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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2024 9:21:42 GMT
WTAF?
It's like being mugged in broad daylight with Sky News recording at the scene and the perpetrator doesn't give a flying fuck because he knows that nobody is going to do anything about it!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2024 9:16:39 GMT
Or the French police could have stopped them in the 1st place Let's say these people wanted to jump in boats and go to Ireland. Would you want our police to stop them and keep them here?
Exactly.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2024 9:09:48 GMT
Then fucked off to deprived areas like Stoke on Trent spence said in an earlier post that london's health and social care would fall apart without them .
Quote me on that then.
Oh that's right, you can't because you're a liar phil.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2024 9:03:48 GMT
In your opinion not mine,the met are shit scared of offending our Muslim population It's just another edited video, the police weren't even heavy handed. Did they close the pub? Who knows. If they did they probably had a good reason for it but you only get clips of what they want you to see not what actually happened. The police weren't shoving people, it looked like they were quite calm given how much shit they were getting There's so many people with an agenda, unless I see it with my own eyes I don't believe much to be honest It's absolute bonkers isn't it? The police DIDN'T storm in, they WEREN'T heavy handed and they WEREN'T shoving people around. It's like they write such bollocks and then don't even expect you to watch the video that they've posted, which contradicts their version of events! 🤦♂️
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2024 7:51:53 GMT
That's a fair and considered answer Cobs. I'm just gobsmacked at the mental gymnastics that some posters will go to, in order to blame the police today.
And the same gymnastics to defend terrorist sympathisers and not see that he police yet again dealt with crowds that got rowdy and ignored their orders differently Defend 'terrorist sympathisers' for what exactly and when knype? What orders did the police ignore?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 22:15:18 GMT
Absolutely staggering that somebody would even put those thoughts down in actual words.
Really, it tells you all you need to know about Vennells.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 21:45:49 GMT
So you don't agree with the people that have suggested that what has happened today, is an example of two tier policing today then Cobs? To be fair I haven’t seen what’s happened today so I can’t pass judgement. What I would say is that policing isn’t deliberately 2 tiered but can appear that way because of the way stories are reported in the media which on occasions can spark things into happening because people get frustrated as they feel there’s a bias and that the Palestinian protestors are getting away with bad behaviour that they don’t feel they would (understandable when you look at some of the reports) under similar circumstances which I imagine grinds. Do I think there’s bad on both sides? Damn right I do. Do I think that the Palestinian protests have been dealt with leniently? Probably yes. Though I think that the reason is more down to numbers both of protestors and police rather than anything more sinister. I don’t remember there ever being an issue with St George’s day before but I do believe that the deliberate drip feeding of stories around the Palestine protests has caused people to get angry and frustrated (which I can understand) and as is often the case the most vocal take to the streets as they look on St George’s day as a way of showing there pride for there country. What I would say is that those behaving badly don’t represent the vast percentage of the population who are just as patriotic but don’t want to fight the police. If it’s as I’d imagine all the behaviour would have done today would be to fuel the left wing into judging and staking their claim that every English person as being some pissed up hooligan which is a million million miles from the truth.
That's a fair and considered answer Cobs. I'm just gobsmacked at the mental gymnastics that some posters will go to, in order to blame the police today.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 20:39:30 GMT
You brought it up Badge, nobody else. So where are these full facts that you've got? Darren Grimes in his attempt to prove two tier policing above, couldn't find anything to corroborate your claims.
It clearly showed stuff being thrown at the police and them standing and doing nothing. Couldn't see any TSG police there either?
Why would you make that up, when the video is there for everybody to view?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 20:22:44 GMT
It's not unreasonable to ask for something to help understand why you've come to that opinion though, surely? I'd take it as a compliment that your opinion is valued to the point you're expected to back it up. As opposed to Knype, who's opinion is formed by the pattern left in the bowl of his coco-pops. I look at stuff a few months after the occasion, I’m sorry I don’t keep an up to date diary. You don’t see me ever post a link immediately after the event. I just don’t want to incite immediate reaction. I keep it to what I know and I’m fine with that. I could, if I could be arsed and didn’t need to go to work every morning present some stuff but it’s probably wasted on here as by the time I’ve got the full facts the conversation has gone onto something else
You brought it up Badge, nobody else.
So where are these full facts that you've got?
