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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 14, 2009 20:21:01 GMT
Why doesn't he play his best flipping team from the start! Every stoke fan to day were standing there in amazement at Pulis's team selection. Here we are wanting points and this idiot leaves the two most creative players on the bench.
Has pulis learned from his mistakes against Villa? Has he fuck!!!
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Post by goodjobson on Mar 14, 2009 20:26:57 GMT
I do wonder why we need to ship two goals before we start playing to be honest.
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Mar 14, 2009 20:28:16 GMT
Maybe he wants Etherington and Fuller to be impact players for us.
I can see the reasons for bringing Fuller on with 30 minutes left but Etherington really needs to start
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 14, 2009 20:35:22 GMT
Pulis is playing a dangerous game tbh...we seem always to come back fighting after the break, but why do we need to continually be coming back. He is leaving it very late to start mixing up our away formation so i fear we're stuck with this mindset for the remainder of the season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 20:36:06 GMT
Wanting 2 of our best players to be impact players is madness! We need our best players from the get go. We don't have the luxury of keeping 2 of our best players on the bench. As soon as they scored both should've come on, both should've started but that's a different story!
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 14, 2009 20:40:30 GMT
Maybe he wants Etherington and Fuller to be impact players for us. I can see the reasons for bringing Fuller on with 30 minutes left but Etherington really needs to start Well its alot of use bringing on 2 impact players when you are two or three down by half time. The bloke has lost the plot! In the sencond half Stoke looked like a team worthy of a mid table postition. In the first half they looked like a shower of shight. But it was all to late by then
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Post by Northy on Mar 14, 2009 20:48:17 GMT
Maybe he wants Etherington and Fuller to be impact players for us. I can see the reasons for bringing Fuller on with 30 minutes left but Etherington really needs to start Impact players for 30 minutes or 90 minutes? mmm let me think, so that's a combined 120 minutes leaving our 2 most creative and dangerous players scratting their arses on the bench, it's madness I tell ya, it's madness
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Post by towraytek on Mar 14, 2009 21:20:45 GMT
I saw the match in full on the telly in a pub and TP looked as pist off with the way we sat back and defended in the first half as anyone. It wasnt too defensive an opening line up. We got pasted mostly because man for man they were better than we were and the two first half goals were down to pizz poor defending and equally poor goalkeeping.
Still, if you do what you always do, you get what you always get, so why not put the likes of Fuller out from the off?
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Post by evans1863 on Mar 14, 2009 21:23:30 GMT
And we all thought he'd learned from his mistakes after the Villa game . I dont have coaching badges, I dont see the players every day in training, so I'm just hazarding a guess here, but wouldnt we do slightly better away from home if we didnt give our opponents a two goal head start? (In some cases 3) One for Tone to ponder.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Mar 14, 2009 21:24:59 GMT
Wanting 2 of our best players to be impact players is madness! We need our best players from the get go. We don't have the luxury of keeping 2 of our best players on the bench. As soon as they scored both should've come on, both should've started but that's a different story! You normally talk sense bayern, do you seriously think that ethers after not playing a competitive game for a month is fit to start. We have also heard that fuller is still in trouble with the shoulder so it has to be the right decision
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 14, 2009 21:31:10 GMT
So when will be the right time to make these right decisions? In few games time when its to late. A 25% fit Etherington is better than Salif. And a Fuller with a broken arm or even dare I say a broken leg is more use than big Mama at the moment.
By the way Camera looked shit in the 10 minutes he was on.
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Post by evhstokie on Mar 14, 2009 21:32:05 GMT
it was clear that the players didnt close them down enough. Tone can only do so much from the touchline thats why he couldnt wait for halftime. Well done for the teamtalk at halftime Tone made a big difference. I respect you 100%.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2009 21:35:05 GMT
TP looked as pist off with the way we sat back and defended in the first half as anyone. I have to say I'm really struggling with this. It's too much of a coincidence that the whole midfield collectively decided to sit so deep in the first half and then all collectively moved ten yards further up the pitch in the second half. It seemed to me that they followed orders pretty much bang on from the beginning to the end of the match.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 14, 2009 21:35:45 GMT
good grief
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Post by evans1863 on Mar 14, 2009 21:36:10 GMT
He does it every week though! He never leanrs and thats the frustrating thing!
