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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 10, 2021 15:17:59 GMT
Interesting point by Simon Tisdall in today’s Observer “Trump is lucky he does not live in a country less wedded to the democratic laws he himself so readily breaks. Republican congressman Mike Gallagher accused him of “banana republic crap”. He has a point. In some parts of the world, Trump would be shot out of hand for sedition.” What laws did he break ?
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 10, 2021 14:29:02 GMT
Pelosi wants to impeach the president
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 10, 2021 5:06:59 GMT
Inciting sedition and committing treason You have to be a fuckwit yourself to call all Trump supporters gullible fuckwits, and goes to show how biased you are in your viewpoint, TDS has got to you really badly. They come from ALL walks of life and the majority as we have all seen at all rallies and protests for the best part have been orderly and peaceful. Gullible fuckwits from all walks of life, but mostly uneducated, bigoted, ignorant, simple-minded imbeciles who are actively cheering on a rush to dictatorship. The sad part is, Trump has done nothing to improve their lives. He’s using them as pawns for his own personal gain, and they’ve fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It’s time for everyone to start facing the consequences of their stupidity. You are everything you call a trumpster suffering from from a extreme bad case of TDS with it, end of conversation. What you have to say is just biased rhethoric.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 16:15:30 GMT
Today's upset.....Colts winning in Buffalo. Well I'm hoping so.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 15:27:27 GMT
These fucking commentators quietly wanking each other off over Leicester. Not only that they are awful commentators. They make a dull game look and sound even worse.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 15:11:31 GMT
I'm shocked anyone in the right mind would have money on the Bengals I do every season Whatever odds you are taking I will double it
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 14:26:35 GMT
If it governed Big Tech fairly I would agree with you, but unfortunately they are in bed with each other. Yes I think they are in bed together, but that’s because big tech can get someone elected or not by their influence, so no government or candidate is willing to take them on. Arguably social media (unregulated and unelected) is more powerful than governments (elected) which is why we must regulate social media to prevent the billionaire owners’ power and control. That's because the government who you think should fact check gave them that power.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 14:12:32 GMT
Now what I don’t understand is certain democratic politicians want to impeach trump What do they hope to achieve It’s not going to heal a nation and is likely to cause even more angst from trump supporters And what for he’s got a few days left wouldn’t it be better to let him slink away as quietly as possible Rather than make him a martyr Some of those senior democrats are nothing short of being as mad as a sack of frogs just the same as trump Because a message needs to be sent that this is not something that will be tolerated. You can’t have the sitting President inciting sedition and committing treason, and the Hyatt be like “it’s all good, he’s only got a few days left”. There will be plenty of much smarter people than Trump (low bar, I know) who are watching this and seeing just how easy it is to rile up these gullible fuckwits like puppets on a string, and we need to make sure a clear message is sent that this shit will not be happening again. Trump band his entire circle of scum need to be made an example of. Inciting sedition and committing treason You have to be a fuckwit yourself to call all Trump supporters gullible fuckwits, and goes to show how biased you are in your viewpoint, TDS has got to you really badly. They come from ALL walks of life and the majority as we have all seen at all rallies and protests for the best part have been orderly and peaceful.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 11:47:49 GMT
So your answer is let the government decide ? Thanks. Yes, like the rest of our laws, in accordance with the checks and balances in place, such as our independent judiciary, so we follow the rule of law. If it is good enough for all our other laws, why can’t it govern social media too? Why should they be above the law? Why let Zuckerberg decide? We can always vote out someone if we disagree with them. You cannot do that with Zuckerberg. If the BBC, Fox News, the Guardian, the Daily Mail, The Times etc are all responsible for what they publish, why can’t social media be responsible for what they publish? It could apply to social medias with over 1million users a day only so that we can still spread as much hate as we like on the Oatcake! If it governed Big Tech fairly I would agree with you, but unfortunately they are in bed with each other.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 11:24:51 GMT
