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Post by dexter97 on Feb 27, 2008 10:01:12 GMT
The ref was guilty of incompetence and being a blatant "homer", but I agree with RAF - Talk of a betting scam just destroys our credibility in this argument. However, there's no doubt in my mind that this clown's obvious bias (intentional or otherwise) - A nailed-on penalty claim turned down and the fact that Preston's cynical fouling in the first half went virtually unpunished - probably did affect the result.
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Post by RAF on Feb 27, 2008 10:10:04 GMT
It's true the ref was a shit poor unprofessional wankbag with myopia. That said had we put all our chances away we would have won by 3 or 4. We didn't , no conspiracy theory, just wank reffing with wank finishing by us.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 27, 2008 10:45:22 GMT
I agree with RAF for a change. If the ref had been involved in any scam he'd have at least tried to make it look as if he was halfway competant as a referee. Wank Ref, wank display of finishing and defending by Stoke and Preston took their chances - end of story.
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Post by GeordieDave on Feb 27, 2008 11:40:30 GMT
I was so angered by the ref's performance that I emailed a work contact of mine who is an ex-League referee and someone whose opinion I trust and value.
Ive cut and pasted my original email and his response and also included the email address for Keith Hackett, who is essentially the FA's refereeing guru and the one man in the land who can probably give us a proper feedback.
Can I appeal to all fellow Stokies not to email Hackett, this would be unfair and will probably sensationalise things out of all proportion.
Can I suggest that Fornside drops him a line? Its his post and he is also an elqouent bugger who can be the delegated seeker of truth and justice on behalf of all Stokies that witnessed it. I hope you dont mind John?
My contacts comments make real interesting reading and perhaps, just perhaps, the ref got this right and we got it wrong?
From memory the ref did not adopt this neautral stance during the Eduardo injury and he also went over to see Calum Davidson when he has the "blood" injury in the first half.
I think we deserve a proper answer to our questions, why the feck didnt he come over??????
HIS EMAIL
If you would like to you can write to Keith.hacket@thefa.com Just to mention however before You write that he would have been assessed on overall performance.
On his position during the stoppage he was following guidlines, the centre circle is the neutral zone, also if a ref goes to the area of anger and a player or official confronts him the player or official could find themselves sent off and the ref accused of incitement, similarly if a ref walks to the six yard area in front of 3000 angry fans the police will not thank him for that. Finally and harsh as it may seem, to effectively manage a game and the aftermath of such an incident, where possible, the ref has to remain distant, it is ok for players to have feelings of anger or emotion around an incident but such emotions will not assist the ongoing management of the game
Hope this is of assistance, good luck with Keith Hacket
MY EMAIL
Hi X
A non work email. Hope you don't mind. I went to watch Stoke at Preston last night and was genuinely appalled at what I'd perceive to be the single most cowardly act of refereeing I've ever seen. And this isn't sour grapes. Preston were worthy winners.
The ref had a shocker. He was a real homer and made some bad decisions. This happens. No problem.
After about 60 mins our centre half Leon Cort was badly injured. Suspected broken leg. The Stoke physio and Preston physios and St Johns Ambulance and several stewards all crowded round him. The game was delayed for five minutes and he was stretchered off. The lad was clearly in bits, the home AND away benches all involved. The ref stayed in the centre circle for all of this period.
The ref, nor either of his assistants, came over to see how he was. This was simply because the injury happened in the six yard box and 3000 angry Stoke fans were behind the goal. It was a simple act of cowardice. He bottled it.
How can I complain? Who heads up refereeing in the UK. Is it Keith Hackett?
Any idea how I can email or write to him?
The lad should never ref again. It was his game, his watch. He really let himself down.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Good luck to Ipswich for the rest of the season.
Regards
David Lovenbury
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Post by serpico on Feb 27, 2008 13:02:57 GMT
Appointing a 22-year old , wet behind the ears ref in a fiery Championship game. Absolutely disgraceful 22
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Post by lordb on Feb 27, 2008 13:40:35 GMT
I didnt go to the game & listened to it on 5live (& the Radio Stoke @ half time).
Mark Lawrenson (ex PNE player & unashamed supporter) was pretty fair in summary (as far as I can tell) but he slaughtered Fuller for diving for the penno appeal.