Darren Grimes in his attempt to prove two tier policing above, couldn't find anything to corroborate your claims.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 19:47:44 GMT
Do you have a link to this please Badge? I don’t unfortunately since I’ve got eyes and indeed ears to form an opinion rightly or wrongly. 99% rightly obviously. The trouble is, some of you lot rely wholly(sic) on links from, let’s say, dubious accounts. That is your news, you don’t use experiences or wait for facts. You climb all over sanctimonious Twitter posts to make a point. Some may well be valid but mostly there is more to the issue at hand. So what experiences and/or facts do you have of plenty of violence occurring at the peace marches and the police being told to turn a blind eye to it then?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 19:42:52 GMT
Do you have a link to this please Badge? So no 'plenty of violence' as Badge suggested. Don't you think if Grimes COULD find examples of 'plenty of violence', or peace protesters attacking the police, to make his point, then he would have used them. So why do you think might be the reason that he actually hasn't then?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 19:36:40 GMT
I don't see an example of two tier policing. What I see, is people who have been asked to march in a particular area attempting to ignore the instructions of the police and go somewhere else, if they HAD have stayed in the area that had been agreed with the organisers, then it's perfectly reasonable to assume, that the trouble wouldn't have even started. When Tommy Robinson and a thousand of his mates rucked up in November, 100 of them got arrested and a number of police were put on hospital. Now there have been numerous peace marches where 500,000 people have turned up and using the same percentages that would have resulted in 50,000 people being arrested. But we haven't seen anything remotely like those numbers arrested, indeed when we have seen 500,000 peace marchers turn up we haven't even seen 100 people arrested. Do you know why this is? It's because the peace marchers have no interest in attacking the police. Anyhow, are you going to condemn the police horse being attacked today? Yes, it's disgusting and he's rightly arrested. When you say peace protest why do lots dress in Hamas garb ? Why chants about obliterating Israel ? Why damage property and monuments ? I bet you also defended the BLM protest marches ? Thanks for answering the question Knype. 1. Because they're dickheads who make up a tiny minority of those attending. 2. 'From the River to the Sea' is not a chant about obliterating Israel but is rather a chant about Palestinians being free of their occupiers. Actually you can find examples of Israeli politicians making the same claim. 3. Because they're dickheads who make up a tiny minority of those attending. 4. Nope, I was actually critical of BLM and especially of people taking the knee, as many people on here remember. And as an anecdote I don't agree with all your viewpoints but I do have to say I remember in lockdown you posted one on a BLM thread that was one of the best thread ending posts I ever read.......sadly it didn't end the thread. But that's because its the oatcake, its what we all do 😆 🤣
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 19:28:02 GMT
I don't see an example of two tier policing. What I see, is people who have been asked to march in a particular area attempting to ignore the instructions of the police and go somewhere else, if they HAD have stayed in the area that had been agreed with the organisers, then it's perfectly reasonable to assume, that the trouble wouldn't have even started in the first place. When Tommy Robinson and a thousand of his mates rucked up in November, 100 of them got arrested and a number of police were put in hospital. Now there have been numerous peace marches where 500,000 people have turned up and using the same percentages that would have resulted in 50,000 people being arrested. But we haven't seen anything remotely like those numbers arrested, indeed when we have seen 500,000 peace marchers turn up we haven't even seen 100 people arrested. Do you know why this is? It's because the peace marchers have no interest in attacking the police. Anyhow, are you going to condemn the police horse being attacked today? The only thing you’ve done there is give an example of two tier policing isn’t it? There was plenty of violence going on in those so called peace marches and the coppers were told to turn a blind eye. Do you have a link to this please Badge?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 19:12:11 GMT
I don't see an example of two tier policing. What I see, is people who have been asked to march in a particular area attempting to ignore the instructions of the police and go somewhere else, if they HAD have stayed in the area that had been agreed with the organisers, then it's perfectly reasonable to assume, that the trouble wouldn't have even started. When Tommy Robinson and a thousand of his mates rucked up in November, 100 of them got arrested and a number of police were put on hospital. Now there have been numerous peace marches where 500,000 people have turned up and using the same percentages that would have resulted in 50,000 people being arrested. But we haven't seen anything remotely like those numbers arrested, indeed when we have seen 500,000 peace marchers turn up we haven't even seen 100 people arrested. Do you know why this is? It's because the peace marchers have no interest in attacking the police. Anyhow, are you going to condemn the police horse being attacked today? Yes, it's disgusting and he's rightly arrested. When you say peace protest why do lots dress in Hamas garb ? Why chants about obliterating Israel ? Why damage property and monuments ? I bet you also defended the BLM protest marches ? Thanks for answering the question knype, I genuinely will come back and answer yours but I've just had my tea put on the table. 👍
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 19:08:44 GMT
Christ alive. I even specifically asked you if that was the point you were making and in your reply you didn't deny it. 🤦♂️ You're an embarrassment. Arguing over nonsensical shit. Get a life ffs. 🤠
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 19:05:40 GMT
Paul asked Knype for clarification on a single point, the attack on the Police Horse. Knype chose not to answer the question as is his prerogative There have been various threads on this MB about Horse Racing and debates and whether it's cruel to Horses. Some who were quite sure it was have commented on the the current thread but have expressed no opinion 🤔 Did Paul answer my question over the 2 tier policing ? I don't see an example of two tier policing. What I see, is people who have been asked to march in a particular area attempting to ignore the instructions of the police and go somewhere else, if they HAD have stayed in the area that had been agreed with the organisers, then it's perfectly reasonable to assume, that the trouble wouldn't have even started in the first place. When Tommy Robinson and a thousand of his mates rucked up in November, 100 of them got arrested and a number of police were put in hospital. Now there have been numerous peace marches where 500,000 people have turned up and using the same percentages that would have resulted in 50,000 people being arrested. But we haven't seen anything remotely like those numbers arrested, indeed when we have seen 500,000 peace marchers turn up we haven't even seen 100 people arrested. Do you know why this is? It's because the peace marchers have no interest in attacking the police. Anyhow, are you going to condemn the police horse being attacked today?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 18:51:12 GMT
