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Post by Northy on Feb 3, 2009 13:00:07 GMT
The first two posts on this thread remind me of that film................................................................................................................. Dumb and Dumber ;D ;D I just nearly splatted my Jalfreizi over my desk
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Post by luke45 on Feb 3, 2009 13:00:34 GMT
50% of the money Mr Pulis has spent this season as been wasted. Fact! 100% of what you say is repetitive attention seeking nonsense. Fact!
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Post by stokecity4life on Feb 3, 2009 13:06:48 GMT
He got sent off during the Manchester game which in turn cost us a point, he gives away to many free kicks and gets booked to often. Outstanding my arse. I honestly wish you would just fuck off.
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Post by bogus on Feb 3, 2009 13:07:10 GMT
They were mainly squad fillers in the last window, it's patently obvious, and it certainly could be argued that they have all contributed to our 24pts total in some way. A total that could have been far worse without them.
9 out of 10 on here were saying that we had, at best, 3-4 premiership quality players from last years squad. Only Fuller, Lawrence and Shawcross in most people's eyes. So that means about 7-8 players for the team and a couple or more for the 7 man bench. And don't forget that you need to add to this the fact that there were probably a considerable number of players who had no interest whatsoever in signing for Stoke, with the expectation that we would do a Derby all over the media etc. So what did you expect with so many required for £20m, at this level of Football?? A team of forking World Beaters? £5m of that went on Kitson, which looks bad business up to now, but how many of you, hand on heart, can honestly say you were less than delighted when he signed?
So some have worked, some haven't, but that's how it goes. The aim, I would imagine, was to keep us in touching distance of the rest until we could get some better in and you Know what, looking at the table, that certainly didn't fail did it? And maybe it's that, that has helped the better players to arrive.
And finally..............they do have a re-sale value too, you know. Especially whilst there are guys like Mr McLeish at Brum looking for players.
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Post by Targaryen Stokie on Feb 3, 2009 13:15:55 GMT
Jesus Christ, you two are the most miserable twats I've ever come across. You moan when he gets it wrong and fair enough on the whole he did in the Summer, bar Abdy Faye and Sorenson. But when he gets it right as in Beattie and Ethers you still moan.
???
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 3, 2009 13:21:00 GMT
He (Pulis) has reportedly signed Kelly from Brum who has only played 8 matches this season due to a torn thigh muscle yet has let (the former U21 England international) Andrew Davies go out on loan to Norwich so he can get fit ??? ??? This is a fair point IMHO. I would love to hear a rimmers spin on it rather than a tirade of Pulis can't do no wrong drivel. You can only assume that he doesn't rate Davies and prefers a non-playing Championship defender. Another £2million wasted then.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 3, 2009 13:23:13 GMT
Spidey's happy ;D
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Post by garyhackett on Feb 3, 2009 14:10:25 GMT
I think this season has been a learning curve for Pulis and Coates and a lot of lessons have been learned hence why we didnt go out wasting more money on good championship players in this window.
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 3, 2009 14:12:44 GMT
What Bogus said!
I realise that the polarised nature of pro and anti-TP feeling on this board tends to get in the way of a sensible debate on his performance, but look at Pulis's signings since last summer:
Tommy S. Superb.
Abdoulaye. I can't think of a better buy ANY manager has made this season.
Amdy. Slow start, but has looked much better in the last two months.
Higgy. Not a bargain, but we've not been ripped-off either.
Sonko. Not a good bit of business. Hopefully we could get back about half what we paid for him.
George. Poor signing. Not as bad a player as some make out, but definitely doesn't measure up to the £3m price tag. At £1m, I don't think there'd have been too many complaints. That goal against the Arse might be priceless come May though!
Davies. Jury's still out, although we were told when he came that he was "one for the future".
Soares. Another "one for the future". Has looked ok in patches, but we haven't really seen enough to be sure.
Tonge. Bit of an enigma for me. He's looked great as a sub, but shite when he's started. Shouldn't really have spent more than £1m on him, but that's the transfer window for you!
Kits. As has been said already, how many of us WOULDN'T have bought him? Let me put it this way: If Dull or Brazil had got him, there'd have been fury on here that we hadn't. It's not working out for some reason, and that's a whole different debate, but still not a bad signing.
Matty. Looks like money well spent.
BT. Ditto.
Camara. Too early to say, but looks like a player that could thrive under Pulis.
Kelly. Worth the risk for minimal outlay.
