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Post by rabbigan on Feb 1, 2009 15:27:16 GMT
a worse , less efective player than Cresswell.
A year ago he was equal top goal scorer, most assists in the Championship, Championship MVP etc, etc.
Now he cannot even get a game from the bench.
First half before Rory sent off ,and Amdy gets injured. Immediately Creswell told to warm up. So he is considered our best midfield alternative as well as striker.
Fuller is subbed and who but Cresser gets the job.
The second half in my view was made for Liam to return.
45 minutes with the ability to make something for Beattie and an excellent record of covering his fullback, but sadly for wahtever reason no chance. Pulis said after the game that we awere only going with one up in second half so why Cresser. Etherington was superb Saturday and I would love to see him and Liam supporting Beattie.
With a striker of his quality one up front is really feasible particularly if supported by two good wide men. Like Mourinho played at Chelsea.
Does Rory ban mean Liam will get a chance or will Cresser get another meaningless 3 games, adding nothing to the positive side of our team. Cant pass, tackle,run or score.
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Post by fromafar07 on Feb 1, 2009 15:30:08 GMT
a very good question. When Richard Cresswell is brought on before anyone else, something stinks !! Another typical Cresswell game yesterday, runs up and down the pitch all game, but does absolutely nothing. If I were Liam, id be asking out !!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 1, 2009 15:32:50 GMT
to be fair cresswell did a good job yesterday , he will give you non stop energy andthat was needed 2nd half. I really dont understand why he doesnt want Lawrence back though unless its a fitness issue, remember he missed all of pre-season too, but if thats the case why not loan him out for a month to get him a few games
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 1, 2009 15:33:44 GMT
a very good question. When Richard Cresswell is brought on before anyone else, something stinks !! Another typical Cresswell game yesterday, runs up and down the pitch all game, but does absolutely nothing. If I were Liam, id be asking out !! To be fair yesterday(i think it was Lawro who was coming on for Amdy) but the Cresswell intervention was a masterstroke by Tone, his work rate is second to none and yesterday thats exactly what was needed in that situation. Not that i'm saying that Cresswell is good enough i just don't think he is as the same for Wilkinson. |
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Post by mayf on Feb 1, 2009 15:34:43 GMT
You're mistaken actually,when Amdy was injured it was Lawrence getting ready to come on
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Post by BiddulphStokie on Feb 1, 2009 15:35:45 GMT
to be fair i think he wanted to keep it tight and as we all know he is shit but will give 200% cress was the only choice
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Post by stokecityscott on Feb 1, 2009 15:36:20 GMT
Cresswell is fit, and will do all the donkey work mama does, chasing down balls and going up and down the pitch. Liam was set too come on for Faye, then he was ok and Liam sat back down, just he aint fit enough too do what Cresswell does.
GIVE IT A REST
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Post by ukstoke1 on Feb 1, 2009 15:36:51 GMT
a very good question. When Richard Cresswell is brought on before anyone else, something stinks !! Another typical Cresswell game yesterday, runs up and down the pitch all game, but does absolutely nothing. If I were Liam, id be asking out !! Please tell me that you are having a laugh?? That is exactly what Cresswell was brought on for! Pulis wanted him to run up and down and be the 1st line of defence! A masterstoke in my humble opinion! |
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Post by Carrot on Feb 1, 2009 15:39:02 GMT
Tbh, although I consider myself to be one of Cresswell's biggest critics, I think that in that situation, with 10 men on the pitch against top quality opposition that we have to continually close down, I think Pulis made the correct decision.
Although cresswell's pretty useless when he's got the ball and just pretty damn useless in general, you know he'll keep on running and pressurising the opposition and he seems to be in better shape at the moment than Lawrence anyway so for that reason, he was the best option as we just needed to stick it out and survive the barrage rather than stick Lawrence on and go for another.
However, I think that if we weren't down to 10 men then I think Lawrence would've come on but against Sunderland, I'm hoping that he starts instead of Cresswell as this is a game we need to win!!
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Post by fromafar07 on Feb 1, 2009 15:45:06 GMT
Lawrence is not good enough to do what Cresswell does ?????
what a damning statement toward Lawrence, not good enough to come on in place of a player that all he does is, well, nothing !!!
he couldnt score if his life depended on it, cant make it past a defender without being immediately disposessed, has the dirtiest strip of anybody because he falls down constantly complaining he was tripped, while everyone else plays on ! adds no attacking influence. HOWEVER, he does give entertainment to the opposing defenses as they defend with 3 men and send everyone else forward because they know its just Richard Cresswell that they have to "worry" about !
