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Post by walrus on Feb 18, 2009 19:54:51 GMT
Are you for it or against it?
Personally, I'm against it. The goal-line incidents provide us with a lot of entertainment and talking points after games, yes it's gutting when one goes against you but I believe in time they all balance out.
People call for it after goals like the phantom goal at Watford v Reading are given, but that was a one-off freak incident, there are no calls to ban tackles after injuries like the one to Eduardo.
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Post by Carrot on Feb 18, 2009 19:55:47 GMT
Ask me again if we concede a goal that never was and I will let you know
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Post by Miniman on Feb 18, 2009 19:57:29 GMT
That was just late though so that was a really rare instance aswell i'm for goal-line technology as it improves the game and ensures that goals are given correctly, meaning if a team doesn't go down due to a missed goal, then it is not able to appeal etc. and the game is more perfect ;D Like rugby uses the big screen and other ref(s) to decide on decision
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Post by walrus on Feb 18, 2009 20:02:14 GMT
Rolf, when was the last time we actually did concede a dubious goal in this way, I can't think of one in the last few years.
Miniman, doesn't the subjective and imperfect nature of the game make it more enjoyable? If we start with goal-line technology to make the game more ''perfect'', it could soon become a situation where we had video referees for every decision, points awarded on appeal etc.
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Post by Miniman on Feb 18, 2009 20:05:04 GMT
Yes but then i can brag how we really deserved a draw or victory rather than have glory hunters say, you never deserved it, Stoke are rubbish (I'll be banned for just saying someone said something along those lines ;D ) but I agree does make it more enjoyable on occasion when there is a mystery about certain goals.
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Post by Carrot on Feb 18, 2009 20:08:36 GMT
Rolf, when was the last time we actually did concede a dubious goal in this way, I can't think of one in the last few years. Miniman, doesn't the subjective and imperfect nature of the game make it more enjoyable? If we start with goal-line technology to make the game more ''perfect'', it could soon become a situation where we had video referees for every decision, points awarded on appeal etc. True, we haven't *touch wood* but I was just using us as an example because if we did, you can guarantee that virtually everyone would be calling for goal-line technology. I'm personally in for it and to be honest, if it isn't a goal, it isn't a goal and if this goal-line technology helps us to identify that then fair enough. I see what you're saying though about video refs for every decision but maybe there could be a less-glorified version of Wimbledon where each team gets one video referee decision per game for example. just a thought ;D
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Post by walrus on Feb 18, 2009 20:14:43 GMT
The idea of a challenge system is a interesting one, though there are only certain types of decision that could be assessed in this way, such as offside decisions. No free-kicks/penalties or red cards could be looked at in this way, as these decisions are alays going to be subjective, and to overule them would undermine the authority of the referee.
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 18, 2009 20:16:23 GMT
goal-line technology would make the most important aspect of the games (goals) undisputable, so that must be right. We can't have poor decisions impacting so crucially on league positions. However, other decisions should be left to judgment on the part of the officials (said through gritted teeth) or the game would become so rigid it would be unwatchable.
Goals are the pinnacle of victory or defeat and should never be left to 'balance of probability' proof...though those calls are few and far between, luckily.
I reckon if it ever happened it would be in a similar manner of computer technology used in calling balls at Wimbledon, with those slo-mo shaded graphics of where the ball landed. could be used to call offside goals, too.
Good question, actually
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 18, 2009 20:29:15 GMT
Rolf, when was the last time we actually did concede a dubious goal in this way, I can't think of one in the last few years. I can't remember conceding a dubious goal in recent years, but we have had a couple disallowed: Derby away (Hannes Sigurdsson?) and Gillingham at home (Asaba) four or five years ago are two off the top of my head.
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Feb 18, 2009 20:33:58 GMT
against it would take the extra kick out of football. I mean imagine at stoke they stop the game because they need to look a screen to see if that was a goal there would be no booing amtmosphere because everything is sorted out by that. I'd rather not.
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 18, 2009 20:42:46 GMT
If the technology used would mean stopping the game (video replay / Hawkeye), then I don't think I'd like to see that. However if there is technology that can reliably and accurately detect the position of the ball, and which would automatically signal when the ball crosses the line, then I'd be in favour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 21:09:01 GMT
Personally, I'm against it. The goal-line incidents provide us with a lot of entertainment and talking points after games, yes it's gutting when one goes against you but I believe in time they all balance out. totally agree mate. football is all about talking points, like goals that aren't given, and other errors that are made by the ref. i admit, i'm never happy when decisions go against us, but it gives us stuff to talk about in the pub after the match, and if we introduce all this technology, then it will take that away. what will we talk about. it will lead to football being boring. and technology will spread to all aspects of the game, which will totally ruin it.
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Post by crimesy on Feb 18, 2009 21:25:01 GMT
The totanham one against the Shit was the goal that really made me think perhaps we should. But that phantom goal at Watford was a talking point for months and was great ammo for when my uncle (a watford fanatic) came up at christmas. ;D
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 18, 2009 21:41:17 GMT
I've always thought "no", because, as mentioned, the imperfect nature of the game makes it even more enjoyable, and is one of the last things we have left before football becomes completely sanitised and sterile.
