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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 18:35:19 GMT
Trumps' Letter to H o Representatives ahead of the hearing. Apparently it only took 19minutes after Trumps inauguration for the Washington Post to publish the headline "The capmpaign to impeach President Trump has begun". Worth a read. www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Letter-from-President-Trump-final.pdf?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=whThe left in the US are as deluded as the left in the UK. You've only got to look at the Democrat controlled states and cities to see a direct correlation in demographics and mindset and why the working class backbone of the US sees them for what they are - losers. The lefts agenda in the US mirrors the remain nonscence in the UK - they harder they try to smear or undermine - the stronger the eventual reaction. Trump will win easily in 2020 imo. Depressingly I think he will too. The movement of the working class towards the populist leaders like Trump and Johnson needs to be figured out quickly by the left. It's basically what Hammered and others have been saying for ages on various threads, especially the Brexit one. "Populist" is a bollocks get out. It's the view of the Average Joe, that the left no longer represents.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 16:59:20 GMT
After 1. Backing Brexit 2. Buying the students. 3. May throwing the ball in her own net. Without those three factors, his vote collapsed. Correct. But also a 3.5m increase in votes (a 10% increase) and an increase in membership from 180,000 to nearly 600,000. Corbyn did far better than anyone gave him credit for, it's possible to say that as well as acknowledging the flaws. And if they'd respected the referendum we'd be looking at a totally different political landscape as I've always said..... If...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 16:38:00 GMT
... the thing that amazes me is who in the Labour Party of sound mind (are there any?) thought Jezza could possibly be elected? Was always a big ask, but he was actually 2,000 votes spread over 7 key marginal seats away from being able to form a government in 2017. So not as far away as some have managed, although ultimately not good enough........... After 1. Backing Brexit 2. Buying the students. 3. May throwing the ball in her own net. Without those three factors, his vote collapsed.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 15:10:52 GMT
Given he's barely played, I can't see him attracting any sort of decent fee. £8m plus add-ons for international caps and appearances and 50% of any profit would seem reasonable and about the best to hope for. Was it Steve Bruce who said Etebo was one of the best opposition players he'd seen earlier this season? £8M plus add ons for a bloke who can't pass, shoot or tackle and is the current managers 6th choice midfielder after Allen, Clucas, Cousins, Woods, Badou. Hope your right but more likely a loan to a bag of shit Turkish team then back to Stoke for pre season training in July 2020. Another one to file under Imbula, Badou and Fat Kev. If O'Neil cannot see Etebo is better than Woods, I fear for our future. Sure, he's raw, but there's definitely talent and potential there. He shone in the World Cup and got rave reviews; "Stoke have picked up a bargain" springs to mind. He's another one our clueless club and management has ruined.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 15:04:48 GMT
Perhaps O'Neill has come in,looked at the results with Etebo and Ndiaye in the team and thought neither can be that good . Who knows Definitely no holes in this theory He's going to have to sell the lot, then.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 15:02:38 GMT
We have gone back to the 80's where we sell any talent we find. Chamberlain, Heath, Bracewell, Dixon, Bould, etc sold when I was growing up, and despite our ludicrous wealth, we are doing it again, because of the utter fuck up we have made of running a club.
How is Scholes still here?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 14:42:55 GMT
Not Lynchy! Don't mess with that voodoo, man.
RIP Kenny.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 14:36:58 GMT
I think Labour have got themselves into a bit of a hole. I think it all started when Corbyn was " kindly" put forward as a candidate for the leadership as a nod to the left.. I think that backfired badly. Some have said that the socialist policies actually were not too bad...but Politically for me they read the mood completely wrongly....it was about BREXIT and it was about listening to the working class,ordinary people. We don't like being told what to do and being ignored. They should have CLEARLY backed BREXIT and kept the message simple...no need have promised loads of other stuff. Combine their policy with an ineffectual leader who looked unstatesmanlike and has a history ( ira, Hamas etc)( and clearly would have liked to have been a passionate leaver)... they didn't have much chance It is now a fractured party, probably an ineffectual opposition for a lengthy honeymoon period and may not be capable of being fixed. Not my cup of tea but David Milliband would have been able to hold his own and appeared priministerial which is important. Gisela Stuart would have been excellent in my opinion. Of the current crop... Lisa Nandy I think could be good and at least comes from the North. Kier Starmer again comes over as thoughtful and could be statesman like....I have doubts about him if he was put under pressure as a " leader"...and the first thing that should come out of his mouth should be" Labour fully accept the decision to leave the EU and we intend to make the UK a great country for the working men and women of the country".... people don't want the rights and wrongs of the referendum run again. I honestly think that any of the others/ front bench/ Yvette Cooper would be the end of Labour. Edging my bets.... Lisa Nandy as leader, Kier as deputy..... I've no idea really. What about you Wizard,? To be honest John, I think it's more a question of who Labour don't want as leader. Rebecca Long Bailey or Dawn Butler (as The Corbynistas want) would sound the death knell..they'd take decades to recover. I've never listened to Steven Kinnock and stayed awake..A complete personality vacuum. The only person I would endorse would be Dan Jarvis up in Sheffield. Ive been touting him for yonks Lacks a little bit of political experience in High Office so I'd make him deputy to Keir Starmer. He'd do well 'up North and his Military Career is outstanding. But I can't imagine Corbyn or McDonnell would agree. They and their ilk need removing first. Had to Google him, mate. Why are people like him never to the fore, yet utter dickheads like Butler and Burgon are? Rachel Reeves is another who seems reasonable, and one I just heard on LBC called Bridget Phillipson came across well. Don't know where they are, wing wise, but I think we need someone pragmatic and sensible to lead the opposition. Someone who can appeal to the working class, not someone who is disdainful of them, would be a start.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 13:45:40 GMT
The worst opposition since records began? It's probably up there with Stoke's post January 2016 meltdown. I agree. I think both Stoke and Labour are looking at a ten year project before they look like getting back to where they were.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 13:02:57 GMT
I think Labour have got themselves into a bit of a hole. I think it all started when Corbyn was " kindly" put forward as a candidate for the leadership as a nod to the left.. I think that backfired badly. Some have said that the socialist policies actually were not too bad...but Politically for me they read the mood completely wrongly....it was about BREXIT and it was about listening to the working class,ordinary people. We don't like being told what to do and being ignored. They should have CLEARLY backed BREXIT and kept the message simple...no need have promised loads of other stuff. Combine their policy with an ineffectual leader who looked unstatesmanlike and has a history ( ira, Hamas etc)( and clearly would have liked to have been a passionate leaver)... they didn't have much chance It is now a fractured party, probably an ineffectual opposition for a lengthy honeymoon period and may not be capable of being fixed. Not my cup of tea but David Milliband would have been able to hold his own and appeared priministerial which is important. Gisela Stuart would have been excellent in my opinion. Of the current crop... Lisa Nandy I think could be good and at least comes from the North. Kier Starmer again comes over as thoughtful and could be statesman like....I have doubts about him if he was put under pressure as a " leader"...and the first thing that should come out of his mouth should be" Labour fully accept the decision to leave the EU and we intend to make the UK a great country for the working men and women of the country".... people don't want the rights and wrongs of the referendum run again. I honestly think that any of the others/ front bench/ Yvette Cooper would be the end of Labour. Edging my bets.... Lisa Nandy as leader, Kier as deputy..... I've no idea really. What about you Wizard,? To be honest John, I think it's more a question of who Labour don't want as leader. Rebecca Long Bailey or Dawn Butler (as The Corbynistas want) would sound the death knell..they'd take decades to recover. I've never listened to Steven Kinnock and stayed awake..A complete personality vacuum. The only person I would endorse would be Dan Jarvis up in Sheffield. Ive been touting him for yonks Lacks a little bit of political experience in High Office so I'd make him deputy to Keir Starmer. He'd do well 'up North and his Military Career is outstanding. But I can't imagine Corbyn or McDonnell would agree. They and their ilk need removing first. It'll be a Becky and Dicky dream ticket! 😁
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 1:46:05 GMT
your taking the piss your taking the piss Tony scholes your taking the piss Get out of our club Get out of our club Tony scholes get out of club Next match and certainly the next home game chants please. They'd sack the manager.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 1:19:11 GMT
Rubbish. It’s all about class. People who vote right have no class, people who vote left have bags of it. QED. According to you then,the masses in the north who previously voted left have lost their class by voting for the Tories? Let's see how it pans out in the next five years in brexit Britain then judge. Think he's joking, Georgie?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 20:59:06 GMT
Voting (and politics in general) has nothing to with left or right any more full stop. Care to expand?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 20:53:39 GMT
And I am not sure if all benefits are taken into account? Then there's child services, housing etc. And when asked on Channel 4 if he was OK with a family with 5 children coming from Romania and getting benefits, Corbyn answered "Families and children come first". Who's paying, Jezza? Your point about money going back to Poland is an interesting one. I recently spoke to a health professional who told me she had holidayed in Greece and her resort was full of Poles, so much so that everything was catered to them and and the holiday wasn't Greek at all. Instead of Greek dancing it was Poles doing Rock and Roll dancing! I know some of our lot do the same in the Costa Del Sol, but she's not one of them and wanted a bit of authentic Greece, not the cast of Grease. So have we enriched one economy while impoverishing our own? I wonder how many people on minimum wage can afford holidays abroad? Or are they only poor when it suits the narrative? I think Labour's let 'em all in policy has absolutely alienated the average Brit, and it was key in the last election to the Tory victory. Roughly £35 million per year which in % terms is low at less than 0.5% of the £13.5 billion child benefit (15/16 figures) is claimed for kids not living in this country. % May be low but £35million per year claimed for kids not in this country is a lot of money. David Cameron was to end this if the EU had agreed to reforms. Obviously the referendum changed that I know someone in child services and the things I have heard would make you weep. Funny how they are suddenly struggling, leading to job cuts in other areas to fund them , isn't it? But hey, we're all racist.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 20:47:03 GMT
