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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Oct 25, 2009 19:13:21 GMT
Salif's return has been a VERY pleasant surprise - no question about it. To try and make some capital out of this season's stats is a little disingenuous though when he didn't play against Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd. I don't think it's disingenuous at all considering he's played 3 fixtures we lost last year especially the two aways. Last year? We also went on that great end of season run last year after Whelan replaced him in the middle. We can all find facts to back up arguments we'd like to make. As I said, he's been superb since he came back. However, it's unfair to say how well we've done, results wise, since he came back when he wasn't in the team for the three games against Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd. Surely you're not seriously suggesting that Everton, West Ham and Spurs are comparable fixtures to those other three? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 19:18:06 GMT
Against West Ham too we looked a better team when Salif went off. I know he played well but it's true.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Oct 25, 2009 19:22:43 GMT
Mind you, just before I start sounding as though I'm criticising Salif. Just to repeat again; he's been outstanding since he came back and has shown there's life aplenty in him yet!  |
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Post by mark71 on Oct 25, 2009 19:30:07 GMT
I was told in the summer that Pulis was desperate to sign Diao.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The person that told me he was signing said Diao hasn't been fit for the last few seasons and this season should see him back to his best. I took that with a rather large pinch of salt. I've got to say on yesterdays display I and quite a few people have been proved wrong.
One other thing that impressed me yesterday was how we managed to keep possession a lot more coming out of defence. many times I was expecting a big hoof up field but the ball was moved around to enable players to get into positions higher up the field and support the forwards. Our goal being a prime example of that, If Arsenal had of scored that goal the pundits would of been wanking themselves silly for the next 6 months.
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Post by knowles on Oct 25, 2009 19:33:35 GMT
I'm not here to knock Salif as he's playing really well but i'd like to see the same stats for Cresswell just as a comparison.  OK Beardy, I accept your challenge... Cressy in the Premier League32 games. 9 wins, 7 draws, 16 defeats. That's 50% of games ending in defeat, with 28% being won. Cressy in the Championship43 games. 19 wins, 16 draws, 8 defeats. So, just 17% of the matches he appeared in ended in a loss, with 44% giving us three points. Not sure what that shows, but stats are always fun (if you're sad like me). |
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Post by Beardy200 on Oct 26, 2009 0:14:51 GMT
I'm not here to knock Salif as he's playing really well but i'd like to see the same stats for Cresswell just as a comparison. OK Beardy, I accept your challenge... Cressy in the Premier League32 games. 9 wins, 7 draws, 16 defeats. That's 50% of games ending in defeat, with 28% being won. Cressy in the Championship43 games. 19 wins, 16 draws, 8 defeats. So, just 17% of the matches he appeared in ended in a loss, with 44% giving us three points. Not sure what that shows, but stats are always fun (if you're sad like me). Challenge taken and challenge won. Well done mate. ;D |
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 26, 2009 11:26:41 GMT
Diao has been a major surprise since returning although I was at Goodison and didnt think he was that outstanding...some decent tackling but poor distribution and woeful shooting. He did though have an outstanding game at WHL with some impressive defensive play.
The midifeld continues to pose a selection headache for TP and I am hoping we dont see 2 defensie midfield line up at home to Wolves. Harsh on Whitehead who did a decent job with Salif but surely we all know the best lineup which is Lawrence Whelan Diao/Delap Ethers.
One stat not mentioned about Salif is that he has a 100% yellow card record...3 games 3 bookings. Is that a testimony to his all action tackling or a suggestion that a red card or penalty is often just around the corner?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 26, 2009 12:37:18 GMT
Last year? We also went on that great end of season run last year after Whelan replaced him in the middle. We can all find facts to back up arguments we'd like to make. As I said, he's been superb since he came back. However, it's unfair to say how well we've done, results wise, since he came back when he wasn't in the team for the three games against Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd. Surely you're not seriously suggesting that Everton, West Ham and Spurs are comparable fixtures to those other three? The point you make about Whelan is a good one. With regard to the fixtures I would have thought Everton and Spurs away to be as difficult as any match at home but yes, we could go round in circles with this and I will still think disingenuous is a bit strong.  . Semantics aside I think we are agreed that Salif's surprise return to the first team has turned out to be a surprise return to form. |
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Post by knowles on Oct 26, 2009 13:03:51 GMT
I really should get a life, but I thought I would take a look at Andy Griffin's stats. I've divided it into four sections.
Griff in the Championship (then known as Division One) 1996-1998.
57 games.
21 wins, 12 draws, 24 defeats.
That's 37% of games resulting in victory.
Griff in Championship 2006-2007 (loan spell)
33 games.
13 wins, 12 draws, 8 defeats.
A similar return of 39% of matches ending in wins.
Griff in Championship 2008
15 games
7 wins, 4 draws, 4 defeats.
A nice return of 47% being victorious.
Griff in Premier League
20 games
6 wins, 4 draws, 10 defeats.
