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Israel
Nov 28, 2023 7:38:22 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 28, 2023 7:38:22 GMT
It's genocide and they are committing war crimes while doing it. Was the Hamas attack also genocide? Do you ever post anything constructive?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 28, 2023 7:16:47 GMT
Just to add a bit of context to this post, Paul, he said there is no Hamas in the West Bank but as we saw in the celebrations when those prisoners were released, the number of Hamas supporters flying the Hamas green flag far outweighed those carrying Palestinian flags. Hamas IS in the West Bank but without the infrastructure they have in the Gaza Strip. That's why this war will not end even if the whole of Gaza is demolished. Leaving out the hangers on like IS and other extreme Muslim Fundamentalists, most Palestinians have now been driven to supporting Hamas because of Israel's treatment of all Palestinians. M. So they're removing the entire threat, you can't be diplomatic with undiplomatic people. It looks to me that the Isreali's have had enough of their hostile neighbours and they're getting rid so they can live in peace. Do we blame them, really? They don't have to put up with them so why should they . It's far from Nazi, they're doing it for long term peace and security of their people in their own land. The Nazi's were a war machine intent on global domination It's genocide and they are committing war crimes while doing it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 28, 2023 7:14:11 GMT
Our High School (Stanfields) French teacher Mr Rainbow took us there to see "Jules et Jim" and "Mon Oncle"...brilliant.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 21:38:55 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 21:18:47 GMT
It's only continual disappointment at working class lads voting Tory mate. Sorry my beliefs upset you, won't stop me though. Your beliefs dont upset meand people have the right to vote for who they want with out getting slagged by you Of course you can vote for who you like, doesn't stop me being as critical of people like you as you are of me. Merry Christmas Mucka.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 20:26:52 GMT
I didn’t say anyone was far left. But if the cap fits it’s continually huddysleftfoot slagging posters off for their voting habits Maybe it’s a lack of education but what is far left? Would a Corbynite be classed as far left or is he just left Corbyn is a European Social Democrat like me...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 20:26:04 GMT
There is literally no one on this board that is "far left" I would have said there was no one on the board who is "far right" either but recently a couple of posters have appeared that would make me question that. It keeps getting brought up by the same half a dozen posters who laughably talk about echo chambers which shows they lack self awareness if nothing else............. I didn’t say anyone was far left. But if the cap fits it’s continually huddysleftfoot slagging posters off for their voting habits It's only continual disappointment at working class lads voting Tory mate. Sorry my beliefs upset you, won't stop me though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 15:58:24 GMT
As always this fascist POS chooses a side that's useful to him.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 15:57:13 GMT
I refer you back to Germany in the 1930's - good people (just like you now) did nothing. And to suggest that Jeremy Corbyn would end free speech is quite frankly disingenuous. Where have I said that re Corbyn ending free speech? You need to read the post again I simply said that not all people who don’t fawn all over Corbyn are facists. In respect to Tommy Robinson what are you doing to change things if you don’t mind me asking other than posting on here? Before hammering me for not caring (I actually do plenty outside the MB and but I won’t say what as I don’t like to boast) what are you personally doing to stop facism? Apologies - I was under the impression you view Corbyn as "hard left" and you state that the hard left also want to close down free speech. My error, sorry.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 15:55:36 GMT
I refer you back to Germany in the 1930's - good people (just like you now) did nothing. And to suggest that Jeremy Corbyn would end free speech is quite frankly disingenuous. Where have I said that re Corbyn ending free speech? You need to read the post again I simply said that not all people who don’t fawn all over Corbyn are facists. In respect to Tommy Robinson what are you doing to change things if you don’t mind me asking other than posting on here? Before hammering me for not caring (I actually do plenty outside the MB and but I won’t say what as I don’t like to boast) what are you personally doing to stop facism? I've been calling it out since the age of 16, often on the streets. You?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 15:54:53 GMT
Oh...and there are a fair few on here right now directly supporting fascists by sharing their abhorrent views, followed by others "liking" their posts. But according to you all ok.... Huddy what I would say is you need to be careful re using the word “facist” as it’s pretty insulting and though there’s a lot I don’t agree with re some posters I think calling them (not sure if that’s even how you see me) is a little strong to say the least. I'm pointing out that they are openly posting videos and links from genuine dyed in the wool fascists mate - thereby offering them their support or reinforcing their own views. You must have seen them yourself?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 15:28:56 GMT
