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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2009 14:18:15 GMT
It's truly incredible how opinion swings on this board. Last week we were world beaters after a fine performance in a losing effort, this week we are going down. For weeks fans have been clamouring for Tuncay to play, citing him as the answer...yet results get worse after he plays well but misses sitters in both games...and yes, he should have scored in both games...no excuses. Surely everyone can see that expectation as been running way ahead of reality all season long, a fact that Pulis has been very keen to point out. Think that Sunderland are 2 pts above us but have 20+ million pounds of strikers up front! It's a much closer league than even last season and we all need to be thoughtful of that, be thankful Tone is (as asked) finally playing one of the best footballers we have had in 30 years, and playing good football.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 27, 2009 14:20:46 GMT
Great post and you are spot on in your comments
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Post by actongatestokie on Dec 27, 2009 14:31:45 GMT
Great original post fella.
I agree with your sentiments that we have played better football since Tuncay has got a regular starting spot up front, in the withdrawn role.
We've lost both games because we've played against better teams. Villa are bang in form and Man City are a top class group of individuals who can ebb and flow from top form to bottom form.
It's not hard to understand that you will lose games in the Premier League. Its a fine dividing line at the best of times, that line is even finer when you are dealing with some of the best of the best.
We are going through a rough period where the manager is trying to turn his team from one that is a grinding team that plays very rigid and direct to one that can incorporate players like Tuncay and play more expressive football.
That takes a lot of time and a lot of patience.
Every team that has been in this league for more than 2 seasons has gone through exactly the same ordeal, with the supporters' asking the same questions.
We're no different.
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Post by fromafar07 on Dec 27, 2009 15:52:10 GMT
So the team that played Villa off the park at times last week is now not good enough even though up until the goal today we were the better team and AGAIN should have scored first. At times I hope Pulis gets sacked just so we can appoint some other manager and get relegated (obviously I never want us to do badly, but you get my point) Yes we finished way above expectations last season, but due to this we now have crazy expectations on here at times and down at the ground we start to boo our own players for passing the balls backwards to a team mate when no one up front is making a move Tuncay is world class and since he has started we have played better football, but we have lost both games. This place is so depressing after a loss, people selling there season tickets etc. GOOD, I say, we are better without you moaning clowns down the ground. Yes Tony's team selections may seem strange at times, but he has got us here, kept us here last season and until we get relegated and look like we aren't coming back up then we can look at replacing him. Until then shut the fook up and support the team and manager.  talk about "should have" "could have" would have" or shouda couda wouda where i come from !! this thread says it all, we did not play well yesterday, neither did they for that matter, and the Villa game we did play pretty well, but we didnt score in either game and neither did we win or draw either game !! who doesn't moan after a loss ??? especially losing 3 of 4 |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 27, 2009 15:54:14 GMT
Great original post fella. I agree with your sentiments that we have played better football since Tuncay has got a regular starting spot up front, in the withdrawn role. We've lost both games because we've played against better teams. Villa are bang in form and Man City are a top class group of individuals who can ebb and flow from top form to bottom form. It's not hard to understand that you will lose games in the Premier League. Its a fine dividing line at the best of times, that line is even finer when you are dealing with some of the best of the best. We are going through a rough period where the manager is trying to turn his team from one that is a grinding team that plays very rigid and direct to one that can incorporate players like Tuncay and play more expressive football. That takes a lot of time and a lot of patience. Every team that has been in this league for more than 2 seasons has gone through exactly the same ordeal, with the supporters' asking the same questions. We're no different. Excellent post, well put. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 27, 2009 17:15:06 GMT
