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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 6, 2024 8:27:40 GMT
It would appear that Perkin's defence is that when she was appointed Chair at the Post Office her role was actually that of a chair (something that people sat on in meetings) rather than a Chair in the sense of someone with actual responsibility for the conduct of the company they wwre working for. No doubt when the inquiry finally does find someone who actually knew what their job was and possessed the integrity to take responsibility for the consequences of their own actions it will be a cleaning lady called Doris who will be duly prosecuted on the basis she was the only one in the company who actually knew what they were doing and prepared to admit that they actually fulfilled the duties in their job description. Based on the evidence presented so far it's the only rational conclusion anyone can come to.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 6, 2024 6:51:14 GMT
If you hadn't already come out of the racist closet with your Yaxley-Lennon bollocks, then you're loud and proud now mate. Disgusting...you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. I’m ashamed of nothing at all and people like yourself will rue the day mass illegal migrants flooded into this country in the years to come.You carry on licking that terrorist sympathiser’s arse while I’ll carry on with my holiday You are posting material from a far right racist group known for using social media to promote racial hatred. If you don't understand the implications of what you are doing you are stupid. I don't think you are stupid. I think you're actively promoting far right racist material with the intent of promoting racial hatred. And before you even try to use the spurious semantic argument the material you have been posting makes generalised inflammatory statements about Muslims. Which is Islamaphobia. Which is recognised by Parliament to be racist. You are a racist pedalling material designed speifically to promote racial hatred. And you know it.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 6, 2024 6:35:27 GMT
I think citeh, the scum, dippers, the shit and the rest of those tossers who want their super league should all fuck off and leave the real meaning of saturday afternoon football to the other 80 odd clubs who actually gives a toss about tradition and the real meaning of the game. I wouldn't miss any of them. I'm going that way as well. It would actually reflect the division in the fan base between those who see football as a competitive sport and those that see it as a branch of the entertainment industry with all the vacuus crap that goes with it. And I'll say it again - please take VAR with you when you leave the building.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2024 22:46:21 GMT
BBC News - Ex-Post Office chair was told of IT risks in 2011 www.bbc.com/news/articles/c88847v14e3o1 In 2011 Perkins was told by their auditors that they couldn't be confident of properly auditing the Post Office because of faults in the Horizon system. 2 At the time the Post Office was prosecuting sub postmasters based on information from the Horizon system. The sub postmasters were claiming their were faults in the Horizon system which the Post Office denied. 3 Perkins claim she did not make the connection between what the auditors said about the Horizon system and the on-going prosecution of sub masters. What the actual fuckity fuck?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2024 22:05:46 GMT
Paul Golding? You aren't even pretending any more that the point of this thread is to pedal racist propaganda are you? Fair play for coming out.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2024 14:23:35 GMT
Isn’t the optimum to sign the best available players? Irrespective of their nationality. If they’re in our price range and tick the boxes it doesn’t really matter if they’re from Seoul or Stone. Walters strikes me as quite pragmatic. He likes hard workers and character. He’s obviously seen both those characteristics in Jun Ho and Million so I doubt he’ll be averse to signing more like them. Equally alarm bells ring when you hear stories about Mmaee and see the struggles Jojic has had. Balance is usually the best approach. Just get good players in and the rest should be straightforward. I’m not adverse to domestic players. The keeper ( I know he’s foreign but domestic too) seems on the face of it a coup and very good value but the domestic market is typically very bad value I just don’t think it should be our main focus. I don’t really get the point about Mmaee and Jojic don’t really know what percentage of transfers you expect to be a rip roaring success. I’m pretty sure Mmaee’s antics would never have come to a head if he was banging them in left right and centre. I guess I look at things differently, if you sign 6 players for £10M and 1 of them ends up being wort £20M that’s successful recruitment I think what we bought in last season is worth considerably more than we spent on it therefore it was successful. I don’t think we finished 17th so it wasn’t successful as such I think last seasons recruitment model deserved at least another two years. I suppose a lot depends on how enthusiastic you are about JW I’d be the first to admit I’m very sceptical. We exploited both the foreign and the domestic markets last season and we will do the same this season. The domestic signings were relatively poor and seemed to be the choice of the manager/HC so the fact that we have brought in someone with