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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 25, 2016 8:12:05 GMT
If we are to address this subject again, I'll just say the following - I would rather have spent my time and as it turned out the last time I saw Winger in Belgium than with someone who listened to the Colchester game on the radio in London who continues to castigate those who listened to the same game on the radio like thousands if others. You'd have a point if your hero had swept the mighty Essex champions aside, instead of talking them up as the latter day Leicester. H I don't think I even listened to the game on the radio but it still doesn't stop us from taking the mickey out of Boskamp's loyal army of Dender Benders I do have vague memories of you lot of having trouble at least getting the Stoke game up on your laptop though when I was on the phone to you on that glorious day!? Was that when you were on the phone begging them to let you go with them, Merk?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 22, 2016 12:52:45 GMT
I don't know. Did he blackmail the club or defraud them out of money? Can you post a link to prove he did those things? Were the Police involved in these serious crimes? Can you send me the links of what he did at Stoke which of course should be your main concern. I can remmeber him being sacked by the incompetent and idiotic Icelanders. Other than that it seems that personal hatred and bigotry is all that's left. You mean you supported the destructive actions he took during the binary season to prove his point, shift all blame and get his own way? You are a more misguided apologist and defender of the indefensible artist than I credited you for. Bloody hell! That season was a far more clear insight into the morals and values of the bloke than any of his charades he played later. I don't care what smart arse excuse you try and make for it. His actions that season were a fucking disgrace.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 21, 2016 22:26:29 GMT
Yeah from 12th in the Championship with gates of 14,000 to mid table in the Premier League with the highest average gate for decades represented no progress whatsoever. More journalistic license? Not at all. We're talking about the final two years and your support for Tony Scholes and the owners and board in their decision to sack Pulis based on his failure to progress with more resources available to him. Sheiky - You clearly need to familiarise Greyman with the "truth" about the betrayal of the suits where Scholes and Cartwright stabbed Tone in the back thus preventing delivery of the world of football changing dossier that would have delivered progress beyond imagination.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 21, 2016 19:12:44 GMT
The difference is we have paid it back tenfold with rent payments and our PL existence. Wow...I didn't realise we paid them back tenfold, obviously the BBC were lying then when they said that there was an investigation as to why we paid them back over 5 years with no interest, which should have been an extra £200,000 , but I'm sure you are right, as you do strike me as the sort of chap who would never let the truth get in the way of a good story... I can't be arsed going through the facts and figures again. I have had to explain it too many times to Vale fans too stupid to understand the benefits both tangible and associated the council got from the stadium company without running it all through again to a Stoke supporter playing the role of Vale apologist. Why is it that those who have moved away are the people who most readily forget how vile the unwashed are at the smallest sniff of having one over us and how they live in the hope of seeing us fail?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 22:21:01 GMT
Idiocy? I never for one moment suggested the ONLY factor was the money. I simply disagreed with your claim that TP was THE transformational factor in the club moving from where it was to where it is. It is clear as day the transformation was enabled by the return of the well loaded Peter Coates to the club. If this was not the case and TP was the catalyst for transformation why did he not do it the first time around without the cash? Pulis used the transformation and used it successfully as the enabler to gain promotion. Its undeniable logic. To start referencing grudges just exposes the flimsy argument you are trying to defend. Would it not have been more gracious just to discuss the point? To reference Liverpool and Man United spending £millions in failing to secure the Premier League title is completely irrelevant as a comparison with transforming a struggling and underfunded Championship club to one that overnight went to one with the means to fight for promotion. Your final point was meant as being sarcastic but it is actually more accurate than the rest of your post. Yes there is more to it or have you not noticed we are spending less in the transfer market than we used to but are buying much better players. You can work out for yourself what the difference is. Pulis deserves huge credit and praise for transforming our football club. Of course Coates and the investment were also a big factors and helped to make it all possible. Money alone equals nothing though. With the wrong manager we'd have gone nowhere. There's been plenty of teams who had bigger budgets than ours and never made it out of the championship. Pulis made it all possible. Your original point that I responded to was that it was the presence of Tony Pulis that transformed the club when it was clearly the return of a loaded Coates that was the true transforming factor that Pulis was able to put to admirable use. I wouldn't necessarily agree with all of your new position but it is a far more plausible point of view.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 22:02:09 GMT
