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Post by spitthedog on Apr 11, 2009 19:08:07 GMT
Our substitutions gave them the initiative
Up to then we were in total control
Cresswell was shocking again just handed over possession everytime he got the ball, lost his man when he should have been covering.
If you bring on shit players at this level you are likely to get stung, and that's what happened, a lost opportunity because of negative thinking
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Post by aldershotstoke on Apr 11, 2009 19:10:26 GMT
I thought Pugh did well when he came on, Kelly didn't really have many touches, but Cresswell was pretty poor granted...
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Post by french toast on Apr 11, 2009 19:11:52 GMT
unfair pwh
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 11, 2009 19:15:38 GMT
Not much alternative to Cresswell as Camara wasn't on the bench - presumably he was injured or has he gone walkabout? Cresswell certainly wasn't as effective as Beattie but we don't know what state Beattie's cut was in. I can understand TP wanting to get Beattie off to save him further possible punishment. I suppose Tonge might have been an alternative to Cresswell but his energy levels aren't quite as high.
Kelly was fine and Pugh didn't let us down - not as much pace as Etherington, of course. And Ethers had injured his knee in the first half so, again, I can see why TP wanted to get him off in case he made things worse.
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Post by aldershotstoke on Apr 11, 2009 19:17:07 GMT
Wise words again Lakeland...  |
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Post by serpico on Apr 11, 2009 19:18:59 GMT
I think he made the subs too early, I would have kept Etherington on for his pace on the counter attack, and I would have kept Beattie on until about 5 minutes to go, I hate to say it because i like Cresswell, he's as committed as they come, but when he comes on my heart sinks.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 11, 2009 19:20:14 GMT
Yeh, don't think it was anything to do with the subs, we had aleady started to back off them. Poor tactics against a poor team who were there for the taking.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 11, 2009 19:23:07 GMT
For me it was a case of the Return of the Curse of Cresswell
i thought we had abandoned him several games back, we look very average as soon as he comes on the pitch because he is so incapable of holding onto the ball, attacks break down with him and he hasn't got the pace to track back.
i would have brought anybody on but him tbh.
We were in total control until he came on.
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Post by playstoke on Apr 11, 2009 19:29:17 GMT
it was almost shocking the way in which our game dissolved when cressie came on.
i dont buy in to all the usual 'cresswell cost us' stuff, but he's definitely no where near the level of beattie and isn't good enough to hold the ball in the corners when needed.
maybe we could have done with kitson today, just a thought
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Apr 11, 2009 19:31:33 GMT
Etherington looked to be struggling with that rap he took on the knee.
Easy to be a smart arse afterwards but Beattie had a serious gash on his head and was Cresswell or a midfielder.
They had one shot on target and scored
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Post by march4 on Apr 11, 2009 19:31:49 GMT
No choice with the substitutions. Beattie was having problems with blood running into his eyes and Cresswell (unfortunately) was the only forward on the bench. This is where we miss Mama.
Pugh on and Ethers off worked fine last week.
This was never going to be an easy game, but it is another point towards safety as the other results were kind again today.
I thought their introduction of Jonas altered the shape of the game more than anything else.
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Post by baystokie on Apr 11, 2009 19:43:23 GMT
The Prem is an unforgiving place for missed chances like those by Etherington and Pugh - had they been taken, poor substitutions wouldn't have mattered.a
Also, Carroll had given an earlier warning of his heading ability a few minutes before he scored so we should have heeded the warning.
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Post by Gunslinger on Apr 11, 2009 19:51:06 GMT
For me it was a case of the Return of the Curse of Cresswell My feeling as well when he came on. Not very rational at all - just like 'The Curse Of The Yellow Away Top'. I was hoping that the Cresswell-curse would wear off as the yellow away top-curse, but obviously not... We still have a jinx to kill, I say... |
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Post by march4 on Apr 11, 2009 19:54:37 GMT
For me it was a case of the Return of the Curse of Cresswell My feeling as well when he came on. Not very rational at all - just like 'The Curse Of The Yellow Away Top'. I was hoping that the Cresswell-curse would wear off as the yellow away top-curse, but obviously not... We still have a jinx to kill, I say... Are you suggesting we kill Cresswell? That is one hell of an injury for him to run off! |
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Post by edouardlapaglie on Apr 11, 2009 19:54:43 GMT
Yeah Pulis out, lets go back to the third tier, woooooo wooooooooh!
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Post by Northy on Apr 11, 2009 19:59:45 GMT
Cresswell was poor and it shows how bare to the bones we are up front, I would have ,iked anybody to have gone up front rather than Cresswell, Stick Rory or Lawrence up there and bring Tongu on into midfield, it's just like Pompey and Chelsea gameas again, why does TP stick with this achilles heel to try and close out a game? he just isn't good enough in this league.
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Post by nickstokefc on Apr 11, 2009 20:01:16 GMT
idiots,,
how can you judge the subs,,etherington knee was bollocksed,beaties eye was affecting him by the look of him on the tv camera,s,
what else could pulis do,
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 11, 2009 20:02:01 GMT
Guitierrez changed it for them big-time. He went forwards whereas Butt, Nolan etc went back and sideways.
I wouldn't have Butt in my club for a pension. Embarrassingly bad.
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Post by stokie10 on Apr 11, 2009 20:10:20 GMT
lets put it in perspective, beattie has had 14 stitches in a gash above his eye, ethers injured his knee do you risk playing them for the full 90 mins or take them off to asses their injuries?.
we've got six games left we never looked like losing the game so pulis has decided to protect 2 key players hence cresswell and pugh coming on and we take a point.
we've gained a point on hull sunderland and blackburn not a bad outcome in my eyes we move a point closer to safety nuff said.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 11, 2009 20:12:32 GMT
We looked (as usual) as if we were playing with ten men when Cresswell came on.
