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Post by sweetandinnocent on Mar 27, 2009 14:33:46 GMT
... in the Premiership, must of learnt a fair bit I would imagine? will it change his transfer target thinking if we do stay up, will we see TP go after a different type of player to use in away matches as we look to get some points on our travels i.e) quick pacey counter attacking players?
Are we expecting a change in tactics away from home next season should we stay up?
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Post by monkhousestokie on Mar 27, 2009 14:40:49 GMT
As you say F.B.S, the one thing I hope Tone learns is to be more adventurous away from home.
Seriously, what have we got to lose - the 4 points we've got so far?
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Post by barmystokie1 on Mar 27, 2009 14:49:33 GMT
I think we also need to look at getting a more adventurous left back, as much as I love Danny Higginbottom passio and never-say-die attitude I believe he should be acting cover for Ryan and Ab so a leftback can help Matty by getting down the wings to put more crosses in for Beattie to stick his head on
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Mar 27, 2009 14:51:00 GMT
4 points is not a brilliant return for the fans that have spent the wedge is it. obviously relied on our homeform this season to keep us up and bought the players to match the size of the pitch etc etc then we have struggled to get to grips with the bigger pitches away from home.
maybe we've been playing so defensive and keeping it tight away from home so we dont get a hammering that will effect the players confidence in the following home fixture?..... and overall nobody can say its not working.
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Post by vestanpance on Mar 27, 2009 14:53:36 GMT
We need another striker to play alongside Beattie.
Nicky Shorey would be useful as well, whilst you're at it.
Time to cut the apron strings of Salif Diao, Richard Cresswell, Leon Cort as well as saying bye to Dave Kitson & Tom Soares, and thanks but no thanks to Henri Camara.
Buy better, scout better, don't make "2000 phone calls" then never play them and in general take the huge positives form this year (should we stay up) and do what you always do TP...make us slightly better year by year.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 27, 2009 15:06:31 GMT
I'm sure he's learned that it doesn't matter how well we do there will always be some unreasonable, irrational twats moaning that it ain't good enough  |
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Post by redditchpotter on Mar 27, 2009 15:16:31 GMT
I don't think we can begin to guess what he has learned this season,but we can hope that he HAS learned
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Post by spartanstokie on Mar 27, 2009 15:49:04 GMT
think we had a taste of whats to come with the jan signings of ethers and beats to a degree kelly too
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2009 15:53:30 GMT
Probably best not to even try asking Arsene Wenger for any more favours over loan players
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2009 16:04:13 GMT
Probably best not to even try asking Arsene Wenger for any more favours over loan players I don't know, if he can do business with Fergie and Jose (after he called him a voyeur) he can with us surely? |
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Post by jarhead on Mar 27, 2009 18:29:17 GMT
That:
Pericard,Cresswell,Griffin,Olifinjana,Diao ARE NOT PREMIERSHIP FOOTBALLERS!!!
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 27, 2009 18:46:25 GMT
Hopefully he has learned that we need a lot more quality in the centre of the park and we need to keep possession of the ball a lot better.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 27, 2009 18:49:53 GMT
Spot on Pugs
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Post by walrus on Mar 27, 2009 18:51:37 GMT
That: Pericard,Cresswell,Griffin,Olifinjana,Diao ARE NOT PREMIERSHIP FOOTBALLERS!!! How do you know if someone who's name you can't even spell correctly is good enough to be a Premier League footballer. I'm sure you hated his goal against Arsenal. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2009 18:52:25 GMT
That: Pericard,Cresswell,Griffin,Olifinjana,Diao ARE NOT PREMIERSHIP FOOTBALLERS!!! How do you know if someone who's name you can't even spell correctly is good enough to be a Premier League footballer. I'm sure you hated his goal against Arsenal. I loved his goals against Arsenal and Everton. He's still wank though. |
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 27, 2009 19:21:37 GMT
His best lesson is that he's learned to tap into the seige mentality of the fans and he's milking it to the full. For that, he deserves a pat on the back.
OS.
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Post by banburypotter on Mar 27, 2009 19:27:04 GMT
hopefully has learnt that we have to turn up for a first half at away games. And it has to start at the baggies next saturday  |
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Post by Janet in ST5 on Mar 27, 2009 19:54:38 GMT
In answer to the question, the fans are noisy if you give them something to shout about!
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Mar 27, 2009 20:28:07 GMT
R.E. our away tactics, is it a coincidence that Aston Villa have won more games away from home than they have at home?
no imo, home teams are expected to attack at home, the thing is that Aston Villa have the correct type of player to play an effective counter attacking game, they use Ashley Young & Gabby Agbonlahor to great effect, they also have a solid centrel midfield.
