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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2024 21:54:20 GMT
Shows how hard it is for a young lad to even go and play men’s north west counties football.
Even as an 18 year old the step into men’s football at that level is a big one
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2024 20:30:25 GMT
A lot of those no's and "not guaranteed" aren't certain though. I can easily see Hoever coming back, and I read somewhere that foreign players take half a year to get used to a new club on average. I think some of you are harsh on Leris, who was ok (compared to the squad) under AN, and Vidigal could also get better. And if we go down, they'll be key players! I do think there's a good chance Leris is here next season, he's a decent option in certain situations. Given our predicament it’s probably too late to risk the experiment now but Leris best game for me was his debut away at Millwall. He played a large chunk of that at right back. Everything I’ve seen of him has me believing the only position he’d excel in is full back. I’d have played him at right back long before now and think he’d probably be a better option than any of the 3 that have been used there this season.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 17, 2024 18:35:35 GMT
I wouldn't like to guess how many players in the 18 will be here next season, even assuming we stay up. Iversen- no Rose - maybe McNally - no Wilmot - not guaranteed Hoever - no Laurent - not guaranteed Pearson - not guaranteed Baker - not guaranteed Gooch -yes Bae - hopefully Campbell - no Bonham - probably Thompson - no, as it stands Manhoef - yes Ennis - yes Mmaee - probably not Cundle - no Vidigal - no Haks - no Leris - probably not Wesley - no Johnson - no Stevens - no Burger - hopefully The “yes” list is very depressing 😢
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 17, 2024 9:45:05 GMT
Granted I only watched on a stream but genuinely, I don’t see a lack of effort and I didn’t see it yesterday either. They were simply miles better than us on the day and the way we set up had us all over the shop. We are just crap. No amount of effort makes up for how shit they are. Gooch being a perfect example. Lad gives absolutely everything. He’s wank! Maybe you’re right but certainly those commentating on the match were highlighting the body language / lack of fight. To be fair it’s probably a bit of both. I always think the Cup highlights how you can still win even if you’re massively lacking in quality in comparison to the opposition. What I would say though is that regardless of who you’re playing you’d expect more than we gave yesterday. You might get away with it in an isolated cup game where you drag the opposition down to your level but week in week out, bad players will be found out and that is, sadly, very much the case with us. Burger and Junho aside, we simply aren’t very good.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 17, 2024 9:30:10 GMT
Today was a huge wake up call. It was always going to be tough but it was the lack of passion that was so tough to take. I really don’t think that 3 CBs is the answer as on todays performance we aren’t more solid for it. With everyone fit I’d like us to go 4231 Iverson Hoever/Junior Rose McNally Stevens Pearson Burger Million Baker Bae Mmaee Granted I only watched on a stream but genuinely, I don’t see a lack of effort and I didn’t see it yesterday either. They were simply miles better than us on the day and the way we set up had us all over the shop. We are just crap. No amount of effort makes up for how shit they are. Gooch being a perfect example. Lad gives absolutely everything. He’s wank!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 17, 2024 9:02:40 GMT
It’s not an excuse and I’m not particularly defending him but centre halves play in pairs. He hasn’t played with anyone decent other than Souttar when he looked half decent as a young centre half. Maybe he’s so bad that he’d make a decent centre half look worse than they are. Who knows. I was merely hoping he’d be better alongside a competent partner. They do and a good defender should be able to play with whoever. If he needs a good defender by him that tells me he’s a shit defender. Remind me again how bad Shawcross looked when playing alongside Ashley Williams and Cuco Martina. When you have to do multiple jobs to make up for the incompetence of those around you, you tend to look bad yourself. We agree that he’s pretty crap. I was merely hoping he’d be better as he undoubtedly arrived with potential to mature into a decent player. He’s struggling badly since injury and has struggled really since the departure of Souttar.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 17, 2024 8:57:10 GMT
I’ve always been fairly ambivalent towards him. He’s had some decent games and he’s had some absolute horrors. A decent partner and I always felt he could be decent enough. Post injury, he’s a million miles off the pace and is worse than he’s ever been. A defender who needs a decent partner to play well is a shit defender. It’s a terrible excuse. It’s not an excuse and I’m not particularly defending him but centre halves play in pairs. He hasn’t played with anyone decent other than Souttar when he looked half decent as a young centre half. Maybe he’s so bad that he’d make a decent centre half look worse than they are. Who knows. I was merely hoping he’d be better alongside a competent partner.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 17, 2024 1:06:35 GMT
There were plenty who didn’t like Wilmot pre injury. I wasn’t one of them. Post injury, he’s absolutely miles off it. He’s the exact same. He’s never been able to defend or pass. I’ve always been fairly ambivalent towards him. He’s had some decent games and he’s had some absolute horrors. A decent partner and I always felt he could be decent enough. Post injury, he’s a million miles off the pace and is worse than he’s ever been.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 17, 2024 1:01:06 GMT
There were plenty who didn’t like Wilmot pre injury. I wasn’t one of them.