So who do you believe should be doing the censoring ? The government ? Big Tech ? Self appointed fact checkers? You are talking like your points are the norm not the exception. Of course there is abuse of freedom of speech, but the majority should not be punished because of the extremism of the few. Nobody needs to censor anyone. Being unable to post your opinions on social media wasn’t censorship 20 years ago. Why should it be now? Make social media platforms responsible for what is posted on their sites. So they could be sued for libel or slander. Or prosecuted for inciting violence. So if your post is not libellous, slanderous or hateful, if will be posted. Otherwise it won’t be. Doesn’t stop the individual from having the opinion or spreading it elsewhere, but it filters the harmful affects of social media. In other words, let the law decide. That’s the fairest way. Then the nutters like Trump lose their audience and so do others who incite violence or spread hate. It will reduce teenage mental health problems caused by the lack of filter on social media. But to do the above, governments would have to stand up to the likes of Zuckerberg and Murdoch etc. Unlikely. So your answer is let the government decide ? Thanks.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 11:11:41 GMT
I don't believe you are understanding what is actually going on, you cannot censor opinion, this is what self appointed fact checkers are doing. Watch the video I just posted. Yes you can. If your opinion is commit genocide and your opinion is followed by millions of followers, some of whom will carry out your express instructs to committing genocide, you are breaking the law. Freedom of speech is not a defence to inciting violence or slanderous or libellous words. Freedom of speech allows you to voice opinions, but not to cause harm to others. In other words, you can say whatever you please in private. Making it public is the issue. Or are you saying if Hitler was never pulling the trigger to kill people, he committed no crime by commanding others to do it, because he was just voicing his opinions? Not his fault everyone followed his instructions. So who do you believe should be doing the censoring ? The government ? Big Tech ? Self appointed fact checkers? You are talking like your points are the norm not the exception. Of course there is abuse of freedom of speech, but the majority should not be punished because of the extremism of the few.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 10:54:59 GMT
Playing the race card to try and prove a point ? Not having it, should freedom of speech be taken away from us because of a small minority of Neanderthals ? Who said black lives don't matter ? a small minority. I’m not playing the race card. It is a simple fact that freedom if speech is a myth. Run at a police officer shouting “I am going to kill you” and see what happens. Emotionally abuse your spouse and if your spouse takes action, see if “freedom of speech” gets you out of it. Libel laws and slander laws are other examples where freedom of speech is limited. Freedom of speech does not exist. I don't believe you are understanding what is actually going on, you cannot censor opinion, this is what self appointed fact checkers are doing. Watch the video I just posted.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 10:39:26 GMT
Glenn Beck is a nut but listen to what Candace Owen says about fact checkers.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 10:31:52 GMT
Quite! In terms of the majority of UK press ownership, quite the opposite! Back to Twitter - until 2021, Dorsey applied "world leader" exceptions that enabled President Donald Trump to post content on Twitter that would normally be removed or generate sanctions per the platform's rules. I think he's had a fair crack of the whip at posting bollocks over and over (and most of it is verifiably bollocks) and look where it gets you. Censorship is indeed a difficult and dangerous issue, but then so is free speech, as has been demonstrated many times over. As I've said, the probable solution is to educate people so that most people are aware of what's nonsense and what isn't, but it still only takes a few thousand who will believe any old guff to create the scenes we saw earlier this week. Also, freedom of speech is a myth. You cannot say whatever you like regardless of consequences. If you don’t believe me, walk up to a black police officer and shout threats and racist abuse at the officer and use “freedom of speech” as your defence and see what happens.People are free to say what they want, providing it doesn’t cause harm or incite violence or harm (which is what Trump unquestionably did). Hence the “censorship” (which, as I said, should be temporary until inauguration with a threat of a permanent ban if he continues to incite violence). A large proportion of social media seems to be with the intent of causing harm or spreading harming lies. But it serves populism (see Brexit campaign, Johnson’s election campaign and Trump by way of example). It also plays a part in the suicides of pretty much every young person who kills themself, and it leads to negative mental