Given what we could make back on selling the "duds", by my reckoning Pulis has pissed up the wall about £5 - 7m of the £25m or so spent. Not too bad for someone finding their feet at this level; even the established PL bosses get some wrong. At the end of the day, if Uncle Peter thinks that Pulis is doing a decent job with his money, then that's good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 14:21:06 GMT
He (Pulis) has reportedly signed Kelly from Brum who has only played 8 matches this season due to a torn thigh muscle yet has let (the former U21 England international) Andrew Davies go out on loan to Norwich so he can get fit ??? ??? This is a fair point IMHO. I would love to hear a rimmers spin on it rather than a tirade of Pulis can't do no wrong drivel. You can only assume that he doesn't rate Davies and prefers a non-playing Championship defender. Another £2million wasted then. Here's my spin on it. In August, we struggled to attract players because of concerns that we would "do a Derby". So, needing to fill the squad, we panicked and bought some right shit, and spent over the odds on a reasonably big name striker regardless of whether or not he'd fit into our style of play. Now we've proved we can compete we're seeing a better quality of player arrive at the club. I think "non-playing Championship defender" is a bit negative. Last season he was an ever-present Premier League defender. That said, his lack of fitness is a mild concern. He sounds an improvement on what we've got though.
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Post by stokecityscott on Feb 3, 2009 14:24:38 GMT
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Feb 3, 2009 14:26:55 GMT
Fuck off BBM!
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 3, 2009 14:38:51 GMT
This is a fair point IMHO. I would love to hear a rimmers spin on it rather than a tirade of Pulis can't do no wrong drivel. You can only assume that he doesn't rate Davies and prefers a non-playing Championship defender. Another £2million wasted then. Here's my spin on it. In August, we struggled to attract players because of concerns that we would "do a Derby". So, needing to fill the squad, we panicked and bought some right shit, and spent over the odds on a reasonably big name striker regardless of whether or not he'd fit into our style of play. Now we've proved we can compete we're seeing a better quality of player arrive at the club. I think "non-playing Championship defender" is a bit negative. Last season he was an ever-present Premier League defender. That said, his lack of fitness is a mild concern. He sounds an improvement on what we've got though. It's amazing isn't it. Only a couple of years ago we hadn't got a pot to piss in and spending decent money on players was a pipe dream. Now we are wasting £15million on players and people are totally blasé about it** and put it down to 'a learning curve' or 'panic buying'. Bad management is what some would call it. **Welcome to the Sky Premier League- great if your in it, screwed if you're not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 14:47:50 GMT
Here's my spin on it. In August, we struggled to attract players because of concerns that we would "do a Derby". So, needing to fill the squad, we panicked and bought some right shit, and spent over the odds on a reasonably big name striker regardless of whether or not he'd fit into our style of play. Now we've proved we can compete we're seeing a better quality of player arrive at the club. I think "non-playing Championship defender" is a bit negative. Last season he was an ever-present Premier League defender. That said, his lack of fitness is a mild concern. He sounds an improvement on what we've got though. It's amazing isn't it. Only a couple of years ago we hadn't got a pot to piss in and spending decent money on players was a pipe dream. Now we are wasting £15million on players and people are totally blasé about it** and put it down to 'a learning curve' or 'panic buying'. Bad management is what some would call it. **Welcome to the Sky Premier League- great if your in it, screwed if you're not. That's just it unfortunately. The sad, slightly obscene fact is that if we stay up, we can effectively write off the money pissed away on Davies, Tonge, Olo-fin-fucking-jana. The Sky gravy train and systems like the transfer window actively encourage panic buying.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 3, 2009 14:50:13 GMT
It's amazing isn't it. Only a couple of years ago we hadn't got a pot to piss in and spending decent money on players was a pipe dream. Now we are wasting £15million on players and people are totally blasé about it** and put it down to 'a learning curve' or 'panic buying'. Bad management is what some would call it. **Welcome to the Sky Premier League- great if your in it, screwed if you're not. That's just it unfortunately. The sad, slightly obscene fact is that if we stay up, we can effectively write off the money pissed away on Davies, Tonge, Olo-fin-fucking-jana. The Sky gravy train and systems like the transfer window actively encourage panic buying. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Transfer window changed next season. It's just a farce. This Arshavin thing is a joke. The bloke was in London the morning of the transfer deadline day but the deal was not done. Sorry, but he should be sent home and Arsenal told to do one.
