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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 28, 2009 22:51:14 GMT
We are six points off mid table for fucks sake. We have had a bad run of results, but during that run we have come very close to beating Liverpool and Chelsea, been unlucky not to take a point off the world champions and signed two players that just 12 months ago would have been so far out of our league that even the mention of us being interested in them would have been ridiculed. We were poor last night, and yes, Pulis team selection and tactics away from home is enough to make anyone pull their hair out, but we are nowhere near relegated. We have one of the best home records outside of the top four and still, even taking into account the piss poor run of results we are having, we have as good a chance as anyone in the bottom half of the table of surviving this season. Pulis has put us among the big boys, he has made us competitive in our first season in the Premiership, he has made the Brit a place that even the very best do not look forward to visiting, and regardless of your personal opinions of him, he deserves the fucking chance to see it through.
You are entitled to have your say, or to criticise, but for fucks sake get a grip and take a look at what the man has done for this club and give him the respect he deserves. Judge the man at the end of the season, not just after a poor performance against a team who we could never even have imagined competing with this time a year ago.
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Post by abharsair on Jan 28, 2009 22:55:09 GMT
We are six points off mid table for fucks sake. We have had a bad run of results, but during that run we have come very close to beating Liverpool and Chelsea, been unlucky not to take a point off the world champions and signed two players that just 12 months ago would have been so far out of our league that even the mention of us being interested in them would have been ridiculed. We were poor last night, and yes, Pulis team selection and tactics away from home is enough to make anyone pull their hair out, but we are nowhere near relegated. We have one of the best home records outside of the top four and still, even taking into account the piss poor run of results we are having, we have as good a chance as anyone in the bottom half of the table of surviving this season. Pulis has put us among the big boys, he has made us competitive in our first season in the Premiership, he has made the Brit a place that even the very best do not look forward to visiting, and regardless of your personal opinions of him, he deserves the fucking chance to see it through. You are entitled to have your say, or to criticise, but for fucks sake get a grip and take a look at what the man has done for this club and give him the respect he deserves. Judge the man at the end of the season, not just after a poor performance against a team who we could never even have imagined competing with this time a year ago. We may be six points off mid table, WE ARE NOT midtable though are we? We are in the bottom 3, we haven't won in eleven games. We don't have the 6 points needed to be mid table, we did NOT beat Chelsea or Liverpool, you don't win anything for nearly's in this game or in life, we lost and we have made a habit of losing. And we have not won a single away game
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 28, 2009 23:02:24 GMT
We have twenty one fucking points after half a season in the best league in the world. Like I said, judge him at the end of the season. You are right, you don't win anything for nearly's in this game but I bet you'll be as happy as a pig in shit if we "nearly" get relegated.
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Post by abharsair on Jan 28, 2009 23:12:32 GMT
We have twenty one fucking points after half a season in the best league in the world. Like I said, judge him at the end of the season. You are right, you don't win anything for nearly's in this game but I bet you'll be as happy as a pig in shit if we "nearly" get relegated. Yes we have 21 points, with a grand total of 3 from the past two months, the problem with 21 points is WBA who looked like they were long gone are on the same amount of points as us, Blackburn who looked dead and buried are now above us with a game in hand, we are relying on other teams being shitter than us and that isn't good enough. You've not really given your opinion on the fact we've not won a single game away this season. You've also skated over his latest interview where he writes-off Saturdays game AT HOME no less, what does that say to the fans and the players? Look at our fixtures and give you honest opinion on how many points you think we will get and what will keep us up, I reckon optimistically we'll get 10, will 31 points keep us up? If so will Pulis change his style of play, tactics etc next season, will Coates say you've done great with the £30 mill you've spent have the same again and will we have a 5.5 million striker playing as an attacking midfielder, two 2 million midfielder's not getting a look in and when they do never playing in their natural position. Centre halves playing as full backs and all other manner of square pegs in round holes? What happens if we get relegated? Does Pulis stay? Will any of the decent players in our team stay. When do you say enough is enough when its too late or when you realise things aren't getting any better and you still have chance to make a difference?
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Post by abharsair on Jan 28, 2009 23:21:30 GMT
We have twenty one fucking points after half a season in the best league in the world. Like I said, judge him at the end of the season. You are right, you don't win anything for nearly's in this game but I bet you'll be as happy as a pig in shit if we "nearly" get relegated. And where the fuck has this best league in the world bollocks come from? Why because we keep getting told it is by our media?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 28, 2009 23:37:08 GMT
First of all, if you have ever looked at the table this season and thought that Blackburn and West Brom were at any stage dead and buried I would have to question your knowledge of the game.