I would if they were at Stoke City. Fortunately they clearly are not. Finally and conclusively on this subject I will quote to you figures from the latest report on football finances that you failed to look up before trying to rubbish the improvements made by the current football management in order to glorify your Prince. I think your Beswicks Buddies are telling you what you want to hear! www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/No my figure shows the growth between the last year of Pulis and the first year of Hughes. Obviously a massive hike of £1million in club salaries proves your point that Hughes has only managed to improve matters by virtue of an inflated wage bill My numbers are via Deloitte not agents or some comic.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 21:53:15 GMT
Excellent. Well done Super Jonny Walters!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 20:52:01 GMT
I've pointed out the context to your remarks in relation to Premier League and in terms of total wage bill for the club as a whole. which you have surprisingly ignored. I'm shocked you have chosen to do so. Here is something to ponder and may not help in you trying to belittle our current massive improvement football wise in favour of your Prince. There are two football clubs. One is West Brom, the other is Stoke City. One club spends 62% of total income on salaries, the other spends 76%. Which way around do you think that might be? There is no denying that our salaries have increased but that is far too simple a put down I'm afraid. Wow, your utter hatred of a certain person makes you think he's an evil superman. He's been there just over a year and you're blaming that ratio on him. Jesus's hairy anus that's transparent even for an uber wnakstain!! You wnat to stop hanging around with those greedy agents. I would if they were at Stoke City. Fortunately they clearly are not. Finally and conclusively on this subject I will quote to you figures from the latest report on football finances that you failed to look up before trying to rubbish the improvements made by the current football management in order to glorify your Prince.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 20:40:19 GMT
Thanks for the back rowing and exposed arse covering.....I mean clarification. Why not nip in and edit in that clarification you just thought up and didn't mention in your original claim? I look forward to the post claiming 40% anytime soon. Anyway, back to the topic of the thread I was with the Beswick boys yesterday who got Tone off his driving ban with the story of his Mother Theresa of Stoke on Trent importance and they won't be taking this one on. Shame. Oh it's very clear which way your Beswick bread is buttered ARe you denying wages have risen dramtically then? I'd have thought Carto's cats would have mentioned it.......or maybe not? I've pointed out the context to your remarks in relation to Premier League salary increases (primarily driven forward by TV deal increases ahead of either your 25% or 30% figure) and in terms of total wage bill for the club as a whole. which you have surprisingly ignored. I'm shocked you have chosen to do so. Here is something to ponder and may not help in you trying to belittle our current massive improvement football wise in favour of your Prince. There are two football clubs. One is West Brom, the other is Stoke City. One club spends 62% of total income on salaries, the other spends 76%. Which way around do you think that might be? There is no denying that our salaries have increased but that is far too simple a put down I'm afraid.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 20:11:53 GMT
Well I don't think anyone is going to reference someone who in the course of two posts made five minutes or so apart managed to illuminate his point and understanding of the truth by moving wage inflation up from 25% to 30%. Someone might think you have an agenda to belittle the massive improvement in all things football at Stoke in order to glorify your Prince if you aren't careful. You certainly clarified the point! 25% in a season, 30% since Hughes took over. Always here to help the swivel eyed agenda driven community. Thanks for the back rowing and exposed arse covering.....I mean clarification. Why not nip in and edit in that clarification you just thought up and didn't mention in your original claim? I look forward to the post claiming 40% anytime soon. Anyway, back to the topic of the thread I was with the Beswick boys yesterday who got Tone off his driving ban with the story of his Mother Theresa of Stoke on Trent importance and they won't be taking this one on. Shame.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 20:01:16 GMT
If you think that is the reason then I really ought to come back and suggest you are displaying, your every post since Pulis left and Hughes cam in with a genuine plan to move this club forward. However Im much more polite than that and will simply reference the average salary increases incurred by Premier League clubs since 2012 and invite you to account for how much of the increase in salary costs is player related and how much is due to larger and better renumerated staff outside of the football side of the business. The information is all out there and I'm sure you have studied it in order to make an informed contribution outside of your normal one eyed Pulis defending rants. Or perhaps you haven't? Oh right, so wages don't matter then and transfer fees do. Thanks for clarifying. I like to know the trenches that are being dug Well I don't think anyone is going to reference someone who in the course of two posts made five minutes or so apart managed to illuminate his point and understanding of the truth by moving wage inflation up from 25% to 30%. Someone might think you have an agenda to belittle the massive improvement in all things football at Stoke in order to glorify your Prince if you aren't careful. You certainly clarified the point!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 19:46:34 GMT