Cullerton & Akres were adament that it was a stonewall penno.
cant both be right.
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Post by markscfc72 on Feb 27, 2008 14:13:55 GMT
I've already posted this on another thread... but I feel so strongly about it...There is no point whatsoever in trying to blame the referee for tonight's defeat. We handed a poor team a two goal lead and then we squandered enough clear-cut chances to win TWO games. We have no one to blame but ourselves - though it was just one of those nights. However, that does not excuse this utterly incompetent and cheating referee from getting it with both barrels. He was disgraceful from start to finish and it is hard to recall such a shocking display of officiating from one man in one game. His refusal to send off the player who was already on a yellow card and who cynically scythed down Ricardo Fuller just before half-time was shameful cowardice at best and, it has to be said, cheating at worst. He KNEW he had top send the player off but he didn't do it. Of course, the referee showed no such leniency to ANY Stoke player who committed a similar foul in the second half! Even worse though was leaving a clearly injured Leon Cort to writhe in agony while he allowed the game to continue. This from the same referee who earlier in the game stopped a Stoke attack so that a Preston player, who was sitting up and not looing too distressed, could receive treatment. Even as BOTH sets of physios administered treatment and the stretcher was called for, this disgusting excuse for a referee stood 70 yards away and made no attempt to see if Cort was okay - the bloke could have been fighting for his life and this prick wouldn't have cared! Even as Cort was stretchered off he couldn't walk a few yards to see how he was. The referee is simply beneath contempt. smudge, i have e-mailed that to the football league mate, hope you dont mind. Ill let you know if i get a reply, probabaly wont be very good.
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Post by markscfc72 on Feb 27, 2008 14:19:20 GMT
last nights ref has been given Huddersfield Town v Swansea City on saturday
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Post by twitters on Feb 27, 2008 14:26:42 GMT
Well this was Eddie Jackson's comment on the same referee when we (PVFC) beat Millwall 3-1:
"Ref Oliver started erratically, rightly booking Herd but being too lenient with Laird after two early fouls. It was his first season at this level and at times it showed."
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Post by markscfc72 on Feb 27, 2008 14:28:54 GMT
twitters
is that the same Ediie Jackson who used to be a high school teacher, if so he used to teach me, i hope hes well
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Post by knowles on Feb 27, 2008 14:35:38 GMT
I emailed the FL after a woeful performance for a ref in a home match against Southend last season.
Fair play, the actual referee responded to me with a full detailed explanation.
I hope Mr Oliver does the same- could make for interesting reading!
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Post by markscfc72 on Feb 27, 2008 14:48:31 GMT
cool, i eagerly await my response now then, could be intresting
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 27, 2008 14:49:23 GMT
Mark Lawrenson (ex PNE player & unashamed supporter) was pretty fair in summary (as far as I can tell) but he slaughtered Fuller for diving for the penno appeal. I'm afraid Ricardo's reputation precedes him now. IMHO it's not a reputation earned because he dives, but because of the way he goes down. He's also probably one of the biggest mardarses I've ever seen when he doesn't get the decision, which can't help how he's viewed. Having said that, if you ask me who's opinion are we inclined to believe - Preston-supporting football ignoramus Lawrenson, or Mumbling Mick and John Acres?
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Post by iwwwsatv on Feb 27, 2008 16:21:55 GMT
Hold on.................get this prick demoted to non-league football as soon as possible. NO thanks, we have enough Richard Heads in non league football thank you.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 27, 2008 16:57:52 GMT
If you guys take a read of the match day thread, you'll see that we knew what was going on in Cyberspace.
Yes the Radio Stoke team can be slightly biased but you could hear them whincing at some of the challenges that went unpunished.
Betting scandal...........bollox. It could only have been organised by our lot as a subsidy to wages. Missed more chances than we normally get in two games.