And free speech is what people like Yaxley Lennon would take away from you. But isn’t that what the far left do too? By not allowing him to speak you’re playing into his hands and this is exactly why the likes of Lawrence Fox jump all over incidents like the weekends and manipulate social media to say that they’re the ones who’ve been cancelled and try to gain sympathy. Isn’t it up to people to make their own minds up? In some ways this board is a reflection on society in relation to the far left turning certain threads into echo chambers ganging up and shaming posters into not having their own opinions because they’re accused of being facists or facist sympathisers when all they’re actually doing is having a different view on things. It doesn’t make them into a lesser person because to be frank there’s more to life than politics. Not everyone that doesn’t love Corbyn or votes Tory is a facist in the same way that not everyone who votes Labour or is in favour of covid vaccinations is a Socialist. Sometimes it’s nice to have views that are a bit of both. Oh...and there are a fair few on here right now directly supporting fascists by sharing their abhorrent views, followed by others "liking" their posts. But according to you all ok....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 15:25:48 GMT
And free speech is what people like Yaxley Lennon would take away from you. But isn’t that what the far left do too? By not allowing him to speak you’re playing into his hands and this is exactly why the likes of Lawrence Fox jump all over incidents like the weekends and manipulate social media to say that they’re the ones who’ve been cancelled and try to gain sympathy. Isn’t it up to people to make their own minds up? In some ways this board is a reflection on society in relation to the far left turning certain threads into echo chambers ganging up and shaming posters into not having their own opinions because they’re accused of being facists or facist sympathisers when all they’re actually doing is having a different view on things. It doesn’t make them into a lesser person because to be frank there’s more to life than politics. Not everyone that doesn’t love Corbyn or votes Tory is a facist in the same way that not everyone who votes Labour or is in favour of covid vaccinations is a Socialist. Sometimes it’s nice to have views that are a bit of both. I refer you back to Germany in the 1930's - good people (just like you now) did nothing. And to suggest that Jeremy Corbyn would end free speech is quite frankly disingenuous.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 14:39:29 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 14:35:21 GMT
On cable street that day the local population took the situation into their own hands. Similar thing happened in Liverpool when Moseley tried to preach his hate there, the dockers took care of him. You actually said he has a right to free speech, I don't - there's our difference right there mate. Free speech is fine until it turns into abuse or causes genuine distress to someone. And free speech is what people like Yaxley Lennon would take away from you.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 13:16:41 GMT
It's also a good job the anti-fascists on Cable Street back then didn't share the same opinions as yourself. Maybe there’s a better option like letting the police deal with it as they did the other day. On that note what big difference have you made that I haven’t. The only difference I see is that we share similar views re Tommy Robinson but you’ve told him on a footy website to Fo to Tenerife and I didn’t. On cable street that day the local population took the situation into their own hands. Similar thing happened in Liverpool when Moseley tried to preach his hate there, the dockers took care of him. You actually said he has a right to free speech, I don't - there's our difference right there mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 13:13:35 GMT
He's in jail ya daft bugger...and rightly so. But you have never criticised him or said that you disagree with him...Utterly bizarre... Piss poor effort at deflection mate, really is.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 12:31:30 GMT
I have no time for Hammas either, which if you'd bothered to check you'd know. And Choudhry... Odd how quick you jump on TR, but say fuck all about Choudhry... Silence says a thousand words... He's in jail ya daft bugger...and rightly so.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 12:13:36 GMT
It's also a good job the anti-fascists on Cable Street back then didn't share the same opinions as yourself. Where do you stand on Hammas supporters in London chanting Anti Semetic chants, and the likes of Choudhary and other hate preachers...You have still not answered. I have no time for Hammas either, which if you'd bothered to check you'd know.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 11:41:25 GMT
Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. With respect Huddy a couple of weeks back you commented “fuck off back to Tenerife” re Tommy Robinson. Now I don’t like him either and taking away who he is and what he stands for how’s that sort of comment any worse than the rubbish he comes out with. In the past posters have also celebrated deaths just because they’re Tories or from the Royal family. Where’s the consistency? Politics aside isn’t it about just being respectful to your fellow man and not resorting to abuse / violence because when people start doing that they lose the argument and sympathy of those who just aren’t as passionate about politics or current affairs. I think if we get into rows or protest about everything or everyone we don’t agree with we’d have time for nothing else in our lives. It's also a good job the anti-fascists on Cable Street back then didn't share the same opinions as yourself.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 11:39:34 GMT
Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. With respect Huddy a couple of weeks back you commented “fuck off back to Tenerife” re Tommy Robinson. Now I don’t like him either and taking away who he is and what he stands for how’s that sort of comment any worse than the rubbish he comes out with. In the past posters have also celebrated deaths just because they’re Tories or from the Royal family. Where’s the consistency? Politics aside isn’t it about just being respectful to your fellow man and not resorting to abuse / violence because when people start doing that they lose the argument and sympathy of those who just aren’t as passionate about politics or current affairs. I think if we get into rows or protest about everything or everyone we don’t agree with we’d have time for nothing else in our lives. With respect Cobs - Yaxley - Lennon ( his proper name I believe) is an out and out fascist and shouldn't be getting any kind of respect - so yes he can fuck off back to Tenerife. In my opinion I don't think this is a time for pouring the oil on troubled waters here - the man is a dangerous fascist lunatic and should be treated as such. Appeasement of these people didn't go that well back in the 1930's if you recall.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 11:24:50 GMT
Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear. How apt! WTAF are you banging your gums about now mate?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 10:59:08 GMT
Absolute disgrace, when that cunt with the hook from Finsbury Mosque spouted his vile shite no one batted an eyelid You mean apart from being arrested and jailed in this country and the US? Attila doesn't do facts....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 10:57:21 GMT
Have to disagree mate, far right fascist nutjobs like him do not have the right to "freedom of speech", dead straight forward for me. I’m not a fan of Robinson as he’s way to far to the right for me in the same way that Corbyn is far too left. That said he’s entitled to his opinion and providing he doesn’t overstep the mark by his comments turning from thoughts / words to abuse or by him deliberately stoking up violence he’s entitled to them. In the same way that others are entitled to have a counter argument. My issue isn’t with people having opposing views it’s the way they express those views and how they look to exploit others into violence or terrorising normal people just wanting a quiet day out. In the case of the incident Milton describes that really didn’t sit well with me as I found it totally disrespectful. That said with the powers available I can see why action wasn’t taken by police as despite the group being very wrong in there conduct there may not have been any dispersal orders available and there were more than likely just to many protesting to deal with with for what they were doing especially when there were potentially bigger fish to fry on that day. It’s just not as straightforwards as people think and there are so many factors to consider for the police to consider. - Resources / officers available - Intelligence on those involved - seriousness of the offence - is it worth taking officers off the street for a relatively minor offence - Room in custody - Media backlash Again, I disagree, for me he is NOT "entitled to his opinion" - if ever people like him where in a position of power you'd very quickly see your right to your opinion and freedom of speech disappear.
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Israel
Nov 27, 2023 9:18:23 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 9:18:23 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 9:15:20 GMT
Not a terrorist. Like most people mentioned on here. It's laughable that people may even think that. People with extreme views, while ignoring people that actually carry out their views violently. He's certainly behaving like one.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 9:14:34 GMT
You haven't answered my previous question mate. Which one? You know full well "which one"
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 9:13:35 GMT
You two ok with a fascist piece of shit trying to disrupt a peaceful demo? you ok with old people collecting money selling poppies being intimidated...we can all go on the net looking and searching for things to belittle others.but majority of the posters on here don't That was proven to be false mate. Yaxley - Lennon is an out and out fascist, the organisers told him they didn't want him there. You cannot equate the two.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 9:12:14 GMT
1. Then why didn't they arrest him on Armistice Day when he did attend as a counter protestor. He supported today's march and there were no counter protests of scale either. He wasn't a huge threat imo. And he should have the freedom to protest in scenarios where he isn't a great threat. 2. I get this but are they able to do/impose that? Given the numbers attending I'm sure there's many other bad apples in attendance too. And the most bizarre thing is neither Tommy, Paul golding, laurence fox, gb news or any of that lot are mentioning this fact. Instead it's pushing the new narrative of "two tier policing" (slightly ironic given the demographics they oppose suffer most from this). 3. Personally I just think it's the next spark to stoke the new culture war topic of the day. "2 tier policing". I think the police got it wrong here. I also don't think there's anything 2 tier about it in the sense that it was the same "tier" whom Tommy supports that seemingly put the pressure on the met to ensure he didn't attend. If it was to do with threat level then there's many other protests where he's been a bigger threat and not arrested. Today it was a low threat level on the Tommy scale imo. 4. I don't think he should have had to leave in the first place unless he was causing trouble, and enough to warrant such a request. I actually agree with Laurence Fox here in this tweet: The only difference is we interpet the 2 tier policing differently. For me it seems that potential trouble makers on both sides are allowed to attend Palestine protests/counter protests and potentially cause trouble with the police being reactive to situations. Yet in this antisemitism/pro Israel (given the number of flags) march the organisers can pick and choose who they don't want to attend and the police will remove them whether they're a threat or not. And as a result the wallys new three word catchphrase for the next fortnight is "two tier policing". 