Obviously a tougher league, and 30% of the matches Griff has played in have ended in wins, with 50% ending empty handed.
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Post by thewizard on Oct 26, 2009 13:24:19 GMT
i am also impressed at diaos performance at tottenham but i have to be honest with u against west ham i thought he was shocking and all the fans around me agreed he was ducking his head down for every header and missplacing too many balls to count.
ok he got the ball through to fuller but it was a badd pass that fuller slavaged.
im not trying to slate the guy in the second half at tottenham he was the midfield and has undoubtedly proved me wrong i just hope we see more of salif on form like in the second half and dont return to the salif when we played west ham.
good luck to the lad if he keeps improving he desevers a first team spot.
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Feb 2, 2010 12:06:15 GMT
I cant believe what im reading on here these days. Sat 12th in the Premier League, Unbeaten in 5 games, Just drew against Liverpool and knocked the arse out of the cup. Ok last night was scrappy to say the least but its a clean sheat away from home and keeps us ticking over. Last year we got smashed at spurs, won this year, Beaten at Blackburn , Drew there, Hammered at Bolton, within 2 minutes of winning there, Beat at Sunderland, Drew there. FFS remember where we have come from. To read what im reading on here is an absolute joke. I remember going to Wycombe, Gillingham etc in mid week not so long ago and to think people sit on here slagging TP, TS off after 18 month in this league is bang out of order. I know where i would like to be going to watch football and it aint the feckin Priestfield thats for sure. Goldfish some of ya!!! ??? Rant Over!!! Well said that man, I agree 100%. Get behind the club you support and lets keep us in this division instead of moaning like we are sitting bottom of league one. Bring on Saturday, a massive game and a massive three points at stake, I don't care if we win 1-0 with a goal coming off that Samba's arse as long as we get the three points. |
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Post by patobanton on Feb 2, 2010 13:05:07 GMT
Well said Knowlsey.
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Post by crowey on Feb 2, 2010 13:10:17 GMT
Steady, but as usual some dangerous/dire tackling
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Post by knowles on Feb 21, 2010 13:28:24 GMT
Legend |
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 21, 2010 13:33:06 GMT
I think it's pretty fair to say that the return of Salif has been far more influential than we could have hoped or expected. However, looking at a few stats, it shouldn't come as a big surprise... Salif in the Premier League.23 games. 10 wins, 7 draws, 6 defeats. That's one hell of a return- 37 points, while losing just 26% of the games. Salif in the Championship.38 games. 21 wins, 11 draws, 6 defeats. Even better! 74 points and 15% of matches ending in defeat. So, despite the stick he has received in the past, it is clear that Sal, whether he plays well or not, is extremely influential to the side. Welcome back Salif. Three games, seven points. Roll on Wolves...  Knowlesy, how do Mama's figures compare?? Not far off, I'm guessing? |
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Post by knowles on Feb 21, 2010 13:42:47 GMT
You're probably right Sal. He has a magnificent scoring record (i.e. pretty much every goal he scores brings us points!)
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 21, 2010 13:44:25 GMT
You're probably right Sal. He has a magnificent scoring record (i.e. pretty much every goal he scores brings us points!) lmto!! ;D |
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 21, 2010 13:56:10 GMT
Salif has on old head on old legs......but those legs were good enough to get him in the box to support Ric and score the winner. LOL
Experience makes up for pace more often than not.
Those playing around Salif know he is steady and that means a lot in the positional and organisational sense. Thats why TP likes having Salif in the team/squad. Its not rocket science. LOL
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Post by Afrojack on Feb 21, 2010 15:45:40 GMT
Shoot me if im missing something....but why are a few of you talking about the team for Wolves game? Isnt that a couple months away??
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Post by stokelad84 on Feb 21, 2010 15:48:03 GMT
This is an old thread pizzle77 |
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Post by fortbrittania on Feb 21, 2010 15:57:59 GMT
he is such a weak player. His "passes" get to our player 3 times out of 10 i reckon,
His timing of tackles is always on the brink of a foul, his passing is weak, his effort is terible.
He was gret in the champ, often a class above the players next to him but he's just murdered these days. Whelan and Whitehead in the centre always for me.
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Post by jbstokie on Feb 21, 2010 16:01:37 GMT
Kitson's influence is brilliant too, we've had a cracking return with him out of the first team
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Post by Afrojack on Feb 21, 2010 16:22:04 GMT
ahh...just testing |
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Post by stokiejack on Feb 21, 2010 16:54:54 GMT
Find a stat that proves salifs passing success percentage and his tackling success percentage.
OK he came on and got the winner yesterday. But you cant fail to see that when he did come on.....90% of his passes went to the opposition. Yesterday his tackling wasnt as bad as usual but usually its awful, hes slow, clumsy, can't pass and gives away way too many fouls. For me he's not good enough to be in the team....BUT id definatly KEEP him at the club! because hes a great bloke and his influence on the african players is great. Player coach role next season.
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