Willard
Youth Player
Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you were goin' all the way.
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Post by Willard on Mar 14, 2009 15:27:44 GMT
Everton sound dangerous.... Tommy S not having a good game... It's not looking good folks  Hold out 2 - 0 until half time then some serious team talk needed. We live in hope!!! |
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Post by happydays on Mar 14, 2009 15:29:58 GMT
Get a goal and we are back in this...but we dont look like scoring a goal.
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Post by sutekh on Mar 14, 2009 15:31:44 GMT
Thing is it's always "one of those days" when we play away is'nt it.  |
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southernstokie89
Academy Starlet
"When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story." -Barney Stinson
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Post by southernstokie89 on Mar 14, 2009 15:34:15 GMT
Hold out 2 - 0 until half time then some serious team talk needed. We live in hope!!! totally agree, we've got something out of the game from 2-0 down before , it amazes me how quickly some people forget that! come ooooon stoke! |
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Willard
Youth Player
Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you were goin' all the way.
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Post by Willard on Mar 14, 2009 15:35:01 GMT
It was one of those days against Newcastle & Villa away...look what happend  This is deffo our hardest game in a long time by any shout, just hope we salvage something, were not playing badly! |
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Post by Winge on Mar 14, 2009 15:36:57 GMT
Stop kidding ourselves..... just face it we have got to hope our home form keeps us up as we aint goin to win away this season!!
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Willard
Youth Player
Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you were goin' all the way.
Posts: 257
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Post by Willard on Mar 14, 2009 15:38:11 GMT
It will...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 15:38:38 GMT
Another one of those days where we've given the home team a head start! ;D  |
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Post by stokelad84 on Mar 14, 2009 16:12:28 GMT
They are a top 6 club for a reason, they are a ahrd team to beat!!!
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Post by onebollockbarry on Mar 14, 2009 16:14:02 GMT
Sounds like one of those days every away game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 16:14:09 GMT
That's true but we don't half make it harder for ourselves!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 14, 2009 16:23:44 GMT
The only reason we give the home team a head start is that we're not a very good side.
Let's face it, if we'd set out to attack we might have been 3 or 4 down at half time with NO chance of coming back.
He sets his team out to get to half time level (but we're not good enough) and then hopes to get something second half.
I, for one, think his tactics are correct (Just a shame were not a little better)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 16:26:31 GMT
Are You taking the piss? Drawing 4 games away from home shows his away tactics are at best shit!
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Post by Baggs on Mar 14, 2009 16:27:14 GMT
we need to fuck diao off sharpish. he's fucking wank.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 14, 2009 16:33:06 GMT
bayern:
No I'm not!
We are one of the worst 3 or 4 teams in this league, TPs tactics of trying to reach half time in contention is, in my view, the correct tactics. We then hope to take something second half.
You pay no heed to the opposition at all and yet, they are almost all better than us.
Your only cry EVERY FUCKING GAME, is TPs tactics/team selection are shit.
Perhaps he should seek your advice on how to keep us in this league.
Fuckin Moan, Moan, Moan every fuckin away game
GIVE IT A REST!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 16:37:18 GMT
Yeah, its just me that thinks we're wank at away games! ;D They are hard games but the way we go 2/3 down without trying is really frustrating. And yes it usually starts with TP making a hash of the starting XI. You are trying to defend the undefensible this season and that is the away performance.
We need to play at a high tempo and cling on for dear life, its obvious! Just as Beattie and Mama up front not working and Diao playing cack. The away form, tactics and performances on the whole have been shit and it is undefendable. The results show that.
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Post by Baggs on Mar 14, 2009 16:41:08 GMT
higgy has been similarly gash today
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 14, 2009 16:43:07 GMT
How many times!
Our poor away performances centre on the fact that most of the teams we play are BETTER than us and put us under pressure on their own ground. We haven't been GOOD ENOUGH to keep them out but that has been the plan.
Short of having several better players than we've got, we're stuck with it.
I know you'd love us to 'go for it' away from home but I guarantee you we wouldn't be sitting on 29 points now if we had.
By the way, were doing OK today. Or are Everton shit as well.
We should be hammering these sides shouldn't we?
As for your comment 'The results show that'. Bullshit
The results show we are one ogf the weaker teams in the division (which we are).
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Post by Baggs on Mar 14, 2009 16:46:25 GMT
wilko on the other hand has played very well. goaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrn lads big last 10
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 16:48:04 GMT
I don't want us to go for it away from home at all! Just mix it up a bit and look interested. The away games I've seen we've looked lacklustre and like we know we're already beat.
And I don't expect us to win today but going a few goals down in quick time has happened too many times this season for it to be "one of those things". Yet going off that, the home results show we're one of the better teams! We're a better team than You and a lot of the experts give credit too imo.