health. What’s the solution? The only solution I can think of that would work is to make the social media platforms responsible for anything posted. Obviously this would transform social media entirely, and as it stands for so much bad in this world (disinformation and suicides/poor mental health etc) I think that would be a very good thing.Twitter would change very quickly if it could be sued for what Trump tweets. This would mean people are still free to voice their views, however hateful and however much of a lie they are, but not on social media to the mass audience. As you have said, it only takes a small majority to believe some lies and we end up in a mess. My solution means no censorship because not being able to spread lies on social media is where we were before social media. Hardly censorship. It would reduce platforms for hate speech and lies. Surely a good thing. Playing the race card to try and prove a point ? Not having it, should freedom of speech be taken away from us because of a small minority of Neanderthals ? Who said black lives don't matter ? a small minority.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 9:49:39 GMT
Who would you have making the decision? If it's politicians, then who's making the decision on what politicians put on there? I'm not necessarily in favour of Twitter being the judge of what's allowed and what's not - but there's hardly a mad rush of people offering to do it. But that's my point it shouldn't be happening. The whole problem here is social media and the power it has. And also the fact that it's dominated by the woke elite. Not helpful. Ben and Jerry's need to shut the fuck up and go back to simply giving us ice cream. Why are all these big patronising corporates politicising everything and trying to influence political opinion? We've never seen anything quite like this before. Deeply disturbing. Yes,Deeply disturbing.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 9:46:15 GMT
Anyone who is cheering on the banning of Trump on twitter needs to take a good look at their actions. Whether you think Trump is a complete cunt or a living legend, how anyone can want to see outright censorship by the biggest media platforms in the world is beyond me. Meanwhile, they allow the Nazi Germany esc Chinese Communist Party to roam freely. A state which operates concentration camps, mass slaughter, mass genocide and slavery in the most horrifying forms. Censorship is one of the most dangerous paths known to man. History tells us that time and time again. I agree, but if it is a temporary measure until the inauguration to prevent potentially widespread violence, riots and more deaths, it is worth it. Twitter and other social medias should be heavily regulated so that teenage suicide rates decrease and mass lies cannot be spread. The same applies to TV news. Without Fox, you don’t get Trump. We are starting 2 tv news channels in this country, one of which Murdoch is behind. We will get a Trump equivalent (despite being a huge critic of Johnson, I don’t think he is at Trump levels of intentional lying yet) elected unless some regulations come in. We are following America, but are several years behind. . Big tech companies should be regulated. These fact checkers are not independent neither centre when it comes what can be considered acceptable or not. I'm more concerned with the fact checkers far more than a Trump or Biden administration
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 2:08:35 GMT
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 1:30:17 GMT
Remember sticking this on the jukebox while having a pint with my Dad in the Weaver Lodge in Uttoxeter. My dad was always giving me shit about punk, he loved it when he heard it and wouldn't have it that it was a punk band.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 9, 2021 0:22:08 GMT
A president thats kept us out of war during his 4 years. Pelosi is an idiot, how the hell she's still there is beyond me. It would not surprise me in the least if the United States goes to war in the next 4 years because the establishment is now back in power. www.nytimes.com/2019/10/21/world/middleeast/us-troops-deployments.amp.htmlMore troops in the Middle East than when he took office. But yeah, sure thing. Absolutely no war to see here. I guess those 200,000-odd US military personnel are just stationed in various warzones of America’s own making in order to teach the locals about beer and ribs and type 2 diabetes and cable sports But no wars
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 8, 2021 23:43:35 GMT
Trump permanently banned from Twitter Will no doubt switch to Parler. As will millions of his followers. Good news for Parler. But hopefully his childish nonsense becomes increasingly ignored being on a minor platform and no longer in office. Once the media loses interest in him I think his influence will decline rapidly. I don't believe TDS goes away.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 8, 2021 23:18:45 GMT
