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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 17, 2022 16:10:23 GMT
Its half-arsed and makes people miserable, putting even more pressure on the players and manager when they lose.
It's 2022, it's no longer enough to do the bare minimum.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 14, 2022 17:56:18 GMT
I'll nail my colours before I start. I don't get this "matchday experience" malarkey. My matchday experience is determined by one thing and one thing only, what happens on the pitch. When I read someone complaining that the pre-match playlist is poor my initial reaction is one of total bemusement and WTF???? I'd suggest that if the playlist is a gamechanger for anyone then they've perhaps made a poor choice for which pastime they spend their proverbial Saturday afternoons following. Anyway, leaving aside my prejudiced, or as some will no doubt say, outdated, attitude, I'd be interested if anyone can give a few examples of clubs who they feel get the "matchday experience" right, also how they think they get it right. I follow Stoke home and away, have done for 50 + years. There's only a handful of grounds I haven't seen Stoke play at. Leaving aside issues regarding where a ground is situated, I can't think of anywhere I've come away from thinking "what a fantastic matchday experience that was!", apart from when we win of course. To be honest they're all pretty much of a muchness. There's away games I enjoy more than others regardless of the result. Fulham is a good example. However that's nothing to do with Fulham FC. It's because of it's location by the Thames. Other enjoyable ones are due to their historic or iconic status (Upton Park, Villa, Goodison Park, WHL for example). Most other grounds tend to based on a fairly consistent modern formula, some good, some bad, most fairly uninspiring. So I await to have my eyes opened to see what I've been missing these 50 odd years. Over to you folks. The result/league we are in will always be the most important thing. But 'matchday experience' is increasingly important, the club needs to do more not entice people to give their money and time to watching Stoke. I've heard examples from people who say they enjoyed a non league game more, people who would rather watch soccer saturday on tv or go on a daytrip. There's more to do now. It also helps set a positive atmosphere around the club. We are in a bad run and it's being made to feel worse because the club looks like it can't be arsed.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 13, 2022 16:41:38 GMT
Fantastic post and many of the replies are reminding me another issues I had forgotten about. Especially the Shawcross one, dreadful.
These days you have to do more to entice people to come and watch games, if we don't have too flight football we need to make going to watch Stoke in the championship as exciting and attractive as possible. You can't guilt trip people into coming anymore, especially not when money's tight.
People need to hold the club, and board to higher standards. It's easy to point to the frozen season tickets (admirable) and decade of top flight football (being and gone). But a football club is much more.
We aren't a Bournemouth or Hull. Before the Coates we had already played a half century worth of top flight seasons.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 13, 2022 16:30:28 GMT
Get rid. Has improved lately but it's not worth keeping him. Should get a premier league move given his supposed quality.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 12, 2022 10:48:00 GMT
I accuse the club of being half-arsed but that 'food' is not even at that standard.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 8, 2022 15:32:58 GMT
women's football gets coverage in the same way Netball, domestic rugby union, non majors Golf do. There is enough of an audience to support it.
It'll never be as big as men's football but it doesn't pretend it will. And after the FA's half century ban, A bit of mens funded exposure is not a bad thing. What if somebody's daughter or granddaughter goes and plays for England? Does it not count in some eyes?.
If people don't want to watch it they could always change the channel. You're not forced to engage with it, in the same way I have little idea about the Six Nations. Women attending or playing football won't hurt you.
Nobody expected Stoke to pump in millions but they're clearly treated it like nearly everything else, an half arsed attempt at doing the bare minimum.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 8, 2022 15:22:17 GMT
I don't want them out, but increasingly that's because there are no clear alternatives. But they need to manage their 'asset' better i.e. Get fresh thinking in
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 8, 2022 11:29:27 GMT
Not surprising. Feels like classic 'bare minimum'
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 8, 2022 11:28:24 GMT
Because they can use the *being fans of the club* or *bet365 employ x number in Stoke-on-Trent* reasons.
There are still fans out there who think they're the best owners around. The last six years have been dreadful.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 7, 2022 15:44:56 GMT
Can't blame people choosing not to tbh. Money's tight and SCFC are making a pretty rubbish job at trying to entertain people.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 7, 2022 15:18:02 GMT
We have no idea if John Coates is capable of running a football club. It requires a skillset that isn't just throwing money at it. It's great they're fans and 'care' for the club but so do many tens of thousands. They're the custodians of it and unfortunately have made a very poor job of running it for the past six years. It's not for me to speak up for Coates, but we haven't been relegated six years running and we haven't been hit with FFP...yet. I'm not saying the last four years have been fun, but "a very poor job" is not adequate. Results notwithstanding there is probably no other board which have done as much as them for the benefit of the town, the club, and the supporters. It just hasn't been enough, it never really is with this crowd. John Ritchie said it right in the late 60s, 'maybe Stoke's fans don't deserve their club. Not being relegated to League One doesn't mean they've not done a bad job. Had that happened there should have been protests. We've thrown away a great position (which they helped towards) for the mid table championship mediocrity that even the skint icelandics gave us. If we are hit with FFP it would be their fault, they should have been fully aware of this since relegation. Its their job. Its just bizarre to see such sentiment given to people who have failed. Frozen season tickets and away travel are admirable, nobody denies it but if that's the best we can aim for them maybe League One football is inevitable.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 7, 2022 14:48:46 GMT
We have no idea if John Coates is capable of running a football club. It requires a skillset that isn't just throwing money at it. It's great they're fans and 'care' for the club but so do many tens of thousands. They're the custodians of it and unfortunately have made a very poor job of running it for the past six years.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 12, 2022 21:44:15 GMT
Nige is a legend but every legend has his day.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 12, 2022 17:08:05 GMT
Get him gone in the summer
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 5, 2022 13:21:38 GMT
Its took years to sort out because the board/ownership has say there during years of rubbish and decline. It.was never gonna change overnight.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 5, 2022 13:20:12 GMT
One problem with saying people should be able to continue their trade after their sentence is football is not like any other trade. Imagine the grief Adam Johnson would have got if he played lower league? Raith have learned a very hard lesson.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 5, 2022 13:15:17 GMT
Well done to him, just didn't work out here. Tbh he looked ill here at the end, save your hate for Rowett.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 10, 2022 17:21:39 GMT
I don't understand some of the responses on this thread.