I just want to see our best team starting, us not letting 2/3 in the first half which we've done all season and us actually winning a sodding away game. Because if we don't we go down imo.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 14, 2009 16:53:35 GMT
We are a good home team because the opposition give us more respect on our own pitch and we get the chance to play more.
When we go away they ALL expect to beat us and put us under relentless pressure which we have, so far, failed to cope with.
We,ve been trying to do something this second half and Everton have just sealed the game 3-1.
Face it Bayern, our problems revolve around a lack of real quality.
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Post by french toast on Mar 14, 2009 16:55:32 GMT
We are a good home team because the opposition give us more respect on our own pitch and we get the chance to play more. When we go away they ALL expect to beat us and put us under relentless pressure which we have, so far, failed to cope with. We,ve been trying to do something this second half and Everton have just sealed the game 3-1. Face it Bayern, our problems revolve around a lack of real quality. so please inform me how when we go a goal down and start to play we are more dominent than the home team??? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 16:58:02 GMT
I don't think they do. Our problems lye around TP not changing our tactics away from home. We go away pull our pants down and take a length without even trying. Today we didn't start with our best team-why? It makes no sense. I never expected us to win today, I never expected us to draw but I did hope we'd start with our better players and not do the same old thing of going a couple down before half time.
And I could take these beatings if we had looked like we were going to try and change what we do but we haven't. We have let it happen and its crap!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 14, 2009 17:09:34 GMT
Stokie 1000:
The answer is obvious. Everton thought they'd won the game at half time and eased off (hence the half time substitutions).
We then get the chance to press a bit more and rattle them.
Third goal killed it.
Beat 3-1 by a much better team. Accept it!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 17:11:21 GMT
I accept they're a better team but the way we go about away games is shocking. I expected nothing bar a defeat today but that team selection just made the game harder for ourselves and it showed!
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Post by magicmanfuller on Mar 14, 2009 17:15:27 GMT
I accept they're a better team but the way we go about away games is shocking. I expected nothing bar a defeat today but that team selection just made the game harder for ourselves and it showed! exactly. are two most creative players left sitting on the bence. fuller should never be on the bench for us its a joke you can more or less garentee mama wont do a thing in an away game and when he plays we always resort to the hoof |
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Post by french toast on Mar 14, 2009 17:18:36 GMT
Stokie 1000: The answer is obvious. Everton thought they'd won the game at half time and eased off (hence the half time substitutions). We then get the chance to press a bit more and rattle them. Third goal killed it. Beat 3-1 by a much better team. Accept it! your a dick!! i do accept we lost to a better team and didnt accept anything other than a loss, the point is you say that we aint got the quality to stay up, and i disagree with you hence my point about away games!! everyteam knows that away from home in the second half we have a go, so moyes wouldnt be as nieve as you are saying!!! your a tool accept that!!! |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 9:35:05 GMT
Stokie 1000:
Thanks for childish retort!
Where have I EVER said we're not good enough to stay up????????????
What I have said if you look at this, and several other threads, is that our defenders (Higgy and Wilco in particular) are poor passers of the ball. Our 2 CM players arn't much better in their distribution and, in the Everton game, Mama didn't hold the ball up as well as he can. That means that we give the ball away all the time and it comes back at the defence in wave after wave. In those circumstances, defenders make mistakes as they are constantly under pressure and we conceed goals. Add to that, our goalkeeper (who has been very good this season) made a couple of howlers and THAT IS THE REASON WE WERE 2 GOALS DOWN. You lot are forever looking at TP's tactics for the reasons for defeat rather than accepting that, against better sides, we will struggle because our defending/distribution and ball retension are poor. The fact is; IF we could pass the ball to our own players and retain possession for more than 10 seconds at a time his tactics would be perfectly valid. We'd get to half time in contention and then bring on Fuller/Etherington to run at the opposition and get better results. It doesn't work because of our lack of quality NOT a failing in our tactics.
In recent games we have 'had a go' second half as you say because we have to as we are 2 goals down but Pulis would have always sent them out to 'have a go' second half but he would have hoped that we were level at least. Midfield/Defensive errors have cost us because, as I stated earlier...
We lack quality.
That doesn't mean we won't stay up and I believe we will because our home form will keep us up. We get more opportunity to pay at home because teams give us more respect at the Brit and we don't get put under the same pressure.
I was going to call you a childish little twat at the end of my post but I won't as I'm a grown up!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 9:41:41 GMT
Just what the hell was up with Tommy yesterday...just watched the goals again on SSN and the first 2 goal were a disaster. One mistake is normally forgivable but there were quite a few from the normaly sound Tommy. Just hope that is all of them out the way now.
Bring on the Boro!!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 10:00:33 GMT
Yeh, difficult to criticise him Barry as he's been good all season.
Trouble is when your goalie cocks up, it invariably costs you.
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