Post injury, he’s absolutely miles off it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 15, 2024 18:24:39 GMT
Wouter Burger is a legend isn't he? I almost knew without listening that when asked who he was close to he'd say Burger.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 15, 2024 18:17:38 GMT
His English is pretty good. He must have had some kind of base from school. Surprised he lives "in an apartment, 10 minutes from the training ground (wonder where that is?) Assumed he'd base himself maybe in Manchester. I wondered if we'd go the extra mile and set him up with a Korean family for the first few months or something Jermaine pennant lived in those apartments on the a34 roundabout in Newcastle…..the ones by Morrisons That would make sense if 10 minutes away Wonder if he has to live there because he doesn't drive? EDIT - scrap that. I've now watched the interview and he said it's a 10 minute drive to the training ground! That'll teach me!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2024 18:53:54 GMT
I am amazed to see tickets still available online. Thought they’d be long gone by now
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 11, 2024 21:20:19 GMT
How old are you out of interest? Perhaps helps explain why you don’t get it Why does age matter? How old are you? I think you’re old, like some old guy in the corner of the bar rolling his own cigarettes with yellow fingers. Have family that are vale fans, actually nice people! Would a local derby actually not bring some excitement to the city or Huddersfield away is exciting enough? One of my best mates is a Vale fan. Makes no difference. Why any Stoke fan would want a return of the local derby is beyond me. Its a no win situation for us. We win, we are expected to win. We lose, we never hear the end of it. We even have to play them in a league game, and we are once again at our lowest ebb. And age is an important factor I'm 47 (never smoked though). Before 1989, my dad would watch the Vale and Crewe, despite being a Stoke fan so obviously I'd go along with him. Crewe would often play their games on a Friday night so as to get a bigger crowd with attending Stoke fans. All that changed. When we were at our absolute worst, they were at their best which meant that we played plenty of games against them. Phrases such as "pride of the potteries" and "10 years of continual success" were invented and all of a sudden, there was a rivalry where previously there had never been one. If you aren't old enough to have lived through that period of time, and all that went with it, it might explain you apparent desire to want all local clubs to do well. Whilst I wouldn't wish them out of business, the lower down the pyramid they are the absolute better for me and many others who lived through that period in the late 80's/early 90's.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 11, 2024 18:57:36 GMT
Norwich are in good form. Todays win means a draw won’t be the end of the world. They haven’t won away since early December and like most teams in this god forsaken league, they are rubbish. Danny Baath started for them at the weekend for crying out loud.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 11, 2024 18:56:10 GMT
No I’m human being that gives a toss about our city. There’s only one club that carries the name of the city and only one clubs whose performances impact on the city to the outside world.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 11, 2024 18:54:24 GMT
I don’t get the hate. Hope both potteries clubs do well, bring more money and a little prosperity to the area. Same for Crewe. How old are you out of interest? Perhaps helps explain why you don’t get it
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 21:16:23 GMT
It’s 2 in 4 actually without wishing to be particularly pedantic. For context, even Lee Gregory scored goals in league 1 232 minutes to be precise David👍Coming on as sub in his 1st game and being substituted in his last 3.The locals are more than happy with his contribution so far I’m very pleased for him and them…it means we no longer have to watch the useless twat 👍
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 20:58:43 GMT
It’s 2 in 4 actually without wishing to be particularly pedantic.
