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Post by trebor63 on Jun 14, 2009 13:44:17 GMT
I remember telly clips and reading papers of far off 'backward' countries where the people were told what to do what to think and what they could and couldn't say. Are we now that county? With us the most filmed country in the world via CCTV and laws being passed to make it a criminal offence to say certain words (the latest being 'gay' type insults / references. And the virtual police state with our very own 100% innocent fans being rounded up and shipped out of Manchester against their will for...... well, nothing! Has political correctness now turned us in to mindless cabbages for the loony left to manipulate at will? www.capc.co.uk/famous_non-pc.htm |
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Post by cantspellwontspell on Jun 14, 2009 14:17:53 GMT
deluded
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Post by french toast on Jun 14, 2009 14:57:12 GMT
fucking fag ;D
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Post by powchirper on Jun 14, 2009 15:10:41 GMT
there are a few on here mate, iflid being the leader of a bunch of sub-normal crackpots with delusional ideas for our country, dont agree with them and they/he gets you a ban.
He is the cesspit of the m/b.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jun 14, 2009 15:18:34 GMT
I'd say we were a deomcracy. Free and fair elections, accountable governments, elections aren't fixed (unlike places like Iran), we have a free press, you can pretty much say what you want as long as it doesn't course direct offence to anyone. You can do anything you want as long as you don't break the law and just because we have loads of CCTV it doesn't mean we're being watched 24/7 by some government official. There are deficits to democracy don't get me wrong, things like the Government calls when the next general election is, voting age, freedom of information doesn't always go far enough etc but we ARE NOT a dictatorship and chirper that doesn't make me delusional.  |
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Post by bostedclog on Jun 14, 2009 15:18:37 GMT
I remember telly clips and reading papers of far off 'backward' countries where the people were told what to do what to think and what they could and couldn't say. Are we now that county? With us the most filmed country in the world via CCTV and laws being passed to make it a criminal offence to say certain words (the latest being 'gay' type insults / references. And the virtual police state with our very own 100% innocent fans being rounded up and shipped out of Manchester against their will for...... well, nothing! Has political correctness now turned us in to mindless cabbages for the loony left to manipulate at will? www.capc.co.uk/famous_non-pc.htmWhats is a far off backward country. please define.  |
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Post by trebor63 on Jun 14, 2009 15:39:40 GMT
there are a few on here mate, iflid being the leader of a bunch of sub-normal crackpots with delusional ideas for our country, dont agree with them and they/he gets you a ban. He is the cesspit of the m/b. Got to admit ID does tend to have very outdated slightly strange views on most things political. It's like he is stuck in the early 1970s and sees himself as a big wig in the student common room. As for far off backward countries, much of Russia in the seventies was a complete balls of a country where people were all but forbidden to think what they wanted yet alone say what they wanted. Sadly as they have come one way our crackpot leaders have took us another way and even though (as shown on here) people like ID are the figures of ridicule with their weird ideas it only takes a few like him in any sort of power to totally destroy the country. As thousands (millions) of people realise how dangerous pc is and, as the original article shows, many of the people that the left wing pc brigade set out to protect are the very ones complaining about it! If I'd had to put money on the people that simply wouldn't have enough sense to realise what the article was saying ID would have been top of the list! Not the brightest button but people like him are arguably the most dangerous to our freedom |
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Post by trebor63 on Jun 14, 2009 15:46:37 GMT
I'd say we were a deomcracy. Free and fair elections, accountable governments, elections aren't fixed (unlike places like Iran), we have a free press, you can pretty much say what you want as long as it doesn't course direct offence to anyone. You can do anything you want as long as you don't break the law and just because we have loads of CCTV it doesn't mean we're being watched 24/7 by some government official. There are deficits to democracy don't get me wrong, things like the Government calls when the next general election is, voting age, freedom of information doesn't always go far enough etc but we ARE NOT a dictatorship and chirper that doesn't make me delusional. Free and fair elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is estimated by politicians of all parties that 70% of seats are 'safe' and it would take monumental cock ups to lose them for whichever party. Because of our election system (first past the post) that means that in effect 70% of people have no effective vote. Our government rarely has the majority of the country backing it and minor parties might get 1 in 10 people supporting it but have NO power in parliament. Manifestos are churned out and we are meant to vote on them but look at Labours last manifesto and tell me where our vote on the Lisbon treaty is that they promised! They can lie at will and they do as a matter of course. |
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jun 14, 2009 15:58:36 GMT
I know the electoral systems, pretty much all of them, very well. I think FPTP has it faults, but it also has it's positives. Free and fair doesn't mean every party as the same chance getting in, it means that elections are free (you don't have to pay and you can vote for who you want, I suppose if you want to be a smart arse you can argue that parties have to pay to stand, but the public don't have to pay). By the way Trebor, do you think we should have an elected 2nd chamber? |
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Post by serpico on Jun 14, 2009 16:26:15 GMT
I wouldn't say it's a dictatorship per se, more of a plutocracy, but civil liberties have been hacked away massively in the past 10 years and attacks on free speech have also been massive, imo you either believe in free speech right across the board, or you simply do not believe in it at all, i don't like the national socialist bnp and what they spout, but they should be allowed to say whatever they like.