Secondly, I am not trying to defend Pulis' tactics and team selections. I absolutely agree that Cresswell is not nearly good enough, and to see him leave Fuller on the bench last night was baffling. I also agree with you that his tendancy to "talk up" the opposition in pre-match interviews is frustrating to the point where sometimes you want to smack him in the mouth, but he's never been any different on that front. He has always played down our chances and talked up the opposition, whether it is Man City this week or Bristol City last year. It's the way he is, get over it.
As for our away form, again I am as frustrated as you are with some of our performances but I also understand that we would be on the end of some serious hammerings if we went away to most Premier League grounds with a gung ho game plan. We have yet to win a game away, but we have only once been on the end of a real hammering. Sure, you will say why not risk a hammering if we are losing games anyway? Well, maybe you think that being on the end of a sound thrashing every other week would be great for team morale, not to mention the fans? Pulis and the team are taking enough shit when we only lose by the odd goals so Christ knows what your reaction would be if we were getting battered every time we went away from home? I still think we can turn our away form around, hopefully starting at Sunderland, and I am sure once we pick up a win away from home, it will be a monkey off our back and a great boost to confidence.
As for how many points we can get between now and the end of the season? I think another twenty is a more than realistic target.
If we get relegated, we need to look at the big picture and make a decision. I for one wouldn't be devastated to see Pulis go, but if he did I would want to know there was a damn good replacement coming in and there are not too many better who I could imagine coming to Stoke if we were back in the Championship. If we stay up, I think we again would need to asses the situation, and if someone was available who we believe could take the club forward, then by all means lets go for it.
But my main point is that regardless of how you feel about Pulis, he deserves our support and respect for the whole season, and he should be judged by his performance over the entire season, not just the last eleven games.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 28, 2009 23:38:47 GMT
We have twenty one fucking points after half a season in the best league in the world. Like I said, judge him at the end of the season. You are right, you don't win anything for nearly's in this game but I bet you'll be as happy as a pig in shit if we "nearly" get relegated. And where the fuck has this best league in the world bollocks come from? Why because we keep getting told it is by our media? Do you know of a better one? If you have watched many La Liga or Serie A games recently, it sure as shit is not either of them.
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Post by abharsair on Jan 28, 2009 23:50:54 GMT
First of all, if you have ever looked at the table this season and thought that Blackburn and West Brom were at any stage dead and buried I would have to question your knowledge of the game. Secondly, I am not trying to defend Pulis' tactics and team selections. I absolutely agree that Cresswell is not nearly good enough, and to see him leave Fuller on the bench last night was baffling. I also agree with you that his tendancy to "talk up" the opposition in pre-match interviews is frustrating to the point where sometimes you want to smack him in the mouth, but he's never been any different on that front. He has always played down our chances and talked up the opposition, whether it is Man City this week or Bristol City last year. It's the way he is, get over it. As for our away form, again I am as frustrated as you are with some of our performances but I also understand that we would be on the end of some serious hammerings if we went away to most Premier League grounds with a gung ho game plan. We have yet to win a game away, but we have only once been on the end of a real hammering. Sure, you will say why not risk a hammering if we are losing games anyway? Well, maybe you think that being on the end of a sound thrashing every other week would be great for team morale, not to mention the fans? Pulis and the team are taking enough shit when we only lose by the odd goals so Christ knows what your reaction would be if we were getting battered every time we went away from home? I still think we can turn our away form around, hopefully starting at Sunderland, and I am sure once we pick up a win away from home, it will be a monkey off our back and a great boost to confidence. As for how many points we can get between now and the end of the season? I think another twenty is a more than realistic target. If we get relegated, we need to look at the big picture and make a decision. I for one wouldn't be devastated to see Pulis go, but if he did I would want to know there was a damn good replacement coming in and there are not too many better who I could imagine coming to Stoke if we were back in the Championship. If we stay up, I think we again would need to asses the situation, and if someone was available who we believe could take the club forward, then by all means lets go for it. But my main point is that regardless of how you feel about Pulis, he deserves our support and respect for the whole season, and he should be judged by his performance over the entire season, not just the last eleven games. The team have been backed 100% at every game this season home or away, no one can say otherwise. If we get twenty points I'll be chuffed to bits, I really cant see it happening however... What would be the point of keeping Pulis if we did get relegated, if he managed to get us back up again what makes you think he would change his approach, he hasn't in all the time he's being here, and if we get relegated his approach won't suddenly work next time, and Delap's getting on a bit now..... As for the best league in the world, there was an excellent article on the Budesleague in the Oatcake a few matches back, talking of which I went to see a FC Koln game and the atmosphere and the price was superb. English football is currently fast out pricing its historic fan base, it's becoming a play thing for the rich, and the cheating that goes on is disgusting, the standard of the officials and the FA in general is a joke. And the point of this whole thread and topic is not about not supporting the team, its about being allowed to express opinions on the team and its management, and being realistic and seeing that we are sinking like a stone and the future looks bleak...