That I do agree with, it's not racism to see these issues. I think the main difference we has this election was a huge portion of people seeing it as a problem of immigration rather than others seeing it as a problem of lack of spending. Random question that's kinda on-topic. How many people do you think can 'fit' into England? 80m? 100m? 150m? 500m? (By 'fit' I mean so that we can still own nice houses with front & back gardens, we still have parks & open areas in our cities, we still have vast areas of our green & pleasent land out in the country etc...) Farage and others ask the same question only to be slaughtered. It's a perfectly valid one, though.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 20:44:10 GMT
The last 5-10 years we are seeing the results of certainly EU freedom of movement In my town there is a polish community. It doesn’t bother me There are a polish kids in my kids school. It doesn’t bother me They have learnt about Polish culture. It doesn’t bother me This probably doesn’t bother most people What does bother me and other people is governments didn’t build the infrastructure to support this. Bigger schools, more doctors etc etc. And like inflation a large work force helps to slow wages down. In addition in a lot of cases a lot of the wages were being sent hoMe so don’t contributing to the local economy. And this is before we talk about Eastern European gangs and crime adding to the crime we already have. Add other things to the mix and you get a majority brexit vote People think the motivation of Brexit was racism. It’s not a racism/xenophobic thing it’s seeing this massive increase of people in certain areas and seeing it impact on your life. In the big cities already prosperous it does not affect them as much. It’s easy to post immigration stats that may not back it up but the stats dont change the narrative or perception. That I do agree with, it's not racism to see these issues. I think the main difference we has this election was a huge portion of people seeing it as a problem of immigration rather than others seeing it as a problem of lack of spending. It's both.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 20:42:47 GMT
It's really weird. It seems like every country on earth has the same 'issues' in its electorate, with mass immigration and law and order. There is something driving this, and seeing as though immigrants contribute much more to the economy than they take out, some sort of frustration is being misdirected, in my opinion. But what from? We had no such huge issue with it 5-10 years ago? and immigration hasn't change much in that time at all. The last 5-10 years we are seeing the results of certainly EU freedom of movement In my town there is a polish community. It doesn’t bother me There are a polish kids in my kids school. It doesn’t bother me They have learnt about Polish culture. It doesn’t bother me This probably doesn’t bother most people What does bother me and other people is governments didn’t build the infrastructure to support this. Bigger schools, more doctors etc etc. And like inflation a large work force helps to slow wages down. In addition in a lot of cases a lot of the wages were being sent hoMe so don’t contributing to the local economy. And this is before we talk about Eastern European gangs and crime adding to the crime we already have. Add other things to the mix and you get a majority brexit vote People think the motivation of Brexit was racism. It’s not a racism/xenophobic thing it’s seeing this massive increase of people in certain areas and seeing it impact on your life. In the big cities already prosperous it does not affect them as much. It’s easy to post immigration stats that may not back it up but the stats dont change the narrative or perception. And I am not sure if all benefits are taken into account? Then there's child services, housing etc. And when asked on Channel 4 if he was OK with a family with 5 children coming from Romania and getting benefits, Corbyn answered "Families and children come first". Who's paying, Jezza? Your point about money going back to Poland is an interesting one. I recently spoke to a health professional who told me she had holidayed in Greece and her resort was full of Poles, so much so that everything was catered to them and and the holiday wasn't Greek at all. Instead of Greek dancing it was Poles doing Rock and Roll dancing! I know some of our lot do the same in the Costa Del Sol, but she's not one of them and wanted a bit of authentic Greece, not the cast of Grease. So have we enriched one economy while impoverishing our own? I wonder how many people on minimum wage can afford holidays abroad? Or are they only poor when it suits the narrative? I think Labour's let 'em all in policy has absolutely alienated the average Brit, and it was key in the last election to the Tory victory.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 20:10:34 GMT
Is civil war coming to America ?... i wouldn't totally discount it. The democrats try and impeach every republican president simply because they don’t like losing Bless them Sounds vaguely familiar....