Pretty pathetic that is mate. I was pulling somebody up for defending a police horse being attacked and you jump in with another one of your incredibly immature posts. You really are a bit of a child. Where did I defend a police horse getting attacked ? Christ alive. I even specifically asked you if that was the point you were making and in your reply you didn't deny it. 🤦♂️
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 18:48:44 GMT
In relation to 2 tier policing I think it’s more a case of 2 tier reporting and it’s from all sides left or right depending on what you want to believe. So you don't agree with the people that have suggested that what has happened today, is an example of two tier policing today then Cobs?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 18:42:42 GMT
Isn’t it a bit of a tired old trope to suggest that some random Jewish person is pulling all the strings behind the scenes of government? I can't really add any more than that which gawa has so eloquently said. Hopefully, in light of recent events, we will see Starmer demonstrably putting some distance between the Labour party and Falter.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 18:33:42 GMT
So you're not denying that is the point you are making then. How sad. If you're not proud of your country Paul then maybe you should consider moving to Palestine or Ukraine, where you'd probably be more happy. Pretty pathetic that is mate. I was pulling somebody up for defending a police horse being attacked and you jump in with another one of your incredibly immature posts. You really are a bit of a child.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 18:07:40 GMT
Can't believe you're attempting to defend a police horse being attacked knype. Or are you making a different point? Can't believe you can't see 2 tier policing AGAIN Paul. So you're not denying that is the point you are making then. How sad.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 18:00:51 GMT
Police horse clearly had it coming, sickening ... So a small clip that's edited with no context around it. I've watched numerous videos and the manhandling started by the police. Horses barging people, kettling of groups and arrogant policing all for a St George's day march, not a anti-UK political protest march Can't believe you're attempting to defend a police horse being attacked knype. Or are you making a different point?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 17:22:14 GMT
He led them down Whitehall mate and ultimately there were over a hundred arrests, with two coppers being put in hospital But oh no, it's all the fault of the police! 🙄 I blame the Horse, he looked particularly aggressive. No wonder one of the Patriots started beating its head. I expect every effort will be made to find and charge him He has (quite rightly) been arrested.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 17:20:41 GMT
He led them down Whitehall mate and ultimately there were over a hundred arrests, with two coppers being put in hospital But oh no, it's all the fault of the police! 🙄 If you watch the numerous videos on YouTube it was caused by the police. They told people to go on a previously agreed route and then for some unknown reason blocked that route and didn't communicate any alternative. Granted they shouldn't have reacted why they did but there appears to be no reason why the police did what they did. The Police have said (as already posted on this thread) that there was a designated route for them to follow and they decided to ignore them and go into Whitehall where they hadn't stopped the traffic. The police asked them to return to the area which they had agreed with the organisers but they refused. How on earth is this the police 'causing it for some unknown reason'?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 16:38:52 GMT
So the police "targeted" the march today, rather than reacted, when the march became violent? Weird isn't it, the last time marchers ended up scrapping with police, was when Tommy Robinson and his band of merry men rucked up at the cenotaph. Actually he didn't. From the video I saw on you tube he made sure he was followed everywhere by a camera from start to finish and wasn't involved in anything unsavoury. He led them down Whitehall mate and ultimately there were over a hundred arrests, with two coppers being put in hospital But oh no, it's all the fault of the police! 🙄
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 16:33:16 GMT
Police horse clearly had it coming, sickening ... Football fans …..More lazy journalistic shite I mean wtf They were directly quoting the police mate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 15:12:38 GMT
Police horse clearly had it coming, sickening ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 14:40:10 GMT
2 tier policing? The Met dictate where people can and cannot march, in the interests of public safety. The anti-war marchers adhere to the instructions of police and go where they're told = no issues with the police. The lot above, decide they AREN'T going to adhere to police instructions and whilst being egged on by their organisers to break through police lines, do exactly that = issues with the police. Yeah and if you still believe that they treated the Pro Hamas / Palestine marches in the same way as they've targeted today's march you need to open your eyes So the police "targeted" the march today, rather than reacted, when the march became violent? Weird isn't it, the last time marchers ended up scrapping with police, was when Tommy Robinson and his band of merry men rucked up at the cenotaph.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 14:24:36 GMT
2 tier policing again today I see 2 tier policing? The Met dictate where people can and cannot march, in the interests of public safety. The anti-war marchers adhere to the instructions of police and go where they're told = no issues with the police. The lot above, decide they AREN'T going to adhere to police instructions and whilst being egged on by their organisers to break through police lines, do exactly that = issues with the police.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 14:17:21 GMT
Rwanda 200 Five people died attempting to cross the channel today, when each of them got in that boat this morning, they knew for a fact that their death was a real possibility but even that, didn't act as a deterrent did it? How on earth are these fuckwits in government being allowed to embarass the UK on the international stage, whilst at the same time blowing half a billion of tax payer's money in the process?
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