a good understanding of the domestic market is a good thing and widens the pool beyond the set of players who the HC has worked with. There is also a down side to the foreign market. The Championship is very physical and intense and the majority of foreign players take quite a long time to adjust. You could see the potential in the likes of Bae and Burger from day one but it took them half a season for them to really impact games and by the end of the season they were running on empty. Pack the team with a new batch of foreign players and we will have the same issue next season. It looks to me like Walters and Schumacher want to have a tilt at promotion next season and to have any chance of doing that we will have to hit the ground running which means having a core of battle hardened players from day one. Build a squad around a core of foreign players new to this league and we are looking at a mid table finish at best.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2024 10:36:06 GMT
If Man City win their case against the FA,would it have any bearing on clubs who have had pts deductions in the past? If it does,what about the clubs who were relegated because of of it? Man City have launched a case against the Premier League, not the FA. Also it is in relation to a very specific issue - money received in the form of sponsorship so any retrospective action against clubs previously docked points would only apply to those docked points because of sponsorship deals.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2024 9:50:20 GMT
No it isn't. Man City broke rules that others abided by. The success came as a result of cheating. Now that they have been caught red handed theyvare saying the rules (which stopped others competing with them) are unfair and should be scrapped. The thing is without those rules other clubs will find it impossible to compete with them because their resources are on a different planet. The rules are there to prevent clubs from extending themselves to compete financially. If there is no constraint the likes of Man City will just buy success and those daft enough to go toe to toe will go bust. The only clubs who will benefit from this are those financed by oil rich states. If anyone thinks the likes of Stoke will benefit from this just hasn't got a clue. as it been proven they broke the rules , only being accused so far Fair point - they haven't been found guilty. However the fact they are taking legal action to overturn rules that they have been accused of breaking seems to suggest that they did in fact break those rules. Also my point was to a previous comment which suggested that the Man City situation was business as usual and I was pointing out the implications of what they are accused of doing. That point stands regardless of the specific case.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2024 8:39:23 GMT
Is there a link to this story? www.nytimes.com/athletic/4889001/2023/09/22/man-city-charges-premier-league-abu-dhabi/https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/16p7ibd/the_uk_government_has_admitted_its_embassy_in_abu/ Its all rumours and hearsay, and newspapers wont dare to print it for fear of libel. But 100% the UK government has admitted they are involved in discussion with the Premier League about the Man City case. It has implications beyond just football at this point hence the long delays. So basically the Saudi government are holding the UK government to ransom over tbeir right to cheat their way to sporting success in the UK? For that alone Man City should be chucked out of the league.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2024 8:35:43 GMT
It’s not though, it’s nothing like that; more like it’s like the government telling you that you cannot invest in your own business and grow it, because some of their mates at another business don’t like it in case you take their business away. I agree with what you say about breaking the rules, they knew them and should comply, but the rules were specifically created to block them and other similar clubs. So whether you agree with them, or Newcastle or us even, the bigger clubs have tried to close the shop to protect themselves and their own interests. If you have money to invest in YOUR business, why can you not invest? In regular businesses, there are counter-measures to stop monopolies. It’s actually an incredibly important element of business. Various mergers get blocked through these anti-monopoly measures. Monopolies are not good for sport. The SPL would probably be far more interesting if Celtic and Rangers weren’t the only teams likely to ever win the league, for example. I hope that you are one of the limited number of people who get excited about the SPL if you think it’s a good idea to allow Man City to continue to steam roll their monopoly with foreign govt money, and then for Newcastle to do the same. The end of the season is already a fore gone conclusion for first. Yep - the clubs might as well send in their bank account statements at the start if the season and then hand out the trophies without out bothering with the inconconvenience of actually playing any games. At least it would get rid of VAR.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 20:53:49 GMT