However, the sheer amount of money now involved means that it probably should be introduced. If we were relegated on the last day of the season because of a dodgy goal, this could turn out to be holocaust 2 and another 23 years before a Stoke side reaches the top-flight.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 18, 2009 21:44:04 GMT
You cant blame officials on gal line stuff but never mind technology a pair of specs would do some of these nob end refs a bit of good
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Post by luke45 on Feb 18, 2009 21:48:39 GMT
If the technology used would mean stopping the game (video replay / Hawkeye), then I don't think I'd like to see that. However if there is technology that can reliably and accurately detect the position of the ball, and which would automatically signal when the ball crosses the line, then I'd be in favour. Agreed. I'd hate the thought of having to stare at a big screen, waiting for it too say ' goal ' or ' no goal '
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Feb 18, 2009 23:26:42 GMT
excatly luke45 it would take the buzz out of scoring everone would just give a little cheer and clap.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 19, 2009 1:24:26 GMT
Goal line technology should be investigated BUT how would it work? When is play stopped to look at the monitor? If you wait for the next break in play that next break could be when the defending team has broken upfield and scored.
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Post by Ron Jeremy on Feb 19, 2009 1:28:06 GMT
Yes we should ahve t, also their should be no referee, jus 5 refs/judges sitting alognside the pitch watching the game on tele's and asoon as a incident happent ehy watch the replays and giv the proper decision. This would be great dont you think
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 19, 2009 1:29:30 GMT
WHY NOT ALLOW THE FOURTH OFFICIAL DECIDE AND ALLOW PLAY TO CONTINUE...IF THE OPPOSING TEAM THEN SCORE A GOAL UP THE OTHER END THEN YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME BY ALLOWING IT OR NOT.
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 19, 2009 9:01:02 GMT
I'm no expert on these things, but there must technology available in this day and age that allows the ref to know immediately whether or not the ball has crossed the line. The video / Hawkeye option is a non-starter, which we shouldn't even be discussing IMHO.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 19, 2009 9:13:51 GMT
Nike have apparently developed a ball with a chip inside that works with a similar system to the Wimbledon magic eye. Won't stop games at all-was rejected by FIFA for the World Cup as not properly tested.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 19, 2009 9:19:25 GMT
I'm sure we'll soon have technology to allow the ref to know (by a beep) if/when the ball crosses the goal line. I don't see how anyone can object to that. Beyond that, most incidents would require a stoppage of play to allow the technology to be used during the game and I wouldn't welcome that. Obviously it would be tempting to use technology for offside decisions but so long as the rules let the ref decide if the player was "active" I don't see how technology could usefully be used. To be honest I preferred the original offside rule - at least it was understood by the officials.
What I would like to see is the system used in rugby where a team can "cite" an opponent after the game so a video panel could consider things like violent conduct or diving which was missed by the ref. Perhaps each team could be confined to no more than three challenges after a game. For all blatant diving I'd like to see a retrospective red card and where a goal (free kick or penalty) resulted from the dive then the ban should be for 6 matches . I honestly believe that diving is ruining the game and that includes Ricci Fuller on occasions. Unless the authorities clamp down on it hard the game is going to go downhill fast.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 19, 2009 10:09:41 GMT
Fuck talking points. If a ball has crossed the line then it's a goal... the holy grail of any game of football.
If the ball crosses the line a red light behind the goal could flash.
I can think of at least five instances, off the top of my head, where Stoke have been robbed of a goal when the ball really did appear to cross the line. The most recent of these came last season in the 3-1 home defeat to Coventry.
In this day and age there is no excuse for not using technology (on this ONE issue) when it exists. There is too much at stake for it not to be used.
For one, it would prevent pussy referees from giving the top clubs the unending benefit of the doubt whenever it happens.
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Post by ManderBeast on Feb 19, 2009 10:48:14 GMT
im all for it squire, its an area that needs to be sured up...
it cann be so detrimental to teams in finacially gaining situations like Automatic Promotion or Play offs.... European competition & even onn the biggest stage, International....
Just far too much rides on every goal decision these days.... every official needs to be 100% certain....
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 19, 2009 11:02:51 GMT
Not if the apparent Nike technology is introduced Joe. The ref or assistant would know straight away if the ball was over the line.
We had an incident at Sunderland just last week- went in our favour that time.
Can remember Brazil beating Spain in the World Cup 1-0. Spain had a shot well over the line, play off final when Wigan were beaten, the same. Games like that with so much at stake should have technology available to make sure these things don't happen.
One team even won a World Cup with a 'goal' that never was.
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Post by wembley4372 on Feb 19, 2009 11:03:02 GMT
Why stop there.
Have a fifth official in the stands with the technology at his fingertips. Bring play back and cancel whatever has happened apart from bookings/sendings off directly related to the incident.
Thousands of people managed to see Rooney and Ronaldo commit red card offences at the Brit apart from the one that really mattered who may have chosen not to see it.
How good would it have been for the play to be stopped a few moments later and them then sent off. The cheer would have been as good as a goal!
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Post by Bick on Feb 19, 2009 15:31:50 GMT
part of the fun of football is the mistakes by officials and the talk points after.
AGAINST IT.
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Post by walrus on Feb 19, 2009 15:45:37 GMT
Why stop there. Have a fifth official in the stands with the technology at his fingertips. Bring play back and cancel whatever has happened apart from bookings/sendings off directly related to the incident. Thousands of people managed to see Rooney and Ronaldo commit red card offences at the Brit apart from the one that really mattered who may have chosen not to see it. How good would it have been for the play to be stopped a few moments later and them then sent off. The cheer would have been as good as a goal! It seems you're in a very small minority in thinking that. The fluency of football is a large part in making it the enjoyable spectacle that it is, and having continuous pauses for video referee decisions would disrupt it and seriously decrease the enjoyment of the game for the spectator IMO.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 19, 2009 15:54:42 GMT
Wouldn't want video replays stopping games to be fair. Perhaps a phone vote for live Sky games.
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