form table ie. our last 6 games. relegation form mate. To be fair three of those have been away against sides that should finish in the top 6, we were also tanking wigan 2nd half until their wonder goal Two very tough home games coming up so we will need to be at our best but four points are a possibility as is something at Burnley so we could be back on track by 9th Jan Manager has some big decisions to take for sure and Lawrence left out is hard to understand , biggest one for me is need to drop faye and then buy a premiership cenre midfielder who can pass a ball , also Beattie needs to get back to form or leave , Its very hard in this league and the money around makes it hard to get decent committed players at a reasonable price so it seesm we have spent a lot for average players but then so have many of the other sides |
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Post by padders01 on Dec 27, 2009 17:24:13 GMT
So the team that played Villa off the park at times last week is now not good enough even though up until the goal today we were the better team and AGAIN should have scored first. At times I hope Pulis gets sacked just so we can appoint some other manager and get relegated (obviously I never want us to do badly, but you get my point) Yes we finished way above expectations last season, but due to this we now have crazy expectations on here at times and down at the ground we start to boo our own players for passing the balls backwards to a team mate when no one up front is making a move Tuncay is world class and since he has started we have played better football, but we have lost both games. This place is so depressing after a loss, people selling there season tickets etc. GOOD, I say, we are better without you moaning clowns down the ground. Yes Tony's team selections may seem strange at times, but he has got us here, kept us here last season and until we get relegated and look like we aren't coming back up then we can look at replacing him. Until then shut the fook up and support the team and manager. talk about "should have" "could have" would have" or shouda couda wouda where i come from !! this thread says it all, we did not play well yesterday, neither did they for that matter, and the Villa game we did play pretty well, but we didnt score in either game and neither did we win or draw either game !! who doesn't moan after a loss ??? especially losing 3 of 4 "Losing 3 of 4" - against Villa, Arsenal and Man City, who in their right mind would expect any team in the Premiership to win 2 or 3 out of them never mind Stoke. Think about it....... Villa have just been spanked against Arsenal, Man Utd are struggling against Hull as we speak and get battered at Fulham, Chelsea draw at Birmingham. It happens in football. |
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Post by justinp on Dec 27, 2009 20:43:27 GMT
here's a list of all the teams that have conceded more goals than we have in the league this season:
man city, liverpool, sunderland, blackburn, burnley, everton, wolves, wigan, west ham, bolton, hull, portsmouth.
we're hardly leaking goals, although admittedly we do concede some pretty terrible goals at times, 22 in 18 isn't that bad, considering 4 of those were away at scouse.
on the other hand 15 goals in 18 games is not that good thing to look at, (i think drogba has scored more than that on his own hasn't he?) but stoke are tracking where they should be, around mid table. they just need a little bit more creativity going forward and for the defence to stop making silly errors that cost points ie collins against bolton, collins against man city, all the stupid penalty decisions, (so glad we have a world class keeper).
it's not like we have a crisis on our hands like portsmouth, because we've been managed well financially, and we're not gonna leak 70 odd goals like hull will. If the team play like the villa game on monday then they'll win, couldn't care less if it's only 1-0. 3 points is 3 points.
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Post by northantsash on Dec 27, 2009 22:34:13 GMT
those of you who think we aren't in a relegation battle are the so called thick b****rds on here.
we don't score goals, we don't ever look like getting anything from the game when we fall behind away from home, and we aren't fielding our strongest 11 every week.
our attack is the worst in the league, tony pulis is responsible for the situation this club is in, 6 points since that win at tottenham simply isn't the form we need to push on and several signings have been below par. who made these signings tony pulis. where are these signings now? out on loan.
dave kitson, sonko, tonge, davies, soares, all players signed for considerable amounts of money totalling over £10 million pounds.
im not going to neglect the fantastic work that tony pulis has done for this football club, he truly has done a great job, but he must take responsibility for making decisions on signing players who simply do not perform.
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Post by anarchicalan on Dec 28, 2009 1:41:10 GMT
Kitson's been on loan 6 weeks and he's STILL our leading scorer!
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Post by soicowboy2 on Dec 28, 2009 6:45:12 GMT
Can't agree more. We could easily have got something at Villa and City. Tevez was the main reason we didn't on Saturday. Excellent performance by him.
Their team was frightening on paper but little to choose in the end. At Villa there was nothing to choose for me.