We don't know what actually happened but the main comments aimed at the lad seem to be 'tough shit'.
The fact he was not good enough is irrelevant, clubs have a duty of care. That somebody may have been sacked in a ruthless manner 30 years ago means very little to this situation. I've heard rumours that some members of staff are far less pleasant than other members. Might be true, might not be.
Maybe Stoke City is a rotten place to work. Wouldn't be a shock.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 9, 2022 22:27:18 GMT
don't see the obsession with McClean. He did ok for us, was often average but gave it his all.
I think most of the problems with him are re the obvious elephant in the room, which is stupid imo
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 9, 2022 17:19:53 GMT
crowd doesn't surprise. I think its a lot of factors
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 7, 2022 22:30:58 GMT
My worry is not getting proper, good people in is a further sign of things to come. We've had our fun, the best we can hope for now in the next decade is maybe getting into the play offs and sneaking back into the top flight. Never mind maybe establishing ourselves in the top flight again. I think the Coates family are a little trapped in that they would love to fund a club in the Premier League and doing well, but its a pretty grim prospect funding a Championship one that can't do much because of rules. And there is no new owners coming. I think it's a lot more simple than that. I think recent history has proven that John is not a patch on his father, and longer history shows that whilst his father was a true gentleman, he himself was not the best chairman and owner either in terms of raw football insight. yeah I agree. John has shown next to nothing to suggest he is capable of undertaking this task. As for Peter, some great things happened under him but I think its increasingly becoming clear he benefitted from certain circumstances
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 7, 2022 16:50:04 GMT
My worry is not getting proper, good people in is a further sign of things to come. We've had our fun, the best we can hope for now in the next decade is maybe getting into the play offs and sneaking back into the top flight. Never mind maybe establishing ourselves in the top flight again.
I think the Coates family are a little trapped in that they would love to fund a club in the Premier League and doing well, but its a pretty grim prospect funding a Championship one that can't do much because of rules. And there is no new owners coming.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 6, 2022 15:05:57 GMT
The problem is going to watch Stoke is not particularly an appetising experience and hasn't been for nearly five years. We have little direction, and the blame lies at the top.
It feels like some aspects are the bare minimum, reality is 2022 you have to engage with people, not just expect them to turn up regardless of the offer on the table.
There are things they can't control. The grounds location, the weather, injuries etc. But there are lots of tiny things that could be done.
If you don't make people excited to go and watch Stoke, what's stopping young people from supporting Man City/someone else/not getting into football?
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 6, 2022 12:15:43 GMT
we don't know what's happened for sure, but based on what I've, we have all seen on the pitch and when signing players it would not shock me at all if Stoke City is not a lovely place to work.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 6, 2021 15:21:27 GMT
1-44 is the top two divisions in alphabetical order, so its easy to work out Stoke's number if you didn't know it
45-64 is the teams who won at the weekend and how they were drawn out for the last draw, so Vale being 47 is because their tie was the third drawn out.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 6, 2021 15:00:04 GMT
I don't understand the appetite for drawing Vale.
They're actually a decent side that have beaten two League One sides to reach this stage already. We're a decent side ourselves, but we have a recent history or losing to similar teams.
Being a younger fan it doesn't bother me if we never play them again. We've made cup finals and beaten everyone of note at the Bet365. I'll cope.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 25, 2021 16:40:31 GMT
I'm not a fan of Allen and tbh i think he has been mostly average during his time here.
For me I think people *need* allen at stoke to work out. He fits the bill for the ideal player many want, 'hard working', 'captain material', 'played at a big club', 'has a successful international career'.
It's one thing for the likes of Imbula or Wimmer to fail but Joe Allen?
So when he under performs here, which I think is a lot you get a ready made list of reasons to deny this.
"others played badly" "consecutive managers have picked him"
if he was as good for us as some seem to suggest, why has he not moved on? We have to bring in money for FPP? Where is the £10m bid from West Ham or Burnley? Why is this supposedly good footballer happily spending a fourth season in the championship?
again, not doubting he is very good for Wales. Just accept an offer for him and move on.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 6, 2021 23:34:19 GMT
tbh if they want to stay relevant they have a big few years ahead. He's the voice of Stoke City but even club legends have to retire in the end.
Everyone makes mistakes but if someone younger was making this many they would lose their role.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 2, 2021 14:46:00 GMT
i don't see the problem. The club will still post on social media on the day, they will have a minutes silence on the training ground, people can still pay their own respects how they want to
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 30, 2021 20:47:34 GMT
Davies hasn't impressed this season. I'd rather Bursik start and hope he is being coached properly through the season. He'll make mistakes but hopefully our supposedly senior players won't add their own
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