Yes, we cannot afford to go out and spend the type of money to bring in the readymade premiership quality of Young, Agbonlahor and Barry, but there will be alternatives available in the transfer window either here or abroad, these are the type of players we need to be looking for in the transfer window imo, players that have the same sort of qualities. Afterall they got Young from the championship, its really not an impossible task to find the correct players in the same sort of mould as those above if you search hard enough.
For all we know this Rudolph Austin could turn out to be the next Gareth Barry.
IMO TP could do far worse than get some DVDs of the Aston Villa away matches and have a good watch before the transfer window opens, because lets face it that tactic of fast counter attacking football what A Villa play away from home is really effective, and thats for A Villa, now, just imagine that we managed to sort of replicate our style away from home to theirs - it could be really effective for us as home teams and supporters will be expecting to beat Stoke City at home so will attack us, but if we have simalar style players to A Villa's and played with he same sort of style, it could be a massive advantage as we catch them on the beak. If we can get the right type of players in to do half as well away from home next season as they have done this season, plus keep our home a 'Fortress' we will be onto a winner.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Mar 27, 2009 21:30:38 GMT
That Arsehole Whinger is an arrogant tosspot.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Mar 27, 2009 22:29:22 GMT
That Arsehole Whinger is an arrogant tosspot. Yup! He won't be so arrogant on the last game of the season he's gonna get some shit  |
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Post by Matthews dad on Mar 27, 2009 22:33:32 GMT
Dunner listen to anyone on messageboards, they'll have you signing all sorts of shit.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Mar 27, 2009 22:39:17 GMT
... in the Premiership, must of learnt a fair bit I would imagine? will it change his transfer target thinking if we do stay up, will we see TP go after a different type of player to use in away matches as we look to get some points on our travels i.e) quick pacey counter attacking players? Are we expecting a change in tactics away from home next season should we stay up? He has got a good squad but needs o improve it if we are to get more away points and he also needs to be more confidence in the ability of his own players who have proved that they will play for him and give 100% for the cause. Next season could be hard...but not as hard as a season in the Championship would be. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2009 22:51:56 GMT
I am sure he has learned that possession of the ball will actually help defensively as much as in attack, and that it's hard to defend for 90 mins away from home vs quality Premiership teams and players. I am sure he has also learned that a different class of player is required if this kind of play is to be achieved and will shop accordingly. I am sure we will still be big and strong (no problem there) but will have more pace and quality in each area of the park.
We still have to stay up yet though (although I am quietly confident that we can)!
Go down and it's Soares & Tonge somewhere in midfield and Leon and Sonko at center back!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 27, 2009 23:55:24 GMT
I think that he has probably learned that:
You can please some of the people all of the time
You can please all of the people some of the time
But you can never,
Please all of the people all of the time.
Not trying to be a 'smart arse' but it's no easy business this Premier League Management stuff but I bet he's loving it all the same.
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Post by redditchpotter on Mar 28, 2009 12:13:51 GMT
I think that he has probably learned that: You can please some of the people all of the time You can please all of the people some of the time But you can never, Please all of the people all of the time. Not trying to be a 'smart arse' but it's no easy business this Premier League Management stuff but I bet he's loving it all the same. not trying to be a smart arse but I think you'll find the quote is you can fool some of the people most of the time you can fool most of the people some of the time etc. ;D |
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 28, 2009 12:24:54 GMT
I think that he has probably learned that: You can please some of the people all of the time You can please all of the people some of the time But you can never, Please all of the people all of the time. Not trying to be a 'smart arse' but it's no easy business this Premier League Management stuff but I bet he's loving it all the same. not trying to be a smart arse but I think you'll find the quote is you can fool some of the people most of the time you can fool most of the people some of the time etc. ;D Not trying to be a smart arse but the question was what has TP learnt in this first season and that was his opinion. If the question was can you re-quote word for word some old Abraham Lincoln quote then of course you would have been correct  |
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 28, 2009 15:23:53 GMT
Pulis will make signings that are better than what we have, its not rocket science. Sometimes he gets it wrong but more often than not it will improve the side.
We wasted a number of games this season getting used to the prem and pretty much being in transition.
Next season if we stay up thats got to be worth 6-7 points and the better players will hopefully see us finishing mid table.
Im getting the words counting and chickens by the way! (these int breaks eh!!!)
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 28, 2009 15:31:16 GMT
Hopefully he has learned that we need a lot more quality in the centre of the park and we need to keep possession of the ball a lot better. Can't disagree with that. Some of our players look absolutely terrified when they're on the ball and are desperate to just get rid of it as soon as possible. |
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Post by Bick on Mar 28, 2009 15:48:38 GMT
I think he will have realise that more quality is needed, but not sure how much his tactics will change.
After all those tactics got us up (and please god) kept us up!
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