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Post by Gifton on Feb 1, 2009 15:46:29 GMT
must admit i get frustrated at cresswell being chosen up front ahead of kitson and used on the left when we have lawrence, tongue etc on the bench but yesterday was a shining example of the fact the pulis clearly knows more about football than any of us.
cresswell works so so hard and he could drop back onto the wing when they were in possession and join beattie up front when we attacked. masterstroke by pulis. cresswell's ability to occupy either role to a fairly decent standard and willingness to run and work made it seem at times yesterday that we weren't a man down.
that, coupled with everyone else's hard work and etheringtons ability to hold on to the ball and relieve a little pressure on the defence, city felt no advantage with the extra man.
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Post by luke2u on Feb 1, 2009 15:48:28 GMT
I think Lawrence would have been good enough, and he could have done one thing Cresswell can't, he can hold the ball and make a good pass.
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Post by serpico on Feb 1, 2009 15:48:51 GMT
with 10 men we needed grafters, Lawrence, although himself a grafter, probably still isn't fully match fit, I reckon he will be getting a game or two now delaps out for 3 games.
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Post by ukstoke1 on Feb 1, 2009 15:52:25 GMT
fromafar, your footballing knowledge yet again defeats me! I humbly retreat.
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 1, 2009 15:54:29 GMT
a very good question. When Richard Cresswell is brought on before anyone else, something stinks !! Another typical Cresswell game yesterday, runs up and down the pitch all game, but does absolutely nothing. If I were Liam, id be asking out !! And another typical fromafar post today! You really are unbelievable. TP got it spot-on yesterday, which is why he's the boss, and you're just a sad, embittered Billy No-Mates. I wouldn't mind betting that if Liam had been given the nod ahead of Cressy, and Citeh had scored as a result, you'd be on here lambasting Pulis's inability to do what was necessary to hold on to the lead. Take the rest of the week off. You never know, we might lose to the Mackems, then you can return with renewed purpose!  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2009 15:54:54 GMT
with 10 men we needed grafters, Lawrence, although himself a grafter, probably still isn't fully match fit, I reckon he will be getting a game or two now delaps out for 3 games. I'd like to think it was the lack of match fitness issue that was the decisive factor, Serps. And Pulis knows the players' fitness levels better than any of us. But all we needed was 45 minutes, and he has been back in training for a month. But Cresswell worked his balls off as usual and played his part, even though once again, I was underwhelmed with what he actually did in terms of protecting his full-back and offering something on the break. But what he did do is put in the effort to close down, pretty much non-stop. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 1, 2009 15:57:33 GMT
Rabbigan
Wrong in so many respects I can't be arsed to list them.
One point I do agree with is that Cresswell is clearly no where near as good a footballer as Lawrence and TP's insane preoccupation with the man does my nut in but yesterday I think he got it right.
Tel me honestly that closing down, defending and at the minute fitness are Liam's strong points and I'll kiss your arse and agree he should have been brought on yesterday.
Horses for courses and yesterday unfortunately in the circumstances it was a Cresswell course.
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Post by stokecityscott on Feb 1, 2009 16:00:21 GMT
a very good question. When Richard Cresswell is brought on before anyone else, something stinks !! Another typical Cresswell game yesterday, runs up and down the pitch all game, but does absolutely nothing. If I were Liam, id be asking out !! And another typical fromafar post today! You really are unbelievable. TP got it spot-on yesterday, which is why he's the boss, and you're just a sad, embittered Billy No-Mates. I wouldn't mind betting that if Liam had been given the nod ahead of Cressy, and Citeh had scored as a result, you'd be on here lambasting Pulis's inability to do what was necessary to hold on to the lead. Take the rest of the week off. You never know, we might lose to the Mackems, then you can return with renewed purpose! Spot on he is the message board knob head, nobody has ever agreed with him, he dont go games and my bet is hes a sad lonely old man. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Feb 1, 2009 16:01:01 GMT
the weakest side of LL's game is his defensive positioning, in my opinion anyway. You can't say he's not a trier, but i find him a bit ineffective when tracking back. You could level the same criticisms at cresser too to be fair, but cresswell was definately the right choice yesterday.
It is interesting to see who will start the next 3 games though. could see cresswell starting against sunderland and liam at home
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2009 16:03:21 GMT
Obviously we won yesterday so everybody now thinks Cresswell is brilliant  However, yesterday also emphasised yet again that although he runs alot -he has no pace, and therefore cannot keep up with faster opposition players, he was left behind several times yesterday - he cannot keep possession for more than 3 seconds - he poses absolutely no goal threat - he gives away dangerous free-kicks because of his clumsiness All of these things he was guilty of yesterday, and to that effect we got away with it, more than it being a masterstroke. Man city were also very poor yesterday. To my eyes Lawrence would be more effective in all of the above departments. Yesterday, he also switched Cresswell from the right side because he was to keep up with the player he was supposed to be tracking, and for the first ten minutes of the second half they were killing us on that left until Cresswell was moved from there!!!!!! Etherington was switched to there and he did a much better job there is something totally weird about this situation because the extent to which Pulis goes to accomodate a player who is clearly out of his depth his remarkable. |
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 1, 2009 16:05:11 GMT
For arguments sake! If LL had come on and RC kept on the bench and we had lost that game yesterday......many on this board would have slaggin TP for bringing on a player to hold a lead who wasn't match fit. Work it out its not rocket science.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2009 16:07:09 GMT
For arguments sake! If LL had come on and RC kept on the bench and we had lost that game yesterday......many on this board would have slaggin TP for bringing on a player to hold a lead who wasn't match fit. Work it out its not rocket science. I take your point, sir |
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Post by parttimepotter on Feb 1, 2009 16:08:59 GMT
Its the price you pay for falling out with TP!!!!