The sheep on here jump straight on with the anti Whitehead (who did nothing wrong for me) and Collins posts....no one mentions Wilkinson failing to close down or a deperate performance by Whelan as quick
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Post by Mekaneck on Dec 28, 2009 8:33:56 GMT
So the team that played Villa off the park at times last week is now not good enough even though up until the goal today we were the better team and AGAIN should have scored first. At times I hope Pulis gets sacked just so we can appoint some other manager and get relegated (obviously I never want us to do badly, but you get my point) Yes we finished way above expectations last season, but due to this we now have crazy expectations on here at times and down at the ground we start to boo our own players for passing the balls backwards to a team mate when no one up front is making a move Tuncay is world class and since he has started we have played better football, but we have lost both games. This place is so depressing after a loss, people selling there season tickets etc. GOOD, I say, we are better without you moaning clowns down the ground. Yes Tony's team selections may seem strange at times, but he has got us here, kept us here last season and until we get relegated and look like we aren't coming back up then we can look at replacing him. Until then shut the fook up and support the team and manager. One win in nine games and all you can do is make more excuses and attack fellow fans. We have a good team and the only problem is that a stubborn manager wont pick it. But you havent got a bad word to say about it. Not one bad word. just excuse after excuse after excuse, while an international who shone against Italy and France sits on the bench and watches his place taken by Delap and Whithead playing out of position. Not one bad one or word of concern. You think your a loyal supporter but your just an apologist who would be happily clap us all the way to relegation. It was people like you who let the old boards and managers get away with it, while it was the people who stood up and objected who brought about change. I bet you even bought into Moxeys 'get behind the team, nothing else matters' disgrace they tried to pull on us while we were sinking like the Titanic. Its actually people like you we can do without at the game. Its fans who care about the team and feel the pain of defeat who will still be there when all of the happyclapping fans have cleared off again. Who do you think you are? Its pompus idiots like you who think they have got all the answers when all they have got is excuses. Are you a Stoke fan or a Tony Pulis fan because I can't tell. You certainly don't seem to care when we lose and your always attacking other Stoke fans. Some fan you are. |
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Dec 28, 2009 9:11:57 GMT
So the team that played Villa off the park at times last week is now not good enough even though up until the goal today we were the better team and AGAIN should have scored first. At times I hope Pulis gets sacked just so we can appoint some other manager and get relegated (obviously I never want us to do badly, but you get my point) Yes we finished way above expectations last season, but due to this we now have crazy expectations on here at times and down at the ground we start to boo our own players for passing the balls backwards to a team mate when no one up front is making a move Tuncay is world class and since he has started we have played better football, but we have lost both games. This place is so depressing after a loss, people selling there season tickets etc. GOOD, I say, we are better without you moaning clowns down the ground. Yes Tony's team selections may seem strange at times, but he has got us here, kept us here last season and until we get relegated and look like we aren't coming back up then we can look at replacing him. Until then shut the fook up and support the team and manager. I, for one, didn't moan after the defeat at Villa because we played well (in my opinion) and because we had a perfectly legitimate goal ruled out by an incompetent referee. You never seem to do anything but moan - I can't recall a single positive comment that you've ever made on here - perhaps you can point one out to me? (but I doubt it). |
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Post by padders01 on Dec 28, 2009 9:21:01 GMT
So the team that played Villa off the park at times last week is now not good enough even though up until the goal today we were the better team and AGAIN should have scored first. At times I hope Pulis gets sacked just so we can appoint some other manager and get relegated (obviously I never want us to do badly, but you get my point) Yes we finished way above expectations last season, but due to this we now have crazy expectations on here at times and down at the ground we start to boo our own players for passing the balls backwards to a team mate when no one up front is making a move Tuncay is world class and since he has started we have played better football, but we have lost both games. This place is so depressing after a loss, people selling there season tickets etc. GOOD, I say, we are better without you moaning clowns down the ground. Yes Tony's team selections may seem strange at times, but he has got us here, kept us here last season and until we get relegated and look like we aren't coming back up then we can look at replacing him. Until then shut the fook up and support the team and manager. One win in nine games and all you can do is make more excuses and attack fellow fans. We have a good team and the only problem is that a stubborn manager wont pick it. But you havent got a bad word to say about it. Not one bad word. just excuse after excuse after excuse, while an international who shone against Italy and France sits on the bench and watches his place taken by