Does the fact they are suing first show they are guilty of inflating their sponsorship fees? They want to change the rules to suit them - but changing the rules of the game will not change the historical view that they are in breach on inflating their revenues in the past. Its like suing the government to say - "Murder should be legalised" - knowing that you are about to go to court for a murder charge. If this is true then they know they are guilty of fiddling the numbers. It’s not though, it’s nothing like that; more like it’s like the government telling you that you cannot invest in your own business and grow it, because some of their mates at another business don’t like it in case you take their business away. I agree with what you say about breaking the rules, they knew them and should comply, but the rules were specifically created to block them and other similar clubs. So whether you agree with them, or Newcastle or us even, the bigger clubs have tried to close the shop to protect themselves and their own interests. If you have money to invest in YOUR business, why can you not invest? Because it isn't an investment. There is no financial return on the money poured in. The money just buys sporting success and makes a mockery of the sport.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 20:50:03 GMT
Why is this good? It would mean the likes of Man City simply buying success through dodgy sponsorship deals and making the league even less competitive than it is at the moment and it means they would get away with their past breaches of the regulations that other clubs abided by. It stinks. Sounds pretty much like the scenario & circumstances we currently see anyway! No it isn't. Man City broke rules that others abided by. The success came as a result of cheating. Now that they have been caught red handed theyvare saying the rules (which stopped others competing with them) are unfair and should be scrapped. The thing is without those rules other clubs will find it impossible to compete with them because their resources are on a different planet. The rules are there to prevent clubs from extending themselves to compete financially. If there is no constraint the likes of Man City will just buy success and those daft enough to go toe to toe will go bust. The only clubs who will benefit from this are those financed by oil rich states. If anyone thinks the likes of Stoke will benefit from this just hasn't got a clue.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 15:39:29 GMT
While not averse to the overseas market looks like this guy is going to focus on battle hardened Championship players and prospects from the lower leagues. The problem with Neil and Schumacher is that they were clearly favouring players from the UK market that they already knew which is fishing in a very small pool. Jared brought in some gems but while you could see the potential from day one in the likes of Bae and Burger it took over half a season to fully adapt and consistently deliver. It looks like the plan is to hit the ground running this season with a core of players who know this league and I suspect the HC is going to have fewer of their picks coming through the door which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. So less than 1 year with some notable successes and we’re back to Brexit FC. Fuck me the mentality of this club. Errr...no. Darnborough has a record of bringing in overseas players AND he has a good knowledge of the UK market. You need both - the problem under Dublin was that the UK market was left to Neil and Schumacher who had/have a limited knowledge and tended to go for players they already knew.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 15:24:29 GMT
Can’t do linky things . The Times no less are reporting Man City to launch legal action against Premier League . 115 charges likely to be dropped. Good for them I say Why is this good? It would mean the likes of Man City simply buying success through dodgy sponsorship deals and making the league even less competitive than it is at the moment and it means they would get away with their past breaches of the regulations that other clubs abided by. It stinks.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 13:51:04 GMT
All words are made up. But they are made up for a reason - to clarify and enable rational debate. The term Islamaphobe does nor close down debate. It enables debate. Islamism is a political doctrine that sees the religion of Islam as being core to the political institutions of the state. It is not Islamaphobic to criticise the political doctrine of Islamism and there are many Muslim critics of Islamism in this country and around the world. However it is Islamophobic to project the atrocities of some Islamists onto the entire Muslim community and the term "Islamaphobia" is valid in that it describes a very specific phenomena in the real world in exactly the same way that homophobia describes a real world phenomena in relation to attitudes to homosexuality. The word is useful and has a very clear meaning and getting rid of the word doesn't get rid of the phenomena nor help rational debate. It's the supporters of Islamaphobia and racism in general who seek to fudge the debate by misusing and distorting words tobjustify their prejudices. They want to conflate words like Muslim and Islam with Islamism in order to associate specific issues with Islamism with all followers of Islam. That is exactly what the Twitter poster quoted earlier is doing when she posts things like "Islam is a death cult" and "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". If you want a real world example of an Islamophobe that is it and whether you like the word or not it is an actial thing. Couldn't get though it all without nodding off. I've told you before you bore me.... So by "bore" you mean "exposed my argument to be badly thought out nonsense and as I've got no idea where to go with it I'll resort to petty insults in an attempt to save face"?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 11:12:05 GMT