Idiocy? have you not noticed we are spending less in the transfer market than we used to but are buying much better players. You can work out for yourself what the difference is. Is it the 25% increase in the wage bill? If you think that is the reason then I really ought to come back and suggest you are displaying, your every post since Pulis left and Hughes came in with a genuine plan to move this club forward. However Im much more polite than that and will simply reference the average salary increases incurred by Premier League clubs since 2012 and invite you to account for how much of the increase in salary costs is player related and how much is due to larger and better renumerated staff outside of the football side of the business. The information is all out there and I'm sure you have studied it in order to make an informed contribution outside of your normal one eyed Pulis defending rants. Or perhaps you haven't?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 19:21:58 GMT
It doesn't guarantee success. Historically though the richest clubs are the most successful as they can attract the best players and best managers. Of course money helps. It's ludicrous to suggest it's the only factor though. To state that money alone gut us promoted and secured us as a top flight team is idiocy. You'd only state that if you hold a grudge against Pulis. Liverpool and Man Utd have spent hundreds of millions over the past few years and only gone backwards. It doesn't guarantee success. Maybe we're just doing well because we've spent massive amounts on Imbula and Shaqiri? Or maybe there's more to it? Idiocy? I never for one moment suggested the ONLY factor was the money. I simply disagreed with your claim that TP was THE transformational factor in the club moving from where it was to where it is. It is clear as day the transformation was enabled by the return of the well loaded Peter Coates to the club. If this was not the case and TP was the catalyst for transformation why did he not do it the first time around without the cash? Pulis used the transformation and used it successfully as the enabler to gain promotion. Its undeniable logic. To start referencing grudges just exposes the flimsy argument you are trying to defend. Would it not have been more gracious just to discuss the point? To reference Liverpool and Man United spending £millions in failing to secure the Premier League title is completely irrelevant as a comparison with transforming a struggling and underfunded Championship club to one that overnight went to one with the means to fight for promotion. Your final point was meant as being sarcastic but it is actually more accurate than the rest of your post. Yes there is more to it or have you not noticed we are spending less in the transfer market than we used to but are buying much better players. You can work out for yourself what the difference is.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 13:34:36 GMT
Kaboul versus Mitrovic.
Mind blowing!
It's s shit face off.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 13:29:34 GMT
I'm anticipating next season already.
Shaqiri, Bojan and Imbula will be all the more effective next season after a proper preseason with us behind them.
I'm sure the inconsistency we have seen this season is due to a lack of preparing together for one reason and another.
You miss out on this and you play catch up all year.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 13:11:07 GMT
I'm not sure why any Stoke fan would take enjoyment out of Pulis getting bed news of any sort. He transformed our football club and gave us the platform to push on to what we are achieving today. He even put the grief of losing his mother to one side to turn up and inspire us to victory when defeat was on the cards. I've got criticisms of the bloke like most others have but I wish him no harm on a personal level. Some fans seem to have lost sight what he did for OUR club. Sad state of affairs. What transformed our football club was the injection of Bet365 money which moved us from a situation of being skint to having serious financial muscle. That is not anti-Tone or anything else. It is a straightforward statement of indisputable fact. If it was not so Tone would have had us promoted in his first spell instead of producing an ineffective side that even Boskamp improved. Let's not lose sight of what really changed OUR club unrecognisably. The putting us before his grief for his mother dying quote is just wrong by the way. People turn up for work after losing a loved one regularly across the world. It's a way of dealing with grief. Different people deal with it in different ways and TP dealt with it his way. It wasn't a competition between Stoke City and his mother for goodness sake.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 12:53:41 GMT
Overall .....I would have to say that he's been responsible for most mistakes at the back . Most of the clean sheets we have had this season have come when Ryan was in the team, simple really with a proper defender in at CB we have looked solid. That is the best you can come up with to justify your previous comment? I'm not sure which is worse! So you are saying the rest of the defence is useless? It also self defeats your own argument given we are better defensively under the management that according to you don't do defenders.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 9:27:53 GMT
And to think not too long back we had both him & shawcross in defence. Big bollock dropped Hughes's biggest mistake yet, he must cringe every time he hears his name or how Leicester are romping away with the title, whatever possessed him to let him go and so so cheap is a mystery seems to struggle spotting proper defenders does Mark and his team. Yeah we are really struggling defensively aren't we? I mean, look at all the goals we have conceded this season in comparison to the majority of Premier League clubs despite an injury list throughout the campaign that nobody could have accounted for. There is a spotting problem going on here alright!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 20, 2016 9:14:06 GMT
