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Post by PickSCFC on Oct 10, 2009 22:34:19 GMT
what would be your squad
james robinson kirkland
cole terry cahill johnson upson bridge richards
beckham lennon gerrard lampard barrry carrick cole walcott
rooney defoe crouch davies bent
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 22:39:25 GMT
James Hart Kirkland
Johnson Ferdinand Terry Cole Upson Baines Brown
Lennon Barry Lampard Gerrard Cole Hargreaves Young Beckham
Rooney Heskey Defoe Cole Walcott
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 10, 2009 22:45:55 GMT
James Robinson Hart
Johnson Brown Terry Rio Upson Cahill Bridge Cole
Walcott Beckham Gerrard Lampard Hargreaves Barry Cole Lennon
Rooney Defoe Bent Crouch
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 22:47:50 GMT
James Robinson Hart Johnson Brown Terry Rio Upson Cahill Bridge Cole Walcott Beckham Gerrard Lampard Hargreaves Barry Cole Lennon Rooney Defoe Bent Crouch Who's your target man? Crouch? Bent? |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 10, 2009 22:47:51 GMT
Kirkland James Hart
Johnson King Terry Ferdinand Upson Lescott Cole Baines
Lennon Barry Lampard Gerrard Cole Hargreaves Young Beckham
Rooney Davies Cole Defoe
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 10, 2009 22:52:37 GMT
James Robinson Hart Johnson Brown Terry Rio Upson Cahill Bridge Cole Walcott Beckham Gerrard Lampard Hargreaves Barry Cole Lennon Rooney Defoe Bent Crouch Who's your target man? Crouch? Bent? Anyone bar the useless fucker that is Heskey. I'm doing a TP and evolving Mama into Beattie by evolving Heskey in Bent. I jutst hate and he'd be in no squad of mine. And I wouldn't really play with a target man. Heskey will be in it though, I'd like to see us evolve past that donkey though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 22:53:50 GMT
Who's your target man? Crouch? Bent? Anyone bar the useless fucker that is Heskey. I'm doing a TP and evolving Mama into Beattie by evolving Heskey in Bent. I jutst hate and he'd be in no squad of mine. And I wouldn't really play with a target man. Heskey will be in it though, I'd like to see us evolve past that donkey though. Do we really need to evolve, given that we've royally pissed the group and he's played his part in that? If it ain't broke... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 10, 2009 22:55:32 GMT
I don't like Heskey so yes. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 22:56:15 GMT
I don't like Heskey so yes. ;D I see. PULIS OUT  |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 10, 2009 22:57:23 GMT
I can't see Bent playing as the target man to be honest Bayern. He's a bit like a tall Defoe, he's better playing off the last defender and using his pace.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 10, 2009 23:03:22 GMT
Pulis can stay for now!  That's why I'd evolve the play MD. If Bent carries on how he is doing, he'll be unlucky to be left out imo with the amount of goals he has scored and can potentially score. I also think Crouch is very inderated for England and gets the job done of scoring. Heskey I don't respect after we played Brum in the cup in 2005.  |
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 10, 2009 23:51:07 GMT
WTF would it be only 4 strikers?
You need 2 to start, and 2 options on the bench.
If we are to progress, then we are bound to pick up injuries/suspensions in the strikeforce. Losing 1/2 means there are no options.
Every tournament that we get to we always struggle for fit & available strikers. Do you really need 8 defenders (several of which can cover for most positions and will never ever get to start/play a game). 8 midfielders? Same applies. So why only f4 strikers?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 11, 2009 0:00:19 GMT
I think 2 for each position. But I've also put Walcott in the midfielders who would be used to cover the right and up front, so ner! |
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Oct 11, 2009 9:37:42 GMT
Anything can happen between now and next Summer, but if the World Cup started next week, the squad I'd probably go with would be...
James . Green . Foster
Johnson . Richards . Cahill . Terry . Shawcross . Upson . A. Wanker
Lennon . Walcott . Beckham . Gerrard . Lampard . Barry . J. Cole . A. Young
Rooney . Defoe . C. Cole . Owen . Bent
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James
Johnson . Terry . Upson . Wanker
Lennon/Walcott . Barry . Lampard . Gerrard
Rooney . Defoe
I'd rotate Walcott and Lennon accordingly. Neither are consistent enough and seem to give a match winning, world-class performance, followed by a naive and unconvincing game. Played sparingly they could well upset any team they come up against. The rest of the Midfield kind of explains itself. No Carrick for me, Barry and Beckham cover the holding slot well enough.
Ferdinand is toss and always has been. Upson, Cahill and Ryan Shawcross for that matter are streets ahead of him when under pressure, probably due to the teams each play for... Micah Richards is, admittedly, naive when it comes to defending, but he does have the legs to get himself out of the inevitable trouble he causes, something that neither Neville nor Brown possess.