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 19:41:10 GMT
Things change, when it comes to politics too. Working class people here in Sweden used to vote for The Social Democratic Working Party, or nowadays in short, simply S or The SocialDemocrats. They used to get around 40-45% of all votes for decades. Also when they contributed to the Race Biological Institute way back, weirdly enough. They have always had a steady support among the masses. Much of what they did formed Sweden to what it was, until the last mass immigration a few years back. Somehow they miraculously survived last time as well and formed a government mix with support from MP (Green Party), V (Left Wing), C (Center Party) and L (Liberals). However, recent polls suggest no way they will survive the next Election sep 11th in 2022. If political pressure isn't forcing an even (much) earlier Election ... Figures and predictions say it will be hard for them to reach 20% next time. Why is that? And why have the members of our largest Union - LO - Landsorganisation (The Land Organization) went from voting on S (SocialDemocrats), to SD (SwedenDemocrats)? The men for a few years and now recently also the female members of the working class. Have they all of a sudden gone wealthy? Why abandon the large working class party? The answer is simple. Nothing has changed. They're still classified as working class. But class or private economy and finances has absolutely nothing to do with how you vote these days! And it has absolutely nothing to do with ideology, charismatic political leaders and hopes or dreams of a better world, also called visions. It has all got to do with mass immigration. Every poll in this country lists the TWO most important political questions according to people to be: "Law and Order" and "Immigration". And for some weird reason, only political parties to the right on the scale have high priority about these things. Therefore I'm very very surprised some still wonder why some people vote right, when they should be voting wrong ... sorry, left. This thread is about Sweden. But I think it could be applied to most countries turning a bit to the right in recent years. I think the left's refusal to address working class concerns about immigration has led to both Brexit and the calamitous performance of Labour in our General Election. Until they do, they deserve to be in opposition.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 19:29:42 GMT
Genuinely never heard of him!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 19:28:20 GMT
And apparently a lot of Labour MPs are seeing through it now. Of course, they signed up to the manifesto and hoped NHS horror stories and Labour loyalty would save their seats. All of a sudden its a ridiculous manifesto and Corbyn's neutral stance on Brexit was a joke. The lack of bollocks in the Labour Party is astounding. The same people sticking the knife into Corbyn are the ones who have undermined his tenure from day one. They're an embarrassment....... Is Rachel Reeves one?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 19:26:21 GMT
I must admit that I didn't know that much about climate change until I spoke to my nephew whose studying theoretical physics at York. I do now. Terrifying. I'm astonished by that. I thought he had pointy ears.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 17:57:43 GMT
I'm no lover of joe allen but 5th best? Badou Etebo Clucas Powell Allen Seems fair to me. Powell? I've played more than him!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 17:40:32 GMT
RLB and Rayner would usually be a strong ticket, but I have a feeling they wouldn't resonate well with most voters. Why?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 13:16:10 GMT
Yes, Blairism is dead and thankfully many of his sycophants stood down at the last election. The new leader must pursue a hard left agenda. They don’t need to pursue a “hard left” agenda. But then Corbyn’s agenda was pretty much European Democratic Socialism and not “hard left” anyway. They allowed themselves to get carried away on the back of their manifesto launch though, it became a scattergun approach that people could see through..... And apparently a lot of Labour MPs are seeing through it now. Of course, they signed up to the manifesto and hoped NHS horror stories and Labour loyalty would save their seats. All of a sudden its a ridiculous manifesto and Corbyn's neutral stance on Brexit was a joke. The lack of bollocks in the Labour Party is astounding.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 12:43:18 GMT
a culture that values things like free speech and not press restrictions and other forms of speech oppression which corbyn favoured. Every country in the world has it's own culture. Some of that culture is imported, some of it gets exported. I'm not sure why certain elements of the left get in such a tizz when they see the words 'British culture', but it does seem like one of their stock questions. Macron said the something similar about there being no such thing as French culture. Again, utter crap. Yet everyone else preserves theirs. It's a ridiculous double standard.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 12:34:41 GMT
Because they think that being a member of the European Union created their situation. Actually the " blaming" of the EU did not appear that prominent in Leave's argument. I know examples can be found and then Remainers can give the counter argument. The main thrust of Leavers' desire to leave was self determination and self governance irrespective of whether the EU had great policies or not.... the UK is capable of having great policies , made closer to home. Yet Labour don't feel confident enough in their policies to go it alone. If socialism is the cure all, why is that?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 12:32:04 GMT
My question would be "Why didn't you think Labour could resolve your situation?". Because they think that being a member of the European Union created their situation. And because they don't trust Corbyn and Labour. Who brought zero hour contracts in, and why have they been allowed in the EU?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 11:50:55 GMT
Sounds about right They'd be the stupid northern voters Emily Thornberry was (allegedly) talking about. My question would be "Why didn't you think Labour could resolve your situation?".
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 11:42:13 GMT
Stoke-On-Trent gets practically everything it pays into the EU back as its an impoverished area.Some areas get nothing back.Now we just get nothing but Johnsons promises ,its devastating for the area. Then why on earth do we have to pay into it in the first place? Wouldn't it be far more efficient to simply keep the money here in the first place? Exactly. It's our fucking money!
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