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Post by Amo on Feb 7, 2004 18:59:17 GMT
Seemed to be on the cards for a while but just announced on Sky Sports.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 7, 2004 19:21:47 GMT
He may have done a poor job but the decisions come at the wrong time. At this stage of the season they need stability for their relegation fight. Look how long it took TP to settle in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2004 19:29:15 GMT
This looks like a job for Chris Kamara
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 7, 2004 19:32:33 GMT
It does indeed, Gareth. Is Alan Durban still alive to assist him?
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Post by Milkie on Feb 7, 2004 19:40:24 GMT
Just spoke to a,distraught, mate of mine who's a huge Forest fan. It was obviously on the cards, very poor displays, they are apparently in finacial disarray and relegation is a very real threat. The fans are 60-40 in favour of Nigel Clough over Stuart Pearce to replace Paul Hart. Cloughie just gets it because of the similarity of the circumstances from when his old man took over at Forest
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Post by Linx on Feb 7, 2004 19:45:20 GMT
It's tragic when you consider how well they did last season. I still 'thank' Forest for giving our season the kick up the backside that it sorely needed last year. Hart's unlucky - he's had his team sold from under him and had some crucial injuries (notably Johnson).
What next for him - Leeds? ???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2004 19:55:30 GMT
that's been a big fall from grace for Hart, especially as he was considered one of the brightest up and coming managers in the country last season and linked with a few bigger jobs in the press. Forest looked one of the best passing 'football' teams we played last season, not so much the 0-6 at the City Ground when we were crap, more so the way they knocked it round at the Brit in that 2-2 draw - sublime stuff, some of the best I can remember from a rival team at the Brit, ever. I suppose you could draw similarities at Forest with Bristol Rovers a couple of years ago when they lost Jamie Cureton and Jason Roberts - instantly going from Division Two promotion favourites to being relegated down to Divison Three within a year... same seems to have happened with Forest with the sale of Marlon Harewood + the injury to David Johnson.. losing last years forward-line has instantly zapped 50-odd goals from their goals scored column wonder what Brynjar is thinking ???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2004 20:03:49 GMT
although that said....
Hart has still been able to sign Gareth Taylor and Marlon King this season, two players who've been more than good enough for 15-20 goals in Division One at Burnley and Gillingham before now...
just not good enough as a manager to bring the best out of what he has?
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Post by onewaynebiggins on Feb 7, 2004 20:53:42 GMT
I wonder how long it will be before cunterill is linked with the job?
onewaynebiggins
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 7, 2004 20:57:51 GMT
He'll be linked with it-but it won't be high profile enough for him-Not even Madrid is!
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Post by Pricey on Feb 7, 2004 21:06:46 GMT
Glenn Hoddle looks like he might take the job at the moment, although his wages may be a stumbling block.
After that you've got Clough and Pearce who would work for peanuts, and 'our Steve' who could probably do a job given the chance.
Difficult to see outside of those 4. If I'm to believe the various media sources the only problem Forest have is scoring goals, with the rest of their play being mid-table stuff. Although what Milkie says perhaps suggests otherwise.
If I was the chairman I'd go for Clough or Cotterill.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2004 23:42:31 GMT
Apparently Glenn Hoddle is a mate of their chairman. Heard Chris waddle asked about rumours that he was going to take over with his mate Glenn and he denied all knowledge of it.
Whoever takes over they need players with some Stuart Pearce like resilience.
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Post by Milkie on Feb 7, 2004 23:52:54 GMT
Pricey, Barney, me Forest mate, says that while they didn't play badly for the first 7/8 games of the run the lack of a goal scorer has effected the whole team, to the point where the lot of them are producing absolute rubbish. The new manager issue has been a topic of discussion for 4 or 5 games. Forget Cottrill and Hoddle there is no money at Forest and they need someone to galvanise the whole club, fan base included, very quickly. Step forward Clough or Pearce.
Have to add I really quite like Forest, a lot of Forest mates who were A. really light on th banter after the thumping they gave us last year.