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 27, 2008 17:15:10 GMT
A few months ago I vowed to amend my ways and stop hurling foul mouthed abuse at the officials - without them there would be no game and they are doing their best. I have to admit that last night I broke that vow and let rip my full anger in a torrent of expletives aimed at the incompetent buffoon, suitably attired IMHO in YELLOW! I was only marginally less forgiving of Liam Lawrence when he failed, Parkinesque, to oput away the best chance of the season ;D Ric too, didn't escape my wrath for 3 missed chances and a series of petulant acts that could / should have got him his 10th yellow card of the season. Maybe the ref realised that a yellow for Ric would be the final nail after he showed such lack of balls not to send off the Preston player who hacked Ric down on halfway, and also failed to properly punish the cynical trip on the edge of our box as we were about to launch a breakaway. As many have said on here, the ref was a disgrace but our own poor finishing cost us the points. Some of the players are looking a bit jaded so maybe a rest might do them good - starts for Salif and Gally on Sunday?
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Post by slangking on Feb 27, 2008 17:39:13 GMT
I'm afraid those laughing off suggestions of a betting scam clearly have no knowledge of the extent of match fixing these days. The flow of money on Preston and the lack of money on Stoke which meant that Preston were clear favourites before the game can only mean that this was a bent game, the performance of the ref just indicates that it was him who was involved. Okay we missed chances but who's to say he wouldn't have then sent one of ours off or given them a penalty? As it is he denied us a clear penalty, didn't send one of their players off, the free kick that led to their goal was a joke, even the Radio 5 commentators were mystified at some of his decisions. This is nothing to do with sour grapes, it isn't as if they will play the game again, but this game stank, it could cost us promotion, it needs investigating and this referee has to be looked at closely by the league. The flood of money on Preston before the game when they are in the bottom 3 and we are top made no sense whatsoever unless those betting knew the result beforehand.
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Post by meirite on Feb 27, 2008 20:12:20 GMT
TP had a go at the way the refs were not giving stoke anything ie penaltys 50 50s any protection whatsoever inconsistency in bookings it seemed theyed made their minds up before kick-off that stoke are a bunch of cynical thugs who deserve all that they get so last night was payback time for Tone from the league knowing a kid still wet behind the ears wouldn't dare upset the locals so he'd be 100% homer And he will not be the last one this season im afraid
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Post by ChesterStokie on Feb 27, 2008 21:59:15 GMT
At the time I never noticed the ref didn't come over to the Cort injury, but I certainly noticed that none of Cort's teammates bothered to see how he was. I thought this was very odd.
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Post by markscfc72 on Feb 28, 2008 13:17:09 GMT
cool, i eagerly await my response now then, could be intresting this is my reply Dear Mr Roberts We are in receipt of your email. Whilst referees may make mistakes, as do players and managers, they do not cheat and no further action will be taken with your communication. Patricia Brown Customer Services The Football League www.football-league.co.uk
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Post by Wonto on Feb 28, 2008 14:07:02 GMT
Does anyone know an email address for whoever appoints referees i.e. the Football League as I want to complain about the appointment. The main complaint is that this person is the youngest referee in the league, it was only his second game in the Championship & this was a top versus bottom clash. Always a match where the referee could be put under tremendous pressure. He just didn't have the experience at this level to referee a match of this intensity and when the inevitable happened became a 'homer' to relieve some of the pressure on himself by responding to the home crowd. It wouldn't take a genius to have been able to work this out in advance and the League have to held responsible.
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Post by powchirper on Feb 28, 2008 14:15:53 GMT
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Post by knowles on Feb 28, 2008 14:16:25 GMT
Well done Patricia, very informative
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Post by markscfc72 on Feb 28, 2008 14:16:46 GMT
fl@football-league.co.uk
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Post by soundforce on Feb 28, 2008 18:50:27 GMT
Whilst it was our fault for the loss at preston (we could have played untill 12 and not scored, it was one of those games!) the ref was a total disgrace! I have never ever seen anybody who was as incompetant as that fool! He made Rob Styles look like Collina. I was fuming at the time and i dont even think he was cheating us on purpose! He really was that bad! He gave corners that were goal kicks and goal kicks that were corners! Im sure there 2nd goal came from a Preston goal kick that should have been a corner.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Feb 28, 2008 20:07:35 GMT
Sent an email of complaint to the Football League Don't believe in the fix claim. Preston have a very good recent home record and had not lost on a Tuesday night for hundreds of years RAF Sidebe needn't be in on a betting scam to stop him missing sitters!
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Post by Adster on Feb 28, 2008 20:20:11 GMT
in the sky magazine there is a little snippet about our favourite young referee ;D
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