Wonder if he sent him the bill for a new office door!!!????
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 1, 2009 16:09:29 GMT
Cheers Spit.............where is Sally James when you need her |
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 1, 2009 16:09:55 GMT
Obviously we won yesterday so everybody now thinks Cresswell is brilliant ...there is something totally weird about this situation because the extent to which Pulis goes to accomodate a player who is clearly out of his depth his remarkable. Nobody thinks Cressy is brilliant, and yes, often his selection has been baffling. Yesterday however, he was the better option for the situation we found ourselves in. Simple as that really. Differences of opinion aside though, it's just exasperating that anyone would choose to have a go at anyone involved in yesterday's performance, with the notable exception of Delap. |
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 1, 2009 16:14:57 GMT
must admit i get frustrated at cresswell being chosen up front ahead of kitson and used on the left when we have lawrence, tongue etc on the bench but yesterday was a shining example of the fact the pulis clearly knows more about football than any of us. Don't think so a blind man on a galloping horse knew that Cresswell would put in a shift and being down to 10 men he did not fail us in his work rate. Still not good enough though. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Feb 1, 2009 16:17:16 GMT
Agree that yesterday TP prob made the best decision in picking Cressy ahead of Liam. The acid test comes on Sat against Sunderland where Liam should clearly be picked ahead of Cressy. I doubt this will happen though, with our managers blinkered way of playing away. This is where my frustration lies with TP, he can perform near miracles at home, but refuses to acknowledge his mistake in our style of play away.
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Post by Paddypotter on Feb 1, 2009 16:30:19 GMT
So it was pure brilliance that Cresswell was brought because he can run around and defend, and I thought he was a striker, no hang on he's a leftwinger, no hang on he's now a defender, if Cresswell was brought on for his defensive qualities why not bring on a, wait for it, a defender?
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Post by db on Feb 1, 2009 17:02:57 GMT
Do people actually see what Cresswell does?
If they did, they would realise.
Sweet FA!
How can it be a materstroke to bring, arguably, your best player off and bring the worst one available to you, on!
His contribution was no worse or no better than any of his previous displays. He contributed nothing of note. (watch a recording of the 2nd half and see). We held out yesterday, despite Cresswell, not because of Cresswell!
People talk about him "putting a shift in". What a load of tripe! We should be getting more than just graft now we are in the Premiership.
They say Tone picks him for his "defensive qualities". Yesterday he never got close enough to any of their players to make a tackle! Ditto against Chelsea, Ditto against Manure (both games). Do I need to go on?
"He closes the opposition attackers down". See above.
"To be fair, Cresswell did a good job yesterday". What job, exactly, did he do well? Specifics please. Not just "worked his nuts off" etc
"Nobody is saying Cressy is brilliant but.....". Just end the sentence after brilliant and stop trying to justify why Tone keeps picking him!
"Cresswell is fit". Should that be a reason for him playing in the Premier League?
"Cressey can play on the wing (no he can't!) or he can join Beattie up front (no he can't!). Has he put a cross over, from the wing, to one of our players, all season? Has he had one shot of any note on target in the Prem all season?
For me it's one of life's mysteries why so many people come on here and try to justify why he gets so many games in front of others who are so far ahead of him in terms of footballing ability. The fact is he is not good enough, he should not be anywhere near the squad and should have been sold/given away in the close season. End of story!
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 1, 2009 17:37:40 GMT
Lawrence is not good enough to do what Cresswell does ????? what a damning statement toward Lawrence, not good enough to come on in place of a player that all he does is, well, nothing !!! he couldnt score if his life depended on it, cant make it past a defender without being immediately disposessed, has the dirtiest strip of anybody because he falls down constantly complaining he was tripped, while everyone else plays on ! adds no attacking influence. HOWEVER, he does give entertainment to the opposing defenses as they defend with 3 men and send everyone else forward because they know its just Richard Cresswell that they have to "worry" about ! As usual your blindness towards Cresswell continues. You slag him off and say offensively he offers little. Well when we have 10 men and we are 'ALREADY WINNING' that isn't what we needed. He is a much better defensive option than Lenny and that's what we did DEFEND. Maybe you'd like us to swap Little Faye with Demar Phillips as he'd give us more going forwards aswell |
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