B. All wanted us to stay up. Down with the Rams!!
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Post by Coll40 on Feb 8, 2004 0:02:36 GMT
Anyone but Jug Ears - I really hope he doesn't get a job in football ever again. Or if he does, he flops badly.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 0:29:25 GMT
I want him to get a job in football...mopping out the shithouse at Stranraer would be his niche IMHO.
If he ever gets another job I want him to fail miserably and have to come to Stoke to make the longest walk of his life.
The thing is, I'm a very understanding man who sees the wider picture of football. Also, I fully appreciate the fact that he was carving a career for himself and he saw SCFC as a step towards bigger things. But theres the right and wrong ways of doing things. His hasty departure was so disrespectful and downright offensive, we are surely allowed to give a little smirk at his failure.
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Post by Coll40 on Feb 8, 2004 0:49:18 GMT
Joe - I'm very understanding too - or try to be. In my 42 years I've never held a grudge. That's why I hate him so much - he's the only bloke who I really can't stand. I've got more respect for slugs and snails - probably because they're not as slimy.
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Post by markscfc72 on Feb 8, 2004 0:55:44 GMT
it would be best if he got the fail job and fcuked it up big style ;D
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 0:56:39 GMT
Me too. Despite my understandingness and lack of malice as a human being, if he was on an opposing bench at Stoke, I would swap my season ticket for the day to get a seat near his dugout so I could yell lots of nasty things at him. And I'm one of the reasonable ones!
Of course, thats if I happen to be in England at the time.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 1:07:42 GMT
Firstly, the Forest managerial situation. I feel Quitterill is a better candidate than Pearce because he has a few years managerial experience in a variety of positions. Fair enough, his time at Stoke and Sunderland combined to about 8 months so most of his work was done at Cheltenham but I don't think someone like Stuart Pearce could do anything to correct a slide such as the one Forest are on, mainly due to his of his lack of experience. Sure, he'd try and get the players playing for the shirt (which could be unsuccessful as Forest have a lot of young players who would rather pass the ball than charge around for 90 minutes and there would be no time to get more than 1 or 2 fighters in), but I don't think there would be a lot else. Quitterill (to my mind anyway) knows more about the game than Pearce and would accept relatively low wages (more than Clough sure) as he has been out of work for a good while considering his age. Thinking about this point further though, due to the lack of recent involvement as a manager from both Pearce and Quitterill, I'd say Nigel Clough is the best option. Hoddle would take them down and be a very costly mistake in my opinion.
Now onto Mr. Quitterill, I've had more than my say on the matter because I came out in partial defence of him at the time of his departure to Sunderland. I can remember being repremanded by Davef after I told him he was talking bollocks when he said that the Stoke job was too much of a challenge for Quitterill, and thats why he went. I on the other hand saw it as him wanting to get to top as quickly as possible, ignoring any thoughts of a few years in each rung of the football ladder and focusing his eyes solely on the big time. I agree with Joe when he says it was the manner of his departure that means we can all be forgiven for a having a giggle at Quitterill's failings, but from my view the chance was there for him and he took it before anything could get in the way. I do find myself instinctively booing whenever he appears on Sky so there must be something in my mind that says he was in the wrong, but as far as I'm concerned what Steve Quitterill did was what 99% of us would have done in the same position.
Edit- Sorry Steve if your reading this, I've been 'Oatcaked' with the Quitterill thing, I'd never stoop to such pathetic lows! ;D
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 1:15:10 GMT
On the subject of Judas managerial experience forget his time at Sunderland. He was the assistant there and its a different job from being manager. Which is one reason, amongst several, why his decision to move to Sunderland was so silly and hastily made. It wasn't a step up it was effectively a demotion. He went from being a manger to being an assistant. (teaboy?)
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 1:19:39 GMT
If it would have worked out for Wilkinson and Quitterill last season, I'm sure the plan was for the former to move upstairs in 1 or 2 years with the latter taking full managerial responsibility of a middle of the road Premiership club.
I don't think Quitterill would have taken the job otherwise Joe.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 1:25:57 GMT
I don't think Quitterill would have taken the job otherwise Joe.
Well in that case he's just an idiot. 1 for tying his loyalty to a man who has been a spent force for many years and 2 thinking that a plan hatched in football will come to fruition in a few years. Things move on rapidly in this old game of ours. Whose to say, even if Wilkinson had stabilised them and moved upstairs the board wouldn't want someone with more top level managerial experience?