It was not a protest organised by ordinary everyday people was it - it was organised by Yaxley-Lennon (a known Islamaphobic provoceteur) and attended by people with a history of football related violence (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/far-right-protest-london-counter-march-mark-rowley/). The whole ordinary people bollocks is just far right propaganda designed to normalise Islamaphobia. That post you shared by the clearly Islamophobic English.Female1 is a clear example of this. The question you need to ask yourself is whether you have been suckered into believing their propaganda or are actively propagating it. I believe that a vast majority of people were/are ordinary folk so we’ll agree to differ on that point So the protest at the weekend was spontaneously organised by ordinary people and not Yaxley-Lennon and his supporters? That simply isn't true is it.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 11:09:52 GMT
Spot on Mickey and if moderate Muslims spoke out more it would drive it home that extremists are not tolerated within their religion. Correct. But its easy to hide behind the made up term islamaphobe and shout racism to close the arguement. Useful idiots is the term im hearing in my head... All words are made up. But they are made up for a reason - to clarify and enable rational debate. The term Islamaphobe does nor close down debate. It enables debate. Islamism is a political doctrine that sees the religion of Islam as being core to the political institutions of the state. It is not Islamaphobic to criticise the political doctrine of Islamism and there are many Muslim critics of Islamism in this country and around the world. However it is Islamophobic to project the atrocities of some Islamists onto the entire Muslim community and the term "Islamaphobia" is valid in that it describes a very specific phenomena in the real world in exactly the same way that homophobia describes a real world phenomena in relation to attitudes to homosexuality. The word is useful and has a very clear meaning and getting rid of the word doesn't get rid of the phenomena nor help rational debate. It's the supporters of Islamaphobia and racism in general who seek to fudge the debate by misusing and distorting words tobjustify their prejudices. They want to conflate words like Muslim and Islam with Islamism in order to associate specific issues with Islamism with all followers of Islam. That is exactly what the Twitter poster quoted earlier is doing when she posts things like "Islam is a death cult" and "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". If you want a real world example of an Islamophobe that is it and whether you like the word or not it is an actial thing.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 10:49:02 GMT
The Labour supporters who jumped to the Tories last time are jumping to Reform and back to Labour in large numbers. The net effect is to split the right wing vote and make it easier for Labour to secure a victory. Its very easy to predict and here is an example: Let's say that the vote is split 60/40 in favour of the right wing vote. If Reform don't stand (which is what the Brexit Party did last time) the Tories get 60% of the vote and a comfortable victory. If Reform stand and get 21% of the right wing vote the Tory vote goes down to 39%, Reform get 21% and Labour win with 40% without having to get a single vote from the Tories. The actual situation is way worse because ex Labour Tory supporters are going back to Labour as well as to Reform. Any Labour voter inclined to vote for a right wing party did so in the last election so Reform aren't going to pull in many existing Labour voters because they jumped ship last time round and the ones still their are party loyalists. Reform know they aren't a serious threat to Labour and are aiming to claim second place from the Tories in the red wall seats (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-general-election-reform-uk-b2555854.html). Farage knows Labour are going to get a landslide victory and knows full well that be standing they are going to make the outcome even worse for the Tories. That is the plan. He wants to humiliate the Tories and force them to the right. I get why the Farage fan boys are liking this but to trumpet it is a great day for the right is utter nonsense. Labour may as well crack open the champagne now. I acknowledged a likely Labour landslide, but we wait to see how much Reform eats into that. The Labour vote is also split with Greens, Worker's Party, Islamic Party, even Lib Dems. The Workers Party and Islamic Party barely register and Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens are quietly co-operating to stay off each other's patches. Also the carve up was there before Farage made his announcement and Labour were already heading for a landslide. That hasn't changed as a result of Farage's decision to stand. The only thing that has changed is that Reform are now likely to get a bigger share of the right wing vote which will result in more Labour gains.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 8:39:24 GMT