The real headache is up top. Rooney, despite being a loathsome uttercunt, is an automatic choice for surely just about everyone. Who partners him is the real decision, and for me Defoe takes it. Carlton Cole is my go-to target man ahead of Heskey. I just think he has a bit more about him. Darren Bent being Defoe's natural like for like, the only other explanation needed would be that of Michael Owens inclusion, and thats easy. He scores match winning goals in important games. 1-0 down, 10 minutes left, there is and has not been since Gary Lineker, a better English goalscorer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 9:39:16 GMT
Upson and Cahill could play til they were 50 and they still could only dream of being half as good as Rio.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 11, 2009 9:42:45 GMT
the worrying thing for me is out of everyones squad picked, the goalkeeping position is a major problem! until we find a commanding gk that doesnt concede soft goals or do stupid mistakes every game we are in a spot of trouble! we cant expect score 2 goals a game in a major tournament to wipe out gk errors, we need to grind out 1 nils and with them keppers i cant see us doing it. what the answer is or who the answer is i have no idea
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Post by chrissmithstoke on Oct 11, 2009 9:45:16 GMT
Green* Robinson James Johnson* Terry* Upson* A.Cole* Ferdinand Shawcross Baines Cahill Lennon* Gerrard* Lampard* J.Cole* Barry Young Milner Defoe* Ronney* Owen Beattie Crouch |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 9:46:09 GMT
Goalkeeper, Centre Back and Right Back are all problem areas imo.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Oct 11, 2009 9:46:25 GMT
Upson and Cahill could play til they were 50 and they still could only dream of being half as good as Rio. All about opinions isn't it. Just so happens that yours is wrong on this occasion. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 9:51:20 GMT
Upson and Cahill could play til they were 50 and they still could only dream of being half as good as Rio. All about opinions isn't it. Just so happens that yours is wrong on this occasion. ;D Upson and Cahill are just decent, above average centre backs. Good, steady, Prem level. Nowhere near world class. Ferdinand between 2005 and 2008 would have got into pretty much any side in the world. That season they won the Prem and Champions League especially he was absolutely outstanding. Also Upson has frequently looked dodgy when called on for England, as has Lescott. |
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Oct 11, 2009 10:00:24 GMT
He looked very good. No doubting that. But I can't help but wonder how good players such as Shawcross would look wearing a shit shirt alongside Vidic. For me, Ferdinand has always been dodgy, wandering up and down the pitch whenever he feels like it, trying smartarsed turns that he just about escapes being found out for because of the protection he gets playing for a big club.
Between the years mentioned he was rarely ever exposed, this year, given even the slightest of responsibility he just crumbles. There is no coincidence that The Shit looked better defensively with a rookie, Johnny Evans partnering Vidic at the back.
Personally, I'd take Cahill, Upson or Shawcross over him all day long.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 10:13:54 GMT
trying smartarsed turns that he just about escapes being found out for Like Abdoulaye you mean? You could also similarly argue that Ryan looks as good as he does because he has Faye alongside him. I think Rio looked excellent for England during those years as well, when he didn't have Vidic alongside him. During that time, he seemed to have developed the football brain that he lacked before (and lacks again now) - positionally better, marshalling players out of the game, owning the likes of Torres and Drogba. Upson and Cahill aren't really footballing centre backs in the same sense. Upson is capable of it, but given that when he plays for England he looks so terrified that you can practically see the turtle's head, Rio and Terry are still the best we have by a long way. |
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Post by stokie12345 on Oct 11, 2009 12:45:40 GMT
Goalkeepers: Green, Robinson, Foster Defenders: Johnson, Richards, Ferdinand, Upson, Terry, Shawcross  , A. Cole, Bridge Midfielders: Lennon, Walcott, Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Carrick, J. Cole, Milner Strikers: Rooney, Heskey, C. Cole, Bent
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Post by BiddulphStokie on Oct 11, 2009 14:31:59 GMT
james . robinson . kirkland
Johnson . Richards . Terry . Lescott . Ferdinand. Upson. A.cole
Lennon . Walcott . Beckham . Gerrard . Lampard . Barry . J.Cole . A.Young
Rooney . Defoe . Crouch . D.Bent . Agbonglahor
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 11, 2009 15:46:27 GMT
James . Kirkland . Foster
Johnson . Ferdinand . G Neville . Terry . Shawcross . Upson . A.Cole
Lennon . Walcott . J Milner . Gerrard . Lampard . Barry . J. Cole . A. Young
Rooney . Defoe . Heskey . Owen . Crouch
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Post by walrus on Oct 11, 2009 17:27:11 GMT
James, Green, Kirkland
Johnson, Brown, Ferdinand, Terry, Upson, Baines, A. Cole
Lennon, Walcott, Beckham if he gets to AC Milan, Gerrard, Lampard, Barry, J. Cole, Young
Rooney, Defoe, Crouch, C. Cole, Bent
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Post by stokie12345 on Oct 11, 2009 18:08:07 GMT
bit of a light defence ITPL, we'd be screwed with a couple of defensive injuries
+ wes brown ???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 18:11:39 GMT
bit of a light defence ITPL, we'd be screwed with a couple of defensive injuries + wes brown ??? Wes Brown is pretty much the only other option for cover at right back. Can also cover centre back as well. |
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Post by stokie12345 on Oct 11, 2009 18:27:28 GMT
id take Micah Richards over him
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Post by salopstick on Oct 11, 2009 18:29:35 GMT
hart has to go - the most promising englis keeper we have, lets face it the 3rd choice keeper wont play so rather than someone old who wont play lets give him some big tournament experience
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, A. Cole, Bridge