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 3, 2009 14:54:34 GMT
It's amazing isn't it. Only a couple of years ago we hadn't got a pot to piss in and spending decent money on players was a pipe dream. Now we are wasting £15million on players and people are totally blasé about it** and put it down to 'a learning curve' or 'panic buying'. Bad management is what some would call it. I'm not sure where you get £15m from Pugsley, unless you're assuming (Incorrectly, IMHO) that we wouldn't get anything back from selling on the ones that didn't work for us. I think the money wasted amounts to a third of that figure. Not that we should be blasé about wasting £5m of course, but that's where we are now - The stakes are ludicrously high. Out of interest, do you think that Moanbury, Tango, or even the more respected PL managers have all done so much better than Pulis in the market?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 3, 2009 15:00:09 GMT
It's amazing isn't it. Only a couple of years ago we hadn't got a pot to piss in and spending decent money on players was a pipe dream. Now we are wasting £15million on players and people are totally blasé about it** and put it down to 'a learning curve' or 'panic buying'. Bad management is what some would call it. I'm not sure where you get £15m from Pugsley, unless you're assuming (Incorrectly, IMHO) that we wouldn't get anything back from selling on the ones that didn't work for us. I think the money wasted amounts to a third of that figure. Not that we should be blasé about wasting £5m of course, but that's where we are now - The stakes are ludicrously high. Out of interest, do you think that Moanbury, Tango, or even the more respected PL managers have all done so much better than Pulis in the market? I aren't bothered what other managers are doing but obviously time will tell at the end of the season. There won't be many points between the three teams IMO. I'm not sure we are buying with reselling in mind. We should be buying to stay in the league. you are quite right about the re-sale value though but we are going to make a big loss on failed players. Kitson could be an example of that. The three signings have all been good ones this window - and done correctly as well with 2 purchases for playes who will make a difference and a loan to supplement the side, although he could start. Beattie and Camara starting would be a good option for me.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Feb 3, 2009 15:02:25 GMT
The big question is, why Camara could not get a place in the Wigan team?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 15:05:34 GMT
The big question is, why Camara could not get a place in the Wigan team? Erm, because he had Heskey and Zaki in front of him and they signed the highly rated Rodallega? Because they're better than us?
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 3, 2009 15:07:25 GMT
Depending on who you believe about how much we actually spent "up-front" on Kitson, I think we stand to lose about £2m if he goes in the summer. I don't think it's a case of "buying with reselling in mind", but resale value does mitigate the loss.
For what it's worth, if it was my money, I'd give it to TP before either of Tango or Moanbury.
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Post by Do eet fer Paddock on Feb 3, 2009 15:11:33 GMT
If we were 10 points adrift then a bit of moaning would be understandable. But it's February and we're not in a relegation place. Never mind questionning the manager's recruitment policy, I think Spiderman and Lord prick need to perhaps see reality and offer the manager a pat on the back for a job so far well done.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Feb 3, 2009 15:11:37 GMT
Hesky and Zaki are strikers. I have been reading on here that alot of you see Camara to be a winger. Why was he not a winger for Wigan?
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 3, 2009 15:12:45 GMT
The big question is, why Camara could not get a place in the Wigan team? Eff, if that's the biggest question you can think of, then you've confirmed my suspicions! What about Carson getting into Villa's team ahead of Sorro for all of last season? We could play that game all week!
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 3, 2009 15:16:39 GMT
The big question is, why Camara could not get a place in the Wigan team? Eff, if that's the biggest question you can think of, then you've confirmed my suspicions! What about Carson getting into Villa's team ahead of Sorro for all of last season? We could play that game all week! I'm not sure Sorro is the best bloke to use in this argument dexter. Carson was Pulis's number one choice don't forget. Sorro was his back up. Dodged a bullet, but lucky to do so.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Feb 3, 2009 15:17:00 GMT
Hesky and Zaki are strikers. I have been reading on here that alot of you see Camara to be a winger. Why was he not a winger for Wigan? People dont see him as a winger they know he is being played on the wing for senegal.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 3, 2009 15:18:25 GMT
Hesky and Zaki are strikers. I have been reading on here that alot of you see Camara to be a winger. Why was he not a winger for Wigan? People dont see him as a winger they know he is being played on the wing for senegal. He's a centre forward, but his pace gives you the option to play him out wide. I can't see the problem with Pulis signing him to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 15:20:11 GMT
Hesky and Zaki are strikers. I have been reading on here that alot of you see Camara to be a winger. Why was he not a winger for Wigan? Well Camara is primarily a striker for a start. Wigan have Valencia, N'Zogbia, Koumas, Kapo and De Ridder all of whom can play out wide. Camara's been signed as a striker though.
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Post by phil51 on Feb 3, 2009 15:25:47 GMT
Dexter - I think your assessment of the signings is pretty spot on. It looks like some people would have preferred us to start the season with a squad of 16 players. If people want to talk about wasting money, ask Spurs/Liverpool about Robbie Keane.
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 3, 2009 15:29:15 GMT
I'm not sure Sorro is the best bloke to use in this argument dexter. Carson was Pulis's number one choice don't forget. Sorro was his back up. I didn't think Sorensen was in the reckoning at the time that the Carson deal fell through. I thought that he became available when we were talking to Fulop, which was why we pulled the plug on that deal. Either way, my point was simply that you can't always judge the quality of a player on the basis that someone else gets picked ahead of him. Our history is littered with examples of that.
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