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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 23:11:01 GMT
Why on earth are we still letting this utter war mongering maniac on to our news channels?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 22:28:11 GMT
Both Isreal and Iran are the aggressors and the current leadership in Iran will not recognise the existence of Israel and have repeatedly stated they want it destroyed - as do Hamas. You are underplaying Iran's intent. Equally there are members of the current Isreali government who want to either get rid of all Palestinians from the state of Israel - either that or introduce some form of apartheid. The West do not support the Isreali government's aim of eradicating the Palestinians and they are putting pressure on Israel to formulate a plan for the future of Gaza. They are also working behind the scenes with the likes of Saudi Arabia to facilitate a two state solution. I have been completely clear about my position on this - now it's your turn to answer my question - should the West stop supporting Isreal's right to exist and let Iran achieve it's aim of eradicating it? I don't accept the premise of your question or your characterisation of the current situation. Let's be clear here, Netanyahu himself has championed the existence of Hamas for several years, as a means to PREVENTING a two state solution. The Palestinian authority recognises Israel's right to exist but as long as Hamas keeps control, then how could anybody expect Israel to accept a two state solution? Netanyahu has told us that it is better for Israel if Hamas continues to exist. The Iranian people don't want to go to war with Israel, period and currently, neither do the Islamic Republic. Apartheid already exists in Israel. The money and the bombs being used to carry out the genocide in Gaza, is being supplied by the West, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that the West isn't supporting Israel's intentions in this regard. Are the West genuinely supporting Israel's right to exist, or are they supporting Israel's right, to do pretty much whatever the fuck it likes?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 22:09:29 GMT
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England
Apr 15, 2024 20:58:27 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:58:27 GMT
Oh I know but the question is, how much do you lose of Bellingham's attacking prowess by asking him to play in a deeper role? And I'm far from saying that it's clear cut, I've been going back to on it for the last couple of months.
I think you lose a bit but you have a better (imo) player taking up that central role in Foden. Quite possibly. I'd go as far as to suggest that getting this call right, could define our whole competition.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:36:20 GMT
He is.
Not as good as he is at number 10 but he is quite brilliant right across the three.
I’d argue it’s his least effective position. Don’t get me wrong he’s brilliant but he needs to be central or at worst right
That maybe but I'd still start him ahead of Rashford or Gordon and by some distance.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:32:59 GMT
Nope, Rice can't do it on his own. Foden--------Bellingham---------Palmer/Saka* ----------Rice--------Mainoo---------------- *On current form, I'd play Palmer over Saka but Southgate won't.
He wouldn’t be on his own. Bellingham gets stuck in.
Oh I know but the question is, how much do you lose of Bellingham's attacking prowess by asking him to play in a deeper role?
And I'm far from saying that it's clear cut, I've been going back to on it for the last couple of months.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:29:06 GMT
Foden on the left though? It’s annoying we don’t have a left sided forward apart from Rashford. We can’t shoe horn players in no matter how good they are. I hate to say it but Rashford on the left for me for the sake of the team. I’m depressed about that comment, convince me otherwise Grealish (not at the top of his game mind) or Gordon Sterling if there are some injuries
Gordon is in great form at the moment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:27:41 GMT
Foden has played on the left loads of time for Citeh this season.
Yeh I know but he’s not great there
He is.
Not as good as he is at number 10 but he is quite brilliant right across the three.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:22:03 GMT
The problem is, that all three of Bellingham, Foden and Palmer are at their best when playing as a number 10. On current form, behind Kane I would choose a three of ... Foden---------Bellingham--------Palmer Altough there is absolutely no way that Southgate isn't going to start Saka on the right.
Had a great season himself would play him on the right before Palmer would play Foden in all 3 positions before Palmer Bellingham at 10 before all of them And Palmer is absolutely outstanding this season and right now especially What he does do is give Southgate the option to rest the others without tangible loss in quality Given he is very cool on penalties tgen having him as sub come the knockouts might be a factor
Agree with all of that, save to say, that Saka has looked very, very leggy recently and he is clearly carrying a knock that Arsenal are managing (he's been substituted early regularly) whereas Palmer looks as fresh as a daisy at the moment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:18:24 GMT
The problem is, that all three of Bellingham, Foden and Palmer are at their best when playing as a number 10.