They’re reporting on CNN now that Pelosi has asked the joint chiefs of staff to ensure and safeguard that Trump doesn’t have access to launch nuclear missiles !!!!!! WTF ! 😳 Keep the baby away from the missiles, very sensible! Don't worry, thankfully he can't launch anything on his own! A president thats kept us out of war during his 4 years. Pelosi is an idiot, how the hell she's still there is beyond me. It would not surprise me in the least if the United States goes to war in the next 4 years because the establishment is now back in power.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 8, 2021 17:16:21 GMT
I would have thought anyone who does not give a shit about what others think is not a trait of a narcissist. A trait of a narcissist is to pretend they don't give a shit whilst it's eating them up inside, it's a facade, their life is a facade. You know him that well that you know he' pretending? "You know what they saying about assuming", it's an assumption.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 8, 2021 16:55:04 GMT
In spite of all his flaws, clearly he does not give a shit about what anyone thinks about him. The shit he pulls he knows full well the reaction he's going to get from it. He's a narcissist. It's what narcissists do....... I would have thought anyone who does not give a shit about what others think is not a trait of a narcissist.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 8, 2021 16:10:24 GMT
What a giant fucking baby he is....... In spite of all his flaws, clearly he does not give a shit about what anyone thinks about him. The shit he pulls he knows full well the reaction he's going to get from it.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 8, 2021 12:08:17 GMT
True, but big tech fact checkers will not put it out there who organized the protest. The permits application was submitted by Women For America First, one of the organizations behind the last two D.C. rallies and a conservative group supporting the “America First” agenda. The application is for use of both Freedom Plaza and Lincoln Memorial. The expected attendance listed on the application is 5,000. I doubt Trump will be concerned about that detail. But a police officer being killed by “his” people you’d imagine would give him pause for thought. You would hope so.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 8, 2021 11:28:10 GMT
Fact Check - This is nothing more than an opinion passed off to be fact. Bayern has a tendency to confuse his supposition with established fact. But there is one fact that makes life very difficult for Trump - a police officer died at the hands of the mob he was responsible for creating. True, but big tech fact checkers will not put it out there who organized the protest. The permit application was submitted by Women For America First, one of the organizations behind the last two D.C. rallies and a conservative group supporting the “America First” agenda. The application is for use of both Freedom Plaza and Lincoln Memorial. The expected attendance listed on the application is 5,000.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 8, 2021 10:54:06 GMT
This article is worth a read... Violence in the Capitol, Dangers in the Aftermath. The following point he makes is incredibly important. It’s something we see time and again on this message board, the polarising of argument that denies middle ground. The dangerous consequence of this behaviour is it creates responses that service extreme positions ignoring the majority held centre ground. Resorting to hyperbole, as certain people on this forum frequently do, is one factor that creates this situation. Speaking of which he very nicely explains why the notion of what happened on Wednesday as being a coup isn’t simply nonsense, but dangerous nonsense. I mean this was planned, clearly. And some went there (probably) with the intent to kidnap. A police officer has died too I believe? Trump has been orchestrating it since and before he lost. To think otherwise is a bit naive! Fact Check - This is nothing more than an opinion passed off to be fact.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 7, 2021 22:18:49 GMT
You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh really.... They must have known the consequences of what they were doing and in my opinion fully deserve whatever is dished out to them.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 7, 2021 22:05:59 GMT
You really are not that gullible to believe that. What part of my post do you not believe? Not believe, disagree. The storming of the house was not to overturn the election.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 7, 2021 21:33:45 GMT
Please explain how storming Capitol Hill was going to cancel the result of the election. It was a protest about the election result that unfortunately got out of hand and sadly resulted in the death of 4 people. I know a couple of people who went down there(one a black guy), my brother was considering going down there too, I told him that he was nuts because it would more than likely get ugly, thankfully he did not go. Was it just a coincidence that they arrived at Capitol Hill as the electoral college votes were getting cast? You know, the process that is needed to confirm the results of the election. You really are not that gullible to believe that.
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