elections have become little more than reverse slave auctions. where the slaves get to choose their rulers .
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Post by cantspellwontspell on Jun 14, 2009 16:51:01 GMT
! If I'd had to put money on the people that simply wouldn't have enough sense to realise what the article was saying ID would have been top of the list! You made the assumption I read it, which i didn't on the basis its probably right wing hog wash. The UK does not meet any known definition of a dictatorship. Are we anything like North Korea ? |
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Post by longwait on Jun 14, 2009 17:12:28 GMT
! If I'd had to put money on the people that simply wouldn't have enough sense to realise what the article was saying ID would have been top of the list! You made the assumption I read it, which i didn't on the basis its probably right wing hog wash. The UK does not meet any known definition of a dictatorship. Are we anything like North Korea ? how can you assume things are right wing when you dont read them? Always makes me laugh how right wing is hog wash, bollocks, and people who talk about right wing mandates are mindless morons, yet left wing propaganda is totally true and the dogs bollocks, and nowt can be said about it. "blinkered" springs to mind .................... more like the house of thieves every day |
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Post by powchirper on Jun 14, 2009 17:44:13 GMT
more like brainwash, as in iflid and co have been brainwashed by the crackpots and are sneeped that we dont all fuckin well agree with their perverse ideas
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Post by trebor63 on Jun 14, 2009 18:33:43 GMT
I know the electoral systems, pretty much all of them, very well. I think FPTP has it faults, but it also has it's positives. Free and fair doesn't mean every party as the same chance getting in, it means that elections are free (you don't have to pay and you can vote for who you want, I suppose if you want to be a smart arse you can argue that parties have to pay to stand, but the public don't have to pay). By the way Trebor, do you think we should have an elected 2nd chamber? The public already do pay for the prromoting of the political parties with the majority being swallowed up by the big two. The big two who are in effect the only two who can possibly win an election with the current electoral system. But sadly both have the same ideas on 90% of all policies. Our actual choice doesn't exist and the electoral system will never change cos the only two parties who could change it would lose the most! So 70% of Brits will remain (in effect) voteless. As for ID I think he's shown why he has the mental age of a slightly dim student its because he not only doesn't understand anything that is slightly alien to his antiquated views but he won't even try to! |
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Jun 14, 2009 18:42:31 GMT
i live in a dictatorship of sorts, allbeit benign (if you stay on the right side of the law) and to be honest, i wouldnt have it any other way.
im quite happy to swap a degree of personal liberty for a relatively crime free environment.
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Post by powchirper on Jun 14, 2009 20:11:36 GMT
Trebor63 is fast becoming my most favouriteist poster of all time. Sorry 25  |
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Post by march4 on Jun 14, 2009 21:05:49 GMT
You want to live in a dictatorship before claiming we are living in one on Britain.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 14, 2009 21:26:22 GMT
To paraphrase George Carlin, elections are just shovelling shit around every 4 years.