On current form, behind Kane I would choose a three of ...
Foden---------Bellingham--------Palmer
Altough there is absolutely no way that Southgate isn't going to start Saka on the right.
Foden on the left though? It’s annoying we don’t have a left sided forward apart from Rashford. We can’t shoe horn players in no matter how good they are. I hate to say it but Rashford on the left for me for the sake of the team. I’m depressed about that comment, convince me otherwise
Foden has played on the left loads of time for Citeh this season.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:16:39 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane
Nope, Rice can't do it on his own.
Foden--------Bellingham---------Palmer/Saka*
----------Rice--------Mainoo----------------
*On current form, I'd play Palmer over Saka but Southgate won't.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:12:20 GMT
Palmer utterly sensational once again.
The only question isn't whether he should be on the plane or not but whether he should start or not?
We are desperate for someone on the left. Can he do that? The more I see of him the more I think he should start somewhere. He is a machine like Bellingham, doesn’t care who he’s playing against. Foden is on notice
The problem is, that all three of Bellingham, Foden and Palmer are at their best when playing as a number 10.
On current form, behind Kane I would choose a three of ...
Foden---------Bellingham--------Palmer
Altough there is absolutely no way that Southgate isn't going to start Saka on the right.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:01:27 GMT
Palmer utterly sensational once again.
The only question isn't whether he should be on the plane or not but whether he should start or not?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 13:55:46 GMT
A very interesting take on the Iran strike ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 13:31:23 GMT
I'm not sure if this is funny or just plain embarassing?
How could 70 million Americans have voted for this oaf to be President?
He obviously has no knowledge of American history, has an incredibly limited vocabulary and is clearly a pathetic liar ...
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Israel
Apr 15, 2024 11:25:38 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:25:38 GMT
That's EXACTLY what is happening and that's where the confliction comes in. Sorry Paul, but it'll take more than a couple of videos on X to convince me of that, and a hell of a lot more arrests of Jews (in their masses) to convince me further that it's even worse debating. You're more than welcome to do your own research of course ...
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Israel
Apr 15, 2024 11:15:04 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:15:04 GMT
Only you have mentioned the word Gestapo and only you have used the words 'overly target', the topic is far more nuanced than you think it is. And yes Germany's historic guilt plays straight into this and as a result, you've got Jews being arrested in Germany for apparently being 'anti-semitic'. It's a dreadful look and they know it is. I said in the original post, that Germany is so conflicted right now and for years the policy hasn't really been an issue but the current situation in Gaza has now shone a great big spotlight on the absurdity of their position. Arresting Jews for being anti-semitic? I'm not buying it. But by all means continue to be upset by it. That's EXACTLY what is happening and that's where the confliction comes in.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:13:23 GMT
But you can't ultimately win wars, just by bombing countries, unless they're nuclear bombs of course. And it is going to be virtually impossible for the US to get boots on the ground in Iran. At the end of the day, neither Iran or the US want a war and it's about time that Netanyahu was put in his place for attempting to start one. They wouldn't need to 'win', they just need the shipping lanes kept open So, just bomb the fuck out of Iran and then leave it to the fate of, say, a Libya?
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Israel
Apr 15, 2024 11:10:30 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:10:30 GMT
Well this is it, they genuinely think we ARE all stupid. There can't be any other explanation for him sitting there and believing he can get away with such total guff. Well, we are stupid aren't we? Because all people (in the main) do is whine and argue on social media platforms about politics and meaningless shite, instead of coming together, getting out on the streets and doing something about it. See meaningless posts about German police arresting a jew for example. Bad Monday morning Fozzy? Millions of people HAVE been coming together and getting out on the streets ... all over the world actually.