Bolton 2-0 down ht (or had it got to three) Blackburn 3-0 down half-time Caslte 2-0 down half-time Boro 1-0 down half-time Everton 2-0 down half-time Man City 1(2?)-0 hafl-time Manure 2-0 down half-time Villa 1-0 down half-time Spurs 3-0 down half-time.
HE NEVER LEARNS!
Give it a go FFS Tone or else we'll never win, like I said above we cant win games after you gift the opposition a comfortable lead!
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 14, 2009 21:40:25 GMT
Wanting 2 of our best players to be impact players is madness! We need our best players from the get go. We don't have the luxury of keeping 2 of our best players on the bench. As soon as they scored both should've come on, both should've started but that's a different story! You normally talk sense bayern, do you seriously think that ethers after not playing a competitive game for a month is fit to start. We have also heard that fuller is still in trouble with the shoulder so it has to be the right decision Valid points, jsu. That's exactly what Pulis argued, post-match. www.stokecityfc.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10310~1590646,00.html But, even if you take Pulis at his word, I would have thought we needed 1 of the front 4 to have the ability to stretch the opposition and give us that dimension and not consider that as an afterthought for the last 30 minutes. If Camara has any kind of role at the club, filling in for Fuller in performing that role in away games from the off, must be it. I thought that's why he'd been brought in. He's been quiet so far, poor even. But surely it's too early to write him off when he's the only player who is capable of doing a decent impression of Fuller. If Fuller's the supersub, does that make Camara the superSUPERsub? It'd be disappointing if he went the same way as Kelly as a very expensive permanent fixture on the bench. Between them, they'll be costing us well over £1m for the square root of sod all. Mama has nowhere near the same impact away from home as the games tend to take on a completely different pattern and we need different things. As for Etherington, if there were legitimate doubts about his match fitness after 4 weeks out, why not give him an hour in the reserves on Monday?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2009 21:44:37 GMT
;D
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 14, 2009 21:44:38 GMT
What has Etherington been doing for the last 4 weeks ....He is a professional footballer, he should be fit.
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Post by henry on Mar 14, 2009 22:00:47 GMT
i find it difficult to believe that etherington is considered a worse option than delap, mama (who's been piss poor since his return) is more of a goal threat than fuller / camara, and diao is still a country mile ahead of amdy.
it all stinks of pulis picking his favorites.
what next, the return of cresswell.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Mar 14, 2009 22:10:45 GMT
What has Etherington been doing for the last 4 weeks ....He is a professional footballer, he should be fit. Match fit not just fit
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Mar 14, 2009 22:16:11 GMT
You normally talk sense bayern, do you seriously think that ethers after not playing a competitive game for a month is fit to start. We have also heard that fuller is still in trouble with the shoulder so it has to be the right decision Valid points, jsu. That's exactly what Pulis argued, post-match. www.stokecityfc.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10310~1590646,00.html But, even if you take Pulis at his word, I would have thought we needed 1 of the front 4 to have the ability to stretch the opposition and give us that dimension and not consider that as an afterthought for the last 30 minutes. If Camara has any kind of role at the club, filling in for Fuller in performing that role in away games from the off, must be it. I thought that's why he'd been brought in. He's been quiet so far, poor even. But surely it's too early to write him off when he's the only player who is capable of doing a decent impression of Fuller. If Fuller's the supersub, does that make Camara the superSUPERsub? It'd be disappointing if he went the same way as Kelly as a very expensive permanent fixture on the bench. Between them, they'll be costing us well over £1m for the square root of sod all. Mama has nowhere near the same impact away from home as the games tend to take on a completely different pattern and we need different things. As for Etherington, if there were legitimate doubts about his match fitness after 4 weeks out, why not give him an hour in the reserves on Monday? Valid points too FM I would like us to be more attacking away from home as well particularly as when we do so we seem to cause the opposition more problems than they cause us. That said I think TP has got a problem with us getting turned over by a big number somewhere and the effect that might have on the squad. Its only happened once at Man U which i think is an achievement in itself I think we are all forgetting where we have come from and what standard we are now playing at. I think he needs to get through this season, stay up and we will see something a bit different next season. Going back to my previous point though I suppose Delap coming straight back after his suspension after not playing for a similar period does undermine TP's argument somewhat
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Mar 15, 2009 9:15:23 GMT
With no Ethers or Fuller in the team we have a severe lack of pace. These 2 are massive players for us especially away from home.