For context, even Lee Gregory scored goals in league 1
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 19:50:09 GMT
What names did I call you? I'm having a grown up conversation elsewhere on the forum so forgive me for not being interested in you anymore. Bless you. If I’d have known you were a sensitive soul I’d have sent you kisses and cuddles instead 😘
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 19:49:04 GMT
What names did I call you? You called him thick as mince for having a different opinion to yourself I didn’t actually. I said “I was more likely to call him thick as mince than I was to accuse him of having an agenda”
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 19:24:10 GMT
At least I've apologised unlike yourself but just to clarify you've not abused me either its just your childish name calling but I expected nothing less. What names did I call you?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 18:15:28 GMT
Alright keep your wig on. I don't recall abusing you. I just think you're wrong when you say Campbell isn't quick. That's all. It's obvious you don't like him and I think you're letting that blind you to any of his attributes. Of which speed is one. But that's ok, we all do that from time to time. No need to get all shitty about it. If posters want to get all sanctimonious with you about it, let them. You won't have to put up with him for much longer anyway and then he'll be gone and I have to say I won't shed any tears. He's always massively flattered to deceive. First of all I've not said you were abusing me I assumed it was clear who I was referring too but just to be clear that was not you. And I'll repeat if you genuinely believe I'm that churlish to allow me not rating him to cloud my opinion on his pace I don't see where we go from there. My apologies if you thought I was getting shitty with you because I wasn't aiming to do that. 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 17:44:04 GMT
Fair play. Great move for him. They’re a massive club and from social media he’s still big mates with Butland, Matondo and Sterling I wouldn’t say playing in the Scottish league is a great move. Maybe that’s his level? Rangers are a massive club irrespective of what you think about Scottish football.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 16:27:06 GMT
A stoke city supporter referring to another team as City is sacrilege. Get yourself to church and repent your sins. Edit - and the fact I’ve had to spell this out to you means one week of repenting isn’t enough It was a typo on my part because in a Whatsapp thread with friends i do what i usually do when referring to them and put Citeh. 🙂 1 weeks penance will suffice then 👍😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 15:57:21 GMT
I hope Manchester City smash them to pieces Edit…and you need to get to church to repent your sins for that comment alsager! Why they have been the best? A stoke city supporter referring to another team as City is sacrilege. Get yourself to church and repent your sins. Edit - and the fact I’ve had to spell this out to you means one week of repenting isn’t enough
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 15:35:11 GMT
I hope Manchester City smash them to pieces
Edit…and you need to get to church to repent your sins for that comment alsager!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 15:32:59 GMT
I’ve not stopped defending him. He will rightly leave for pastures new in the summer and I’m disappointed he hasn’t fulfilled his obvious potential here. Was a real threat again yesterday and as he was v Leeds. The criticism, some of it justified, is never anything than way way over the top. He gets blamed for his own shortcomings and those of everyone else. Just not seen much defence of him that’s all, and rightly so, he’s not been at it for some time. I get he’s had injuries but even when he’s been fit he’s either not shown enough to get selected and when he has he’s not really offered much. He seemed to be made the scapegoat for the Leicester hammering yet he was involved our only two chances of the game courtesy of very good, very quick movement. He was crap yet he did more than anyone else on the day yet was banished out of squad completely and into the 21’s. He hasn’t fulfilled his potential and he will rightly (for both parties) depart in the summer but he’s not alone in “not being at it” for some time. We are very close to celebrating staying up as if it’s some kind of achievement. It’s a sorry indictment on everyone involved and they are all as culpable as each other.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 14:51:22 GMT
Thought he’d have got more. Was that his 2nd or 3rd red card? I’ve lost count 🤷♂️ First red this season Is it really? Wow. I’d have sworn he’d had 2 at least
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 14:48:12 GMT
I didn’t reference your posting history even clarifying with the comment “on this this thread alone”. You’ve only continued to prove the original point. Let be frank you insinuated I've an agenda for my thoughts on one thread which I don't its possible we may have different opinions on "pace" and his ability but you'd rather blame my imaginary bias against him by making out its in some way personal bias against him all I asked was to evidence my bias. I’d never accuse anyone of having an agenda as I’ve said a million times before on this forum. I’d say you were thick as mince, wouldn’t know a footballer if one smacked you in the face and that you’d struggle to see what was right in front of your eyes long before I’d say you’d got an agenda. Some people just can’t help being stupid! 👍. If that’s you fair enough. Maybe you just don’t like giving any praise whatsoever to a player you’ve made your mind up about. Me…I’m happy to give credit where it’s due. I can’t stand Gooch. He’s absolutely toss. He had a good game yesterday. I love Junho. He was toss yesterday. I’ve said for 3 years that we should sign Iversen. I’ve been disappointed to his start to life at Stoke and would have dropped him post Cardiff. I’m delighted he’s had 3 decent games on trot. It’s actually quite liberating when you just call what you see irrespective of your own personal opinion of a particular player. You should try it one day 👍
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 14:29:46 GMT
Pearson has more than a 1 game ban surely? I think it's just an automatic 1 game ban for the sending off ( would have been 3 for a straight red). Thought he’d have got more. Was that his 2nd or 3rd red card? I’ve lost count 🤷♂️
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