Delap and Whithead playing out of position. Not one bad one or word of concern. You think your a loyal supporter but your just an apologist who would be happily clap us all the way to relegation. It was people like you who let the old boards and managers get away with it, while it was the people who stood up and objected who brought about change. I bet you even bought into Moxeys 'get behind the team, nothing else matters' disgrace they tried to pull on us while we were sinking like the Titanic. Its actually people like you we can do without at the game. Its fans who care about the team and feel the pain of defeat who will still be there when all of the happyclapping fans have cleared off again. Who do you think you are? Its pompus idiots like you who think they have got all the answers when all they have got is excuses. Are you a Stoke fan or a Tony Pulis fan because I can't tell. You certainly don't seem to care when we lose and your always attacking other Stoke fans. Some fan you are. YOU WHAT? If you read my post then I do show concern that Pulis does make strange team selections? But what I do say is, I don't sit at the ground booing my own team who are mid table in the Premiership after seeing us piss about in the third tier of English football under Brian Little. I don't start posts on here wanting to sell my season ticket, what great support that is. I don't want to sack the manager that got us to the Premiership after a bad slump of form included in those games are Arsenal, Villa and Man City away Now, read my post and come back to me when you have, the title of this post is directed straight at people like you I GIVE UP AT TIMES. STOKE "FANS" = FICKLE FANS, always have been and looks like the 16,000+ that have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 18 months aren't any better  |
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Post by Mekaneck on Dec 28, 2009 9:33:08 GMT
"At times I hope Pulis gets sacked just so we can appoint some other manager and get relegated"
You give yourself away. I have NEVER EVER hoped anything bad for my team. The reason you even think like this for a minute this is so you can have a go at fellow Stoke fans again. You know I'm right. Dont deny it.
Your hate for fellow Stoke fans shames you. You are not interested in discussion, only abuse.
Just look at the title of your post. The lamest apologist in here and your having a go at other fans. Those who actually care enough to be angry when their team is not playing well.
I dont boo the players of the team but I dont happyclap and make excuses either. Like most genuine fans I speak as I see and give credit where it is due. All you want is more happyclappers like you and anyone who does complain gets your long winded posts questioning there support.
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Post by padders01 on Dec 28, 2009 9:43:03 GMT
"At times I hope Pulis gets sacked just so we can appoint some other manager and get relegated" You give yourself away. I have NEVER EVER hoped anything bad for my team. The reason you even think like this for a minute this is so you can have a go at fellow Stoke fans again. You know I'm right. Dont deny it. Your hate for fellow Stoke fans shames you. You are not interested in discussion, only abuse. Just look at the title of your post. The lamest apologist in here and your having a go at other fans. Those who actually care enough to be angry when their team is not playing well. I dont boo the players of the team but I dont happyclap and make excuses either. Like most genuine fans I speak as I see and give credit where it is due. All you want is more happyclappers like you and anyone who does complain gets your long winded posts questioning there support. Brilliant, are you a journalist or a policitcal or something? Talk about taking quotes out of something then completley taking it out of context or removing the next sentence to make it sound nothing like the original post. Just for you I will copy the WHOLE sentence including the bit in brackets At times I hope Pulis gets sacked just so we can appoint some other manager and get relegated (obviously I never want us to do badly, but you get my point) |
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Post by anarchicalan on Dec 28, 2009 13:07:27 GMT
Mek - I rarely agree with Padders, but to take his quote deliberately out of context is poor form. In fact, by so doing, you've actually IMPROVED HIS ARGUMENT.
You left your own valid points behind and reduced them to emptiness by following the tactic of the intellectually impoverished, when you're clearly above such things in normal discourse.
Padders has his own points to make, and agree or disagree, he generally does so with integrity.
In this instance - up to the deliberate misquote - I agreed with you.
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Post by padders01 on Dec 28, 2009 13:11:12 GMT
Mek - I rarely agree with Padders, but to take his quote deliberately out of context is poor form. In fact, by so doing, you've actually IMPROVED HIS ARGUMENT. You left your own valid points behind and reduced them to emptiness by following the tactic of the intellectually impoverished, when you're clearly above such things in normal discourse. Padders has his own points to make, and agree or disagree, he generally does so with integrity. In this instance - up to the deliberate misquote - I agreed with you. Good man, lets hope we get 3 points today. That's all I want. The team news is certainly going to be interesting in one hours time. |
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talk about "should have" "could have" would have" or shouda couda wouda where i come from !! this thread says it all, we did not play well yesterday, neither did they for that matter, and the Villa game we did play pretty well, but we didnt score in either game and neither did we win or draw either game !!