1. Then why didn't they arrest him on Armistice Day when he did attend as a counter protestor. He supported today's march and there were no counter protests of scale either. He wasn't a huge threat imo. And he should have the freedom to protest in scenarios where he isn't a great threat. From looking at the video of his arrest he was given a dispersal order notice to leave the area. Not sure if there was one on Armistice day for where he and his group were protesting but yesterday he was given every opportunity to leave but chose not too so in some ways he sealed his own fate. He’s clearly gone there to stir up trouble and they’ve used the order which basically says “Individuals who do not reside within the designated area can be directed to leave the locality and may be excluded for up to 24 hours. A person does not commit an offence because an officer has chosen to use the power to disperse, but failure to follow the officer's directions is an offence.” to get him away from the immediate area as by remaining he’d either get hurt himself or one of his mates would be wound up into doing something stupid and potentially all hell breaking loose. It’s no different to the coronation in relation to the police preempting trouble and potentially preventing something worse happening by taking action early. 2. I get this but are they able to do/impose that? Given the numbers attending I'm sure there's many other bad apples in attendance too. And the most bizarre thing is neither Tommy, Paul golding, laurence fox, gb news or any of that lot are mentioning this fact. Instead it's pushing the new narrative of "two tier policing" (slightly ironic given the demographics they oppose suffer most from this). Unfortunately for him he’s a figure head for the far right and if the police fear by him being there he’s going to stoke up trouble (and let’s be honest he’s got previous for it) then they have every right to ask him to leave. 3. Personally I just think it's the next spark to stoke the new culture war topic of the day. "2 tier policing". I think the police got it wrong here. I also don't think there's anything 2 tier about it in the sense that it was the same "tier" whom Tommy supports that seemingly put the pressure on the met to ensure he didn't attend. If it was to do with threat level then there's many other protests where he's been a bigger threat and not arrested. Today it was a low threat level on the Tommy scale imo. To be fair I don’t think it’s 2 tier policing as they’ve taken action at occasions like the coronation and other protests where they’ve upset those on the far left by taking action early and making arrests to prevent far bigger issues occurring further down the line. There are always going to be cases of 2 tier policing but I’d say it’s more common sense and being tactically sensible. The Notting Hill carnival being a classic case. If they arrested everyone that was committing a minor offence they’d 1- Have no officers left to deal with more serious offences. 2- They’d be splashed all over social media and branded as “racist” or “heavy handed”. 3- They’d wind up what is potentially a volatile situation anyway into a full scale riot which due to numbers they couldn’t cope with due to numbers. Consistency is good but then if you’re too consistent things can accelerate and go wrong very quickly and you end up with a riot on your hands and the sort of large scale disorder that would make front page news for weeks. 4. I don't think he should have had to leave in the first place unless he was causing trouble, and enough to warrant such a request. In relation to the incident the police may have received intelligence around what his intentions were for the day which either you nor I know nothing about. By getting in early and utilising the dispersal order (lawfully) they’ve prevented something far worse happening involving far more people and potentially large scale disorder by removing one person with I’d imagine minimum inconvenience to him once he’s released. Let’s not forget either that he was given a choice to leave too but chose not too. I’m sure at the end of the day like many activists before him he’ll be very happy with his days work because with all the attention he’s gained he’s made himself into some sort of martyr. Whether it’s Tommy Robinson, Piers Corbyn, Sasha Johnson or Patsy Stevenson. They’re all very different in their causes but all 4 have used police in the past to promote their cause whether it’s by being arrested or pushing their cause. There will always be an element of 2 tier policing but not in the way these characters would have you think but because they need to manage a situation with the minimum damage to both there reputation (which in the case of the met doesn’t need to get any worse) and the public. If you want true one tier policing and everyone’s treated exactly the same then 1) You’d have riots every day 2) You’d have people from all sides moaning and stirring things up on social media even more than they are now (from both sides). I liken their role to that of a referee in respect to never pleasing everyone and to both sides being one sided or biased. They’re in a no win situation. Let’s also forget if they hadn’t been cut in numbers by Ms May they may more officers to do a more effective job rather than just papering over the cracks. Have to disagree mate, far right fascist nutjobs like him do not have the right to "freedom of speech", dead straight forward for me.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2023 7:26:34 GMT
Yaxley - Lennon fucked off in a taxi when it started getting violent if you recall. Obsessed You haven't answered my previous question mate.
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