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Post by crimesy on Jun 15, 2009 13:39:21 GMT
Not a huge fan of Jeremy Clarkeson but he is one of few presenters on the television who aren't overpowered by PC, he needs a knighthood for some of his quotes, e.g. The Lorry Driver one.  The first time PC really pissed me off was when that fit BBC news presenter was told she couldn't wear a cross around her neck as it was upsetting muslim viewers, absoloute disgrace. |
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Post by burberrybassist on Jun 15, 2009 13:54:29 GMT
I hate it when people get the definition of "Right wing" confused with authoritarian. I am right wing because I believe in a free market and that the government should should have as little influence on my life as possible, but I am also very liberal and believe that gay people and people from a different ethnic background than me are equal and should be treated so, I preach peace and love man! ;D
We are not living in a dictatorship, and people can still effect votes etc just look at the BNP getting into the Euro elections, that is proof that votes really do count. I'd rather live in England than any other country. I love the fact that we are allowed to have these conversations and that the internet doesn't ban us from such talk like it would in China or North Korea. We are very a privileged nation
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 15, 2009 14:26:51 GMT
There is nothing wrong with the Election system in the UK, the problem lies with the fact that far too many people can't be arsed to get off their backsides and vote.
There is no use in whining about the state of the nation if you are not going to excercise your right to make a difference when you have the opportunity.
The notion that the country is under some sort of dictatorship is fucking moronic.
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Post by bostedclog on Jun 15, 2009 14:56:14 GMT
Make your own mind up.Evidence for. 1,Dictatorship: A dictator will, against the will of the people enact laws to suit their own ends 2,A dictator will pass statute law that decreases the rights of the people with free speech, freedom of movement and freedom of thought. 3,A dictator will ensure that those close party members or financial backers will receive unearned rewards 4,The incumbent politicians of this and previous parliaments have continuously eroded the democratic principles to such an extent; we can scarcely recognise the country that our forefathers fought two world wars for 5,Turns a blind eye to torture. 6,Shreds habeas corpus. 7,A dictator ignores the law of the land and is unaccountable for his/her actions. Evidence against.  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 15, 2009 15:14:48 GMT
The reason for the two-tier political system is because not enough people give a shit about politics. This of course leads to the 'chicken and egg style' of arguement of which came first: politicians apathy for the electorate or vice-versa.
As long as people are prepared to swallow the sort of crap that is thrown at them then it will carry on being chucked.
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Post by beagriestache on Jun 15, 2009 18:19:16 GMT
You do make me laugh Chirpertheracist and Trebor.
You accuse people of being dim simply because they don't agree with you or, in your words, don't try to.
Perhaps you are the dim ones because you cling so fervently to your opinions and don't even try to understand anything that challenges them! Quite similar really...
Maybe you're just wind-up merchants, who knows?
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Post by rocket88 on Jun 15, 2009 18:55:31 GMT
I live with Emma. Therefore it's a dictatorship. ;D |
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Post by trebor63 on Jun 15, 2009 21:27:27 GMT
You do make me laugh Chirpertheracist and Trebor. You accuse people of being dim simply because they don't agree with you or, in your words, don't try to. Perhaps you are the dim ones because you cling so fervently to your opinions and don't even try to understand anything that challenges them! Quite similar really... Maybe you're just wind-up merchants, who knows? I didn't accuse 'people' of being dim I said ID was dim! And that was based on what he said basically by responding to something he said he didn't read! That isn't very bright no matter how you look at it! As for wind up merchant, not really no! The two George Orwell books Animal Farm and 1984 may as well be the Labour party manifesto. The pigs have took over and their snouts are firmly in the trough despite pretending they are 'one of us' and some of the more gullible amongst us actually support them. As for 1984 well we are as good as there already cameras on your wheelie bins here we come, dna taken at birth here we come, etc etc So far as saying we are a dictatorship clearly that was slightly dramatic wording but as Bostedclog has pointed out we are hurtling towards it at very great speed! |
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Post by powchirper on Jun 15, 2009 21:40:29 GMT
You do make me laugh Chirpertheracist and Trebor. You accuse people of being dim simply because they don't agree with you or, in your words, don't try to. Perhaps you are the dim ones because you cling so fervently to your opinions and don't even try to understand anything that challenges them! Quite similar really... Maybe you're just wind-up merchants, who knows? Watch who you're calling racist, dickbreath. And as for being dim, well mate you just leapt to the front of the queue for the post of m/b idiot, you may have to wait for iflid to get clever though. Ps; prove i'm a racist or shut the fuck up, prick. |
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Post by bostedclog on Jun 15, 2009 22:00:55 GMT
I think weve been here before somehow. |
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Post by starkiller on Jun 15, 2009 22:21:24 GMT
Whilst people continue to believe the philosophical scam and argue about left and right - not just parties but ideologies - as 'alternatives' then we'll remain under control.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2009 12:06:19 GMT
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