Yes Reform will draw significant numbers of Brexit voters in red wall seats. The thing is those voters voted Tory at the last election so it will affect the Tory vote more than Labour. If the Brexit vote splits between the Tories and Reform Labour win hands down. In addition the Brexit vote has collapsed and a referendum now would result in rejoining - Brexit isn't the vote loser it was for Labour at the last election. Brexit might not be a vote loser anymore, but immigration most certainly is - Which has essentially replaced Brexit like for like in those old red wall seats and middle England. That said, even Labour can't screw this one up from here. They've won a landslide and no one cares. All the headlines are now about one man and how many seats he can take at the next election ahead of his hugely exciting 5 year plan to become the main opposition to Labour. He might not need to wait 5 years for that! The Greens should be holding their heads in shame at the moment. How the Greenies arent taking more of the white, privileged, woke vote across areas of London and other liberal cities across the UK is beyond me. They are competing against two of the most boring, uninspiring party leaders in Starmer and Davey - Surely they can muster up more of the left leaning vote than polls are suggesting? It's pathetic. I suppose their wacky policies and random bouts of racism are putting off even the average Corbynista. While the right bicker over the scraps the left are quietly co-operating behind the scenes to maximise the impact of the centre and left vote. The Lib Dems aren't bothering to campaign in the red wall seats and in turn Labour are effectively stepping aside in centre ground Tory constituencies where the Lib Dems are best placed to beat the Tories. The Greens know full well that under FTP they won't win many seats so are concentrating all their efforts into the three constituencies where they have a chance of winning. The fact is despite having over twice the popular vote Reform will end up with about as many seats as the Greens which is both a condemnation of the FPTP system and a testimony to the self obsessed stupidity of ego driven right wing popularist politics.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 8:16:00 GMT
Earlier on this thread I gave a pretty clear definition of Islamophobia and I actually used the example of saying that the treatment of women by some Muslim men is an issue is neither Islamaphobic nor racist. It becomes Islamaphobia/racist when specifuc issues are generalised to all Muslims - which is precisely what this women is doing when she says "Islam is a death cult" and "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". If you don't get that distinction you are either being disingenuous or need help understanding how language works. This women is Islamophibic and what she us trying to do is present he views as "normal". Her views aren't normal. They are abhorrent. Or you're thick...which most racists are. The thick ones are the ones who swallow the propaganda, the propaganda itself is getting quite sophisticated. I've attended protests where fringe groups have infiltrated and tried to impose their own (often violent) agenda. The one at the weekend is the mirror image - it was organised by thugs who suckered in some "ordinary people", photographed them and then organised a social media campaign to claim the protest was just a spontaneous demonstration by the common people. Was it bollocks - it was a carefully planned demo by a bunch of Islamaphobes designed to give the impression that Islamaphobia is just the natural position of ordinary folk. Scratch the surface and its a blatant attempt to normalise Islamophobia and distance it from its historical roots in far right political ideology.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 8:01:07 GMT
Yes Reform will draw significant numbers of Brexit voters in red wall seats. The thing is those voters voted Tory at the last election so it will affect the Tory vote more than Labour. If the Brexit vote splits between the Tories and Reform Labour win hands down. In addition the Brexit vote has collapsed and a referendum now would result in rejoining - Brexit isn't the vote loser it was for Labour at the last election. Yes they voted Tory last time but the polls were suggesting this time they were switching back to Labour or just not voting. Significant numbers going over to a Farage lead Reform could have an impact. Reform will have an impact- they will split the right wing vote and hand Labour an even easier victory.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 7:59:11 GMT
The ex Labour UKIP vote went to the Brexit Party which went to the Tory Party at the last election because the Brexit Party didn't stand. Those left in the Labour party stuck with Labour even at the height of Brexit and aren't going to switch to Reform now in any great numbers. The ex Labour ex UKIP Tory vote is going over to Reform AND back to Labour. The net effect is a net reduction in the right wing vote AND a split in the right wing vote. Here's that bastion of liberal lefty ideology the Financial Times on the implications www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-general-election-reform-uk-b2555854.html. Tory Party strategists understand the implications of this even if you don't and the post anouncenent polls are already predicting a Labour landslide. I get why you are excited by this but get real - in terms of actual political power this is a great day for the liberal centre and left. Well let's see what comes out in the polling in a week or so, I think you'll be surprised. The former Red Wall is there for the taking. Can he galvinise enough voters in such a short space of time to vote for him? It's a huge challenge but if anyone can do it.. He's doing this for his own ego and will put all his efforts into winning in Clacton. He's said himself the result is a forgone conclusion and that Labour are going to win and Reform party election strategists are already saying the aim in the red wall seats is to beat the Tories to second place, not defeat Labour. You really aren't reading the room on this. Reform aren't out to challenge Labour they are out to humiliate the Tories and force them into an alliance in opposition. Even Farage is admitting this is the plan.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 7:48:38 GMT
