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Post by ucheterstokie on Feb 7, 2004 16:26:10 GMT
Lost all respect for him as a manager and person,in the way he his disrespecting Ranieri with his comments about being linked with the Chelsea job,i hope the F A,get rid of him,and he never gets the Chelsea job if it becomes available
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2004 23:38:28 GMT
I reckon Sven is a brilliant England manager and would like him to continue up to 2006.
But the point has to be made that he has handled this whole Chelsea situation very carelessly. He certainly hasn't helped himself by making little hints. Being photographed walking in to meet Chelseas hierarchy was just foolish. Confusing that a man usually so sagacious had allowed this to become public.
As I said, I don't want him to leave England but his dealing with this affair has been a destabilising effect on his reign.
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Post by Coll40 on Feb 8, 2004 0:05:33 GMT
I went off him when he was pictured walking out of Abramovic's place. He tried to make out they were old friends - didn't even have the bottle to admit he was talking about a job.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 0:20:32 GMT
If he does leave England he'd be fully entitled to do so but the way he's gone about all this has been rather devious. Mainly because Ranieri is employed by Chelsea.
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Post by dazza_stoke on Feb 8, 2004 11:12:47 GMT
I wish sven would hurry up and leave, he is a poor manager that scrapes lucky draws and wins against sides we should really be beating.
apart from the odd one or two the players have no passion and thats because the manager is foreign, its england the manager should be english.
The idiot keeps picking Heskey and James despite poor performances and the fact that the latter was playing in division one.
and the way he plays our best player Steven Gerrard out of position, he should be in the center where he can stop play and run at defenders, not on the left side of a midfield diamond where he has no influence on the play at all.
He is a poor manager who is living on the Germany result, the sooner he leaves for Chelsea the better.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 11:23:49 GMT
He has lost only one competitive match and that was against Brazil in the quarter final of the World Cup. Admittedly our exit was tepid but that is the only negative about Svens time in charge. Scraping draws and wins against sides we should be beating? Like when? We only beat Macedonia 22-1. But the most important thing is the result. The current England side does show passion. The difference is that it now manifests itself by way of a team focussing on the task in hand and playing measured football to get a result. Look at the performance at home to Turkey and against Argentina. They oozed style and panache. Under Keegan it the passion we all crave just meant a sequence of red cards in important games. That was Keegan who had the passion...but little else.
AND at the moment no English manager is equipped to do the job. If Sven leaves, and I don't want him to, the sensible man will have to be another foreigner.
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Post by dazza_stoke on Feb 8, 2004 12:30:16 GMT
The Turkey games, Germany and the first half against Denmark in the World Cup is the only time we have played like we should.
Against Argentina we played the whole of the second half with a 10-0-0 formation and were unlucky not to lose about 10-1.
Alan Curbishly could do the England job, he is very experienced and succesful at club level and deserves a go with England.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 12:34:21 GMT
Unlucky not to lose 10-1?! Argentina hardly had a chance in the 2nd half if I remember correctly! And what about that 20-odd pass move culminating in Teddy Sheringham volleying just over from 25 yards?!
Sven is a very good manager in my book, but I don't like all this Chelsea business.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 12:41:47 GMT
Against Argentina we played the whole of the second half with a 10-0-0 formation and were unlucky not to lose about 10-1. For the first twenty minutes of the second half we ripped into them. We played some of the best football in the entire tournament in that spell. Then we defended strongly and ended up limiting Argentina, among the favourites foir the tournament, to long range shots. Look at the quality of Argentinas players it was a tremendous achievement beating them but, as ever, England don't get the credit they deserve for these things.
Alan Curbishley is doing a tremendous job for Charlton but, as I said before, there is no English manager with the right credentials to manage the national team.
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Post by dazza_stoke on Feb 8, 2004 13:11:29 GMT
Well i despise the guy and the sooner he moves to Chelsea the better.
I didnt like the idea of a foreigner managing England in the first place.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 13:13:24 GMT
Did you mind the idea of a foreigner managing Stoke?
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Post by dazza_stoke on Feb 8, 2004 13:36:49 GMT
Thats different
This is ENGLAND we are talking about, what next foreign players being allowed to play for England as well?
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 13:41:13 GMT
Well no, but in order to make any progress on a world stage we need to have an Italian, Spanish or Scandinavian coach that is able to do more than Mike Bassett 2-0 down at half-time to the 'fucking Mexicans'.
Taylor didn't work, Venables didn't work, Hoddle didn't work, Keegan didn't work...so why will Curbishly?
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 13:50:02 GMT
Even allowing for the differences between club and international management, its common sense that the national manager should have experience of winning trophies at the top level. At this point in time no English manager has won a major trophy since Brian Little in 1996. That experience of success with top level players simply isn't there with the current English managers. If it means for England best chance of qualifying for tournaments and holding their own when there employing a foreigner so be it. We could have stuck with Wilkinson, not qualified for the World Cup and then not suffered that humiliating victory over Argentina!
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Post by dazza_stoke on Feb 8, 2004 13:51:18 GMT
It might not but at least he is English and will have some pride.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 8, 2004 13:53:56 GMT
Eriksson has plenty of pride, he just doesn't show it like Keegan et al. would.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2004 13:59:58 GMT
Pride? Graham Taylors no hopers getting hammered in Norway. That was an English manager where was the pride then? That shambles that bumbled through a 0-0 draw at home to Bulgaria that was Hoddle an English manager too.
It doesn't have to be an English manager to get the team to show pride. Anyway this Egland side has plenty of pride. Just won the group to qualify for a major tournament and you get an accusation of no pride. I bet Turrkeywishthey had as little pride as us then they might have qualified instead of us!!
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