He wasted the best stepping stone his career could have got.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 1:30:32 GMT
OK then, maybe the moving upstairs was planned for the end of 2002/2003.
We all make mistakes Joe, it's just that the decision to appoint Wilkinson and Quitterill by Sunderland F.C. and the subsequent acceptance by our then manager were 2 very big ones.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 1:33:41 GMT
Yes and we are the ones who got shat on so we are entitled to feel aggrieved.
Having said that I don't necessarily think we'd be in a particularly stronger position if he'd stayed.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 1:45:31 GMT
But I don't think we need to feel aggrieved in the sense that we will abuse him for 90 minutes upon his return, if indeed there ever is one!
Anyone would think he has been slagging us off for the last year the way most fans have reacted. To be fair I haven't seen that much in the way of Quitterill-bashing recently but as this thread proves it's still around.
Support the team for God's sake. I know 15,000 people will choose to have a go whatever I say, but for me if he it's time we forgot about it and looked to the future. Do you not think it is in any way weird that we will (and I know we will) get on his back for 90 minutes even if we don't see him back at Brit for a few years?!
It all seems over the top and totally un-needed to me.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 1:53:10 GMT
Oh Pricey, its un-needed. Its not essential but its just handing out the verbal panning he deserves.
We do all support the team. Its our support of the team which has triggered off the vitriol for loyalty man. He mistreated something very important to us all. He used our daughter for sex. He finished shagging her and never spoke to her again. He was ringing a taxi as soon as he'd shot his load. Being reasonable parents we know that these things happen and he could have finished with her and treated her with the dignity she deserves but he mistreated her badly. How do you expect us to react?
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 2:02:31 GMT
INITIAL reaction- go fucking mad.
Joe, can you honestly say (cross your heart and hope to die, stick a sausage in your eye) that if you were in exactly the same position (you aren't a Stoke fan remember, and have done a coaching course which makes you think you are some kind of footballing know it all, destined for managerial greatness) you would have refused the offer from Wilkinson and Sunderland?
And if you had accepted the offer, that you would have acted in a way that different from Quitterill?!
Edit- I'm going to bed now Joe, so if you reply I'll get back to you in the morning. Have a good day.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 2:17:53 GMT
Yes I can honestly say that. Lets say I've just taken over as manager of Watford and I state clearly that one day I want to manage at the top level. As manager I make a steady start at Vicarage Road. Not too spectacular but things are coming together nicely and gradually we are improving. Then Man city sack Keegan and are wanting to appoint my old mate and mentor Graeme Souness. (all hypothetical remember ) Souness rings me and asks me to be his assistant I'd politely explain that I have only just started my job at Vicarage Road and there is still lots to do do prove myself there before taking the next step. In any case being assistant after being manager as not necessarily a career step forward. I'd thank him for the offer but politely decline on account of the fact that in a fw years I may be able to be a manager in the top flight, perhaps with Watford, and not just a teaboy.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 8, 2004 10:49:05 GMT
My personal opinion is that the guy is a hypocritical, back-stabbing bastard. The guy came in, preached loyalty and hard work, and at the first sign of a chance to move on (not up) he fucked off without a care in the world for us.
When/if he returns I will be verbally abusing him with a bit more passion than I abuse the usual boo boys (Merson, Wise etc.)
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 11:44:00 GMT
Fair enough then Joe, but if I knew I would have (all things being well, Sunderland still in the Premiership) taken over the managers job at the end of the season I would have gone. My ties in Stoke were virtually non-existant, I was allowed to bring in only Chris Greenacre over the summer and I was caught in the middle of an Icelandic power struggle which meant all ties with Gudjon Thordarson had to be relinquished at all costs, even if this meant good players were (sooner or later) gotten rid of.
RRP- like I said at the time, that 'loyalty, committment and hard work' stuff Cotterill came out with was new managerial spiel to get the fans onside straight away. I think it's safe to assume that Cotterill was expecting to be at Stoke for a good while, and the opportunity to go to a bigger club came much, much sooner than he or anyone else expected.
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