A trier definitely, good enough? Never in a million years, I wish he was.
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Post by march4 on Apr 11, 2009 20:13:15 GMT
Cresswell was poor and it shows how bare to the bones we are up front, I would have ,iked anybody to have gone up front rather than Cresswell, Stick Rory or Lawrence up there and bring Tongu on into midfield, it's just like Pompey and Chelsea gameas again, why does TP stick with this achilles heel to try and close out a game? he just isn't good enough in this league. Tonge!!!! We didn't want to lose the game did we? I seriously don't think he is up to the Prem! We all know where we need to strengthen, as we won't progress if we are bringing the likes of Cresswell and Tonge on as subs. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 11, 2009 20:25:48 GMT
No choice with the substitutions. Beattie was having problems with blood running into his eyes and Cresswell (unfortunately) was the only forward on the bench. This is where we miss Mama. Pugh on and Ethers off worked fine last week. This was never going to be an easy game, but it is another point towards safety as the other results were kind again today. I thought their introduction of Jonas altered the shape of the game more than anything else. I agree with all those points - Shearer set his team up badly, Tone set us up well but the benches showed the difference between the two squads. If only we'd had Mama or Camara to bring on we'd probably have done it. |
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Post by Gunslinger on Apr 11, 2009 20:30:54 GMT
My feeling as well when he came on. Not very rational at all - just like 'The Curse Of The Yellow Away Top'. I was hoping that the Cresswell-curse would wear off as the yellow away top-curse, but obviously not... We still have a jinx to kill, I say... Are you suggesting we kill Cresswell? That is one hell of an injury for him to run off! Nah, that's dragging it too far. I would just wait until the very last second of a game we're winning and then send him on. Or don't play him at all until his contract runs out. |
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Post by Northy on Apr 11, 2009 20:31:03 GMT
idiots,, how can you judge the subs,,etherington knee was bollocksed,beaties eye was affecting him by the look of him on the tv camera,s, what else could pulis do, it's not about who went off, but who came on and where.. idiot  |
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Post by luke2u on Apr 11, 2009 20:32:08 GMT
Cresswell was poor and it shows how bare to the bones we are up front, I would have ,iked anybody to have gone up front rather than Cresswell, Stick Rory or Lawrence up there and bring Tongu on into midfield, it's just like Pompey and Chelsea gameas again, why does TP stick with this achilles heel to try and close out a game? he just isn't good enough in this league. Tonge!!!! We didn't want to lose the game did we? I seriously don't think he is up to the Prem! We all know where we need to strengthen, as we won't progress if we are bringing the likes of Cresswell and Tonge on as subs. Tonge is more up to the Prem than Cresswell!! |
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Apr 11, 2009 20:33:28 GMT
Cresswell come on for beattie quite a simple reason beattie had a nasty blow to head and and pulis too precautions to take him off and with Cresswell only being the striker on the bench. Kelly for Wilko when Wilko got booked it took the game of him didnt dare go in for a challenge. Pugh did alright anyway when he came on.
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Post by Northy on Apr 11, 2009 20:33:40 GMT
Cresswell was poor and it shows how bare to the bones we are up front, I would have ,iked anybody to have gone up front rather than Cresswell, Stick Rory or Lawrence up there and bring Tongu on into midfield, it's just like Pompey and Chelsea gameas again, why does TP stick with this achilles heel to try and close out a game? he just isn't good enough in this league. Tonge!!!! We didn't want to lose the game did we? I seriously don't think he is up to the Prem! We all know where we need to strengthen, as we won't progress if we are bringing the likes of Cresswell and Tonge on as subs. he's proved himself in the prem more than cresswell has  could have been any option apart from creswell, I had to laugh (don't cry) when he tried to knock and go past their left back towards the end, Cresswell had only been on for 5 mins and couldn't have the nosue or speed to do it against somebody wh'd been playing for 80 mins |
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 11, 2009 20:34:16 GMT
Cresswell on = points lost.
Like going down to ten men.
Any statto out there who can be arsed to back this up?
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 11, 2009 20:43:07 GMT
The negatives of Cresswell being on the pitch outweigh any positives that he brings, therefore I can never see any point in bringing him on unless there's really no other option.
Beattie may not be very quick, but his control, vision and ability to retain possession is miles ahead of what Cresswell can offer. He was brought off because a bit of blood was runing into his eyes? Listen, even if his forehead was bleeding that much that it had developed its own menstrual cycle, I'd have still kept him on ahead of introducing Cresswell.
His first contribution summed him up...a ball into the corner for him to chase, and the opportunity to quickly lay the ball off to Lawrence for us to keep possession. But no, Cressy decides to try and turn the full-back with a move so telegraphed that he might as well have written the defender a letter explaining what he was going to do. The speed with which he turned was so slow that the full-back would not only have had time to read Cresswell's message whilst smoking a pipe and enjoying a cup of Horlicks, but he'd have had time to pen a hand-written reply himself, outlining how he was going to win the ball off him.
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Post by luke2u on Apr 11, 2009 20:45:52 GMT
Cresswell on the pitch mean trouble. Pulis must be fu(ked in his head.
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could have been any option apart from creswell, I had to laugh (don't cry) when he tried to knock and go past their left back towards the end, Cresswell had only been on for 5 mins and couldn't have the nosue or speed to do it against somebody wh'd been playing for 80 mins