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Israel
Apr 15, 2024 11:07:59 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:07:59 GMT
You've not been keeping up with the thread then (and you shouldn't be expected to) but this isn't an isolated occurrence of late. I did see an earlier tweet that was shared, however I think it's absurd likening German police to the Gestapo or suggesting that they overly target Jewish people. They can't be expected to avoid arresting Jews for something they previously had no involvement with. It's just a case of this historical guilt or whatever it's referred to as. It's a lazy slur in my opinion. Only you have mentioned the word Gestapo and only you have used the words 'overly target', the topic is far more nuanced than you think it is. And yes Germany's historic guilt plays straight into this and as a result, you've got Jews being arrested in Germany for apparently being 'anti-semitic'. It's a dreadful look and they know it is. I said in the original post, that Germany is so conflicted right now and for years the policy hasn't really been an issue but the current situation in Gaza has now shone a great big spotlight on the absurdity of their position.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 10:43:37 GMT
They think we're all mugs. Talks about proportionate response when it's Iran but has no issues with 36,000 Palestinian's been bombed and killed in retaliation for October 7th. Well this is it, they genuinely think we ARE all stupid. There can't be any other explanation for him sitting there and believing he can get away with such total guff.
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Israel
Apr 15, 2024 10:40:47 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 10:40:47 GMT
More Jews being rounded up by the German authorities. This is a terrible look for Germany, they are so conflicted right now, surely they're not going to end up being on the wrong side of history again ... Only terrible if you're looking for something that isn't there. 1 Jewish protestor doesn't mean anything since the vast majority of the others aren't Jewish. You've not been keeping up with the thread then (and you shouldn't be expected to) but this isn't an isolated occurrence of late.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 10:38:05 GMT
It is and I think part of the fantasy is that America is trying to manoeuvre to put boots on the ground. I can only think that is the absolute last thing they’d want. It’d be an absolute nightmare of a fight. I think that way they will want it to go is more of a populist uprising and letting the Iranians do the dirty work. They would look to bomb them not boots on the ground , providing the oli supply is unaffected that is But you can't ultimately win wars, just by bombing countries, unless they're nuclear bombs of course. And it is going to be virtually impossible for the US to get boots on the ground in Iran. At the end of the day, neither Iran or the US want a war and it's about time that Netanyahu was put in his place for attempting to start one.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 10:24:03 GMT
Mr Coke - could you please stop making this thread unreadable by copy and pasting these massive articles - why not just provide a link and a short commentary? You aren't going to win any arguments based on a word count. Do you know what, I genuinely think that he doesn't copy and paste them but actually writes them himself. I really hope that the Oatcake isn't his only outlet for them, if it is, then he's writing them for nobody.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 10:12:47 GMT
More Jews being rounded up by the German authorities.
This is a terrible look for Germany, they are so conflicted right now, surely they're not going to end up being on the wrong side of history again ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 23:00:39 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 22:19:58 GMT
A very good point ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 22:18:06 GMT
Where do Russia and China stand on the Israel/Iran/Gaza issue? Russia unequivocally backs Iran. China has a strict non interference policy but having said that, it is Irans biggest trading partner and buys 90% of it's oil. Both are calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 19:59:04 GMT
What are you on about? That's got absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the point I was making about your hypocrisy.
Which in fact, was a response to a post you made yesterday morning.
It’s got everything to do with it I think it’s good news and would offer the public reassurance that someone’s being arrested you don’t. Simple.
I haven't even mentioned the incident.
My reply was to the post you posted a day before it even happened.
You're (rather disingenuously) attempting to avoid addressing your hypocrisy.
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London
Apr 14, 2024 19:45:09 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 19:45:09 GMT
I’d say this is good news that the Met have got a potential killer off the street and people can feel safer. Bad news is when someone loses their life at the end of a knife, cost of living, no jobs, more govt corruption, ULEZ, People dying in Palestine, Covid deaths, the threat from Russia, Rising mental health, constant protests. I guess we all see things differently.
What are you on about?
That's got absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the point I was making about your hypocrisy.
Which in fact, was a response to a post you made yesterday morning.
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