He is consistently our second highest scorer, almost every season. Anyone got the stats to hand? I've got one. It isn't meant as a way to knock Walter but is a reality check to those above who, whilst complaining about the stick Walters takes when he is poor have now committed the same sin in reverse. He has scored five Premier League goals this season in 17 starts and 11 substitute appearances. If you are going to start banging the drum on the basis of goal scoring that, for a striker is one step up from Mame Sidebe. It is one goal more than Joselu and Diouf both of whom have had considerably less pitch time. I have absolutely no axe to grind regarding Walters but to laud him as an example to young players for his goal scoring positioning in the box is going a long way too far. The only thing that has been "proven" surely is that the goal scoring capacity of the side is something that needs serious consideration this summer. Super Jon is "proven" not to be a reliable goal scoring option. Arguably Joselu has more of a case for consideration. Having said all that Walters put in a very commendable shift yesterday. Excellent finish, set up and general contribution to a good win. A very handy squad player to have in our ranks at this time.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 18, 2016 15:30:38 GMT
Dunno. Probably. Is there any other with a major fine hanging over thier heads though? I can remember another legendary Stoke manager who liked to keep the solicitors nice and busy and threatened to sue Stoke at one stage who didn't receive a shred of the opprobrium this ex manager has. To be fair the internet was something very limited and only the US Army had access to back in 1992. I suppose they must have had more pressing matters to worry about than Lou getting shirty about his resignation as Stoke manager and his tiff with Celtic. I'm just speculating like.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 18, 2016 15:18:35 GMT
Never mind all this signing our best players on long term deal bollocks. Get the bloody tannoy sorted out and while you're at it make sure there's paper towels in the bogs. Scholes out! This will be followed up with another shambles of a transfer window in the summer - you mark my words! Stoke just don't do anything right these days. Scholes out!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 18, 2016 13:14:10 GMT
I wonder if Harry Redknapp's dog could bail Tone out for a few bob if he is struggling to pay this off?
It is well known to have a very successful offshore investments. Tone and 'Arry are neighbours and best buddies so why not?
It would feel most proper if such upright people and pets stuck together in a distressing matter like this.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 17, 2016 12:54:08 GMT
I still think it's criminal how Mark Nobel has yet to receive a call up but Henderson is seemingly a regular in the squad. I wouldn't have Mark Nobel in Stoke's team! Had a good season doing the very functional things he does of course but England? Really? I thought it was only West ham fans suggesting this.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 16, 2016 22:37:02 GMT
I'd be pleased to contribute obviously but I need to keep all my coins for scratching the neighbour's car apparently. Coins? Sticks and stones, obviously. Sheiky's collection tin is the winner then!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 16, 2016 22:25:36 GMT
I deserve a smack on the nose. I suugest the usual meeting place of 'the statue' for the tear up. The real fans will be rattling their tins for Tone I'd be pleased to contribute obviously but I need to keep all my coins for scratching the neighbour's car apparently.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 16, 2016 21:34:23 GMT
Any Stoke fan who takes enjoyment from this deserves a smack on the nose. I deserve a smack on the nose. Looks like West Brom will be paying for the Pulis family reunion in Florida again this July.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 12, 2016 13:14:41 GMT
It baffles me as to why TalkSport use Cundy given that he is contractually obliged via Chelsea TV to be an apologist for anything that club and its employees do.
Take his defence of Mourinho following his abuse of the club doctor on the same TalkSport show as an example.
He admitted any word against Mourinho was terminal for any Chelsea employee.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 11, 2016 18:43:59 GMT
You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. So just how come when the offspring of Zidane and Platini left us, we didn't go into complete free-fall - given he was replaced my MVG and Charlie Adam? That's a very reasonable question that deserves an answer.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 10, 2016 12:10:22 GMT
I'm going to take a punt and guess he doesn't because he thinks it is an extended mouthpiece for the Chief Executive and it is a defunct organisation that should be disbanded immediately. I could be totally wrong though. You are wrong. It's because I don't like Hob Nobs. Could you be tempted if they changed to chocolate digestives? I believe that Malcolm resigned his place on the council when hob knobs were brought in to replace the chocolate digestives.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 10, 2016 12:04:20 GMT
The supporters council is an extended mouthpiece for the Chief Executive. It is a defunct organisation that should be disbanded immediately. Why don't you put up for election? I'm going to take a punt and guess he doesn't because he thinks it is an extended mouthpiece for the Chief Executive and it is a defunct organisation that should be disbanded immediately. I could be totally wrong though.
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