And the best they've got is the odd old tweet, old video, random angry insults or "he's lost 7 times beforeee" 🥱🥱 I can feel another "Wakey Wakey" tweet coming from Nige on the morning of the election result and I can't wait to see the meltdown of the hostile illiberal left - It will make the great meltdowns of 2016 look minor in comparison. I agree his intervention is anything but insignificant but I am really unsure what impact it will have. Will he, as he had already claimed, draw significant numbers way from the Tories and replace them as the party of the right? Will he also draw significant "Brexit" voters from the red wall to put Labour's expected big win in doubt? Will this turn out to be a damp squib? I hope it is the third but expect he could get close to the first, this weekends polls will be eagerly anticipated/dreaded by many. Yes Reform will draw significant numbers of Brexit voters in red wall seats. The thing is those voters voted Tory at the last election so it will affect the Tory vote more than Labour. If the Brexit vote splits between the Tories and Reform Labour win hands down. In addition the Brexit vote has collapsed and a referendum now would result in rejoining - Brexit isn't the vote loser it was for Labour at the last election.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 7:40:07 GMT
The Labour supporters who jumped to the Tories last time are jumping to Reform and back to Labour in large numbers. The net effect is to split the right wing vote and make it easier for Labour to secure a victory. Its very easy to predict and here is an example: Let's say that the vote is split 60/40 in favour of the right wing vote. If Reform don't stand (which is what the Brexit Party did last time) the Tories get 60% of the vote and a comfortable victory. If Reform stand and get 21% of the right wing vote the Tory vote goes down to 39%, Reform get 21% and Labour win with 40% without having to get a single vote from the Tories. The actual situation is way worse because ex Labour Tory supporters are going back to Labour as well as to Reform. Any Labour voter inclined to vote for a right wing party did so in the last election so Reform aren't going to pull in many existing Labour voters because they jumped ship last time round and the ones still their are party loyalists. Reform know they aren't a serious threat to Labour and are aiming to claim second place from the Tories in the red wall seats (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-general-election-reform-uk-b2555854.html). Farage knows Labour are going to get a landslide victory and knows full well that be standing they are going to make the outcome even worse for the Tories. That is the plan. He wants to humiliate the Tories and force them to the right. I get why the Farage fan boys are liking this but to trumpet it is a great day for the right is utter nonsense. Labour may as well crack open the champagne now. Why don't you wait until the next poll before you claim you know what's going to happen with the Reform vote? It all changes now Farage is standing and while, of course, Labour will comfortably win the election, it is easily forgotten that Ukip took more Labour voters than Conservative. The ex Labour UKIP vote went to the Brexit Party which went to the Tory Party at the last election because the Brexit Party didn't stand. Those left in the Labour party stuck with Labour even at the height of Brexit and aren't going to switch to Reform now in any great numbers. The ex Labour ex UKIP Tory vote is going over to Reform AND back to Labour. The net effect is a net reduction in the right wing vote AND a split in the right wing vote. Here's that bastion of liberal lefty ideology the Financial Times on the implications www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-general-election-reform-uk-b2555854.html. Tory Party strategists understand the implications of this even if you don't and the post anouncenent polls are already predicting a Labour landslide. I get why you are excited by this but get real - in terms of actual political power this is a great day for the liberal centre and left.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 6:47:58 GMT
He's coming for Essex mate. You better get used to him 😉 It needs to be considered that Red Wall voters who jumped to Johnson, a big move for them to go to Conservative, are maybe even more likely to vote for Farage who opposes both Tory and Labour. There's no doubt Labour will have some concerns. I think all pollsters and predictors will struggle to call this one. The Labour supporters who jumped to the Tories last time are jumping to Reform and back to Labour in large numbers. The net effect is to split the right wing vote and make it easier for Labour to secure a victory. Its very easy to predict and here is an example: Let's say that the vote is split 60/40 in favour of the right wing vote. If Reform don't stand (which is what the Brexit Party did last time) the Tories get 60% of the vote and a comfortable victory. If Reform stand and get 21% of the right wing vote the Tory vote