Id drop Mama and play Beattie and Fuller up top. Id also consider dropping Lawrence for Ethers. Diao does my head in too. First half he was terrible but picked up in the second half. Id consider giving Amdy Faye a game instead of Diao.
Its frustrating how Pulis doesnt play his best team until we are losing.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 15, 2009 9:21:11 GMT
What has Etherington been doing for the last 4 weeks ....He is a professional footballer, he should be fit. Match fit not just fit Was Mama match fit when he returned?Same goes with Diao.Stinks of favouritism.
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Post by lancer on Mar 15, 2009 9:33:42 GMT
Must admit I resorted to expletives when I heard the team to start. I just can't get my head around this 'impact player' stuff. We should be starting with Fuller. He is likely to get us a goal early, then if needs be, he can be taken off. The argument that Ethers is not match fit is hard to accept. Mama came back after a long lay off, and was played before he could possibly be match fit. All the players have had a lay of of ten day due to the cup games , but surely they have kept themselves fit. It's not as though Ethers has been off for a couple of months with an injury.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 15, 2009 9:38:08 GMT
I'm as annoyed as anyone about the first half, and I too would have started with one if not both of Fuller and Ethers.
But has anoyone considered the possibility that he didn't feel it right to change a winning team? One that gained us our biggest Premier League victory with a very good performance? Consider morale.
Also, starting with Ric on the bench for these past few games could just keep us up. Pulis has sent out a message to the squad that nobody's place in the team is safe and Fuller is usually at his best when he has to fight for his place. I expect a very positive reaction in his first start, hopefully against Boro.
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Post by stokemark on Mar 15, 2009 9:42:54 GMT
Homzy
The winning team you talk about was really only firing on all cylanders when Mama and Diao were taken off !
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Post by Homzy on Mar 15, 2009 9:45:02 GMT
Fair point I suppose, but I can understand him starting with the same team. I definitely wouldn't have though! He did get all three subs spot on again....he's learning!
Incidentally I thought Diao had a far better game yesterday. Delap was terrible IMO.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 15, 2009 9:47:18 GMT
Homzy I have to disagree about Diao. It wasn't so much that he did anything very wrong its just that Whelan never seems to feel confident enough to get forward like he does when he has lil Faye behind him.
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Post by YarnfieldStokie on Mar 15, 2009 9:49:57 GMT
I know why he did it today. The same 11 that won against Bolton. He is wrong but I know why he did it. We look a different side with Etherington playing whether its Rory or Liam that gives way would depend on who we were playing. I also think Camara needs a start if Riccy really is only capable of half an hour cos Mama looks well off the pace. I actually think we will stay up on our home form but we have nothing to lose from giving it a go away from home especially in the games against The Baggies and Dull!! Cmon Tone take off the stubborn hat!!!
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 15, 2009 9:55:38 GMT
The changes Pulis should make for next week should be as follows.
Sorenson out. He's starting to blunder a bit to often and needs a rest.
Diao out for Tonge
Delap out for Etherington but should come on as sub for the 30 mins
Mama out for Fuller. Bring mama on when Delap is introduced
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