played footbaal at dinner breaks though the school looked down on football at the time .........always thought if we had kept him not got shilton and bought Peter Osgood would have won the league in my opinion
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