goes down to 39%, Reform get 21% and Labour win with 40% without having to get a single vote from the Tories. The actual situation is way worse because ex Labour Tory supporters are going back to Labour as well as to Reform. Any Labour voter inclined to vote for a right wing party did so in the last election so Reform aren't going to pull in many existing Labour voters because they jumped ship last time round and the ones still their are party loyalists. Reform know they aren't a serious threat to Labour and are aiming to claim second place from the Tories in the red wall seats (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-general-election-reform-uk-b2555854.html). Farage knows Labour are going to get a landslide victory and knows full well that be standing they are going to make the outcome even worse for the Tories. That is the plan. He wants to humiliate the Tories and force them to the right. I get why the Farage fan boys are liking this but to trumpet it is a great day for the right is utter nonsense. Labour may as well crack open the champagne now.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 5:43:25 GMT
You may be right but so long as they AREN'T racist in their criticisms, I don't think anybody should worry about criticising any religion. Yes, Robinson is a nasty piece of work. Why do you think so many folk turned out last Saturday then Paul and will do on July 27th? All racists? The football lads? Or just ordinary every day people in this country that have had enough of illegal immigrants,the Met Police and many other issues that nobody seems to want to talk about or do anything about? It was not a protest organised by ordinary everyday people was it - it was organised by Yaxley-Lennon (a known Islamaphobic provoceteur) and attended by people with a history of football related violence (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/far-right-protest-london-counter-march-mark-rowley/). The whole ordinary people bollocks is just far right propaganda designed to normalise Islamaphobia. That post you shared by the clearly Islamophobic English.Female1 is a clear example of this. The question you need to ask yourself is whether you have been suckered into believing their propaganda or are actively propagating it.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 5:17:55 GMT
While not averse to the overseas market looks like this guy is going to focus on battle hardened Championship players and prospects from the lower leagues. The problem with Neil and Schumacher is that they were clearly favouring players from the UK market that they already knew which is fishing in a very small pool. Jared brought in some gems but while you could see the potential from day one in the likes of Bae and Burger it took over half a season to fully adapt and consistently deliver. It looks like the plan is to hit the ground running this season with a core of players who know this league and I suspect the HC is going to have fewer of their picks coming through the door which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 3, 2024 21:35:57 GMT
If you click on the post with last photo you can click on her name (English.Female1) and it will take you to her posts. most of her posts are about rights for Muslim women what I read tbh...her gripe is how female Muslim women are treated tbh by the islam men Earlier on this thread I gave a pretty clear definition of Islamophobia and I actually used the example of saying that the treatment of women by some Muslim men is an issue is neither Islamaphobic nor racist. It becomes Islamaphobia/racist when specifuc issues are generalised to all Muslims - which is precisely what this women is doing when she says "Islam is a death cult" and "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". If you don't get that distinction you are either being disingenuous or need help understanding how language works. This women is Islamophibic and what she us trying to do is present he views as "normal". Her views aren't normal. They are abhorrent.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 3, 2024 17:46:27 GMT
I see you neglected to provide context for the photographer, English.Female1 - a delightful lady with the Twitter tagline "Islam is a death cult" and is quite fond of tweeting such gems as "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". So just your ordinary salt of the earth Islamophobe. Not that i don't believe you... im more inclined to do so. But can you post proof of these kind of claims mate. A basic twitter account, or tweet, whatever. If you click on the post with last photo you can click on her name (English.Female1) and it will take you to her posts.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 3, 2024 17:18:00 GMT
Goarnnnn Nige!!! Fucking monumental moment in British politics. One can only imagine the outrage and anger that the liberal left vote is currently feeling. Huge. I wonder if we will get the usual woke dopes on here claiming how irrelevant he is - That irrelevant he's been plastered on just about every news headline around the UK today. Just when Labour thought they'd finally have the headlines at a British election for the first time in 20 odd years, this happens. A long road to recovering this failing country ahead, but it begins here. Things you love to see 🇬🇧 Outrage and anger? He's just taken a massive chunk out of the number of right wing MPs in the next Parliament purely to flatter his own ego. I think you are mistaking outrage and anger for pissing yourself laughing.
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