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 28, 2009 23:56:00 GMT
You are welcome to your opinion mate, I just find all the "Pulis must go" bullshit a bit hard to swallow at this stage of the season.
As for the Premier League, I agree with you in terms of pricing, cheating and generally shitting all over the genuine football fan, but in terms of football I have yet to see another league that comes close.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 29, 2009 0:02:29 GMT
hoorah
applause
well said mate (can I call you mate?)
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Post by kentishstokie on Jan 29, 2009 0:06:41 GMT
Like the original poster, I hardly ever post, but have been supporting Stoke for many years (38 in my case - and living in London all that time). I thought Pullis's return was a backwards move but, quite frankly, I was wrong. Apart from getting us promoted, we are still well in touch and have strength at home. We've lost points we should have won (eg Boro, Chelski) which would have put us mid table by now and we've not had the regular thrashing that some thought would happen. OK, we were poor last night, but Spurs are a different side to the one we beat (yes, beat the top 4 wannabes) at the Brit earlier in the season. It's a fine line in this league and we're not quite there and need a bit more resillience. Like it or not, TP is on a learning curve, but he is not stupid and if he learnt anything from Redknap it'll be about motivation and the team spirit that you need to battle. It was only a couple of weeks ago that the Fuller/Griffin slap was meant to be a sign of changing room discontent - that has not run as an issue (they even ate together in Dubai!). That has to say something about the management.
Beattie and Matty are class signings and we have some of our better players coming back from injury following our most difificult month of fixtures. Confidence is now crucuail - even if you don't really believe, just pretend for a bit eh? After all, clubs like Derby show how changing mangers is rarely the answer.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 29, 2009 0:09:29 GMT
Out of the FA cup in round three....it's not so long ago that we would have been fucking overjoyed to be IN round three.
Out of the League Cup QUARTER FINALS to a dodgy last minute penalty. Yes, QUARTER FINALS. When was the last time we even had a sniff of the quarter finals of ANY major cup?
Second bottom, yes, but by no means dead and buried. Far from it.
And you have the nerve to ask what planet people live on for daring to support the manager.
Some people have very short memories.
Love the "****" bit though, haven't heard that word for yonks! ;D
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Post by prem4stoke on Jan 29, 2009 0:12:20 GMT
As you can probably see by my score, I dont usually post on here. I am a regular vistor to this site but only as an observer. I thought I may have a go knowing full well that some of the pricks who post on here will definately have a pop. It seems to me that no-one is entitled to an opinion about Pulis if its having a go at him in anyway shape or form. Any one who does is told to go and procreate or is called some strange name like W*****r or something. Obviously comes from people with little education and limited vocabulary. Any way, I have supported Stoke for some 42 years now and think I am entitled to my opinion. Did this man have Burnley v Spurs watched while he was on the beach? Burnley attacked from minute 1 and Spurs could not cope. What does our Tone do, well, same as he does every other game, negative, tactics. No Lawrence, No Tongue, No strike partner with Beattie....etc etc.... This Manager with his inept team selection and useless tactics will definately take us down if he doesn't have a radical re-think and quick. He states on the BBC web site "We have a tough game against Manchester City on Saturday but then we have a run where we really need to start winning games." Is this a positive attitude for Saturday? I dont think so but hey I'm having another go!!! Please dont think that because he took us into the Premier League that he is now invincible, no-one is! Wake up and smell the roses, this bloke is well out of his depth. Ah well, here's waiting for your pitiful replies telling me to 'eff off' or go and support Burslum etc..etc.. so until then, Gernfiktheesen. X ANON Your another one who still thinks Sir Stanley Mathews plays for us then? Oh dear how times have changed. Press Ctrl and F4 to continue to post.
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Post by prem4stoke on Jan 29, 2009 0:15:34 GMT
Like the original poster, I hardly ever post, but have been supporting Stoke for many years (38 in my case - and living in London all that time). I thought Pullis's return was a backwards move but, quite frankly, I was wrong. Apart from getting us promoted, we are still well in touch and have strength at home. We've lost points we should have won (eg Boro, Chelski) which would have put us mid table by now and we've not had the regular thrashing that some thought would happen. OK, we were poor last night, but Spurs are a different side to the one we beat (yes, beat the top 4 wannabes) at the Brit earlier in the season. It's a fine line in this league and we're not quite there and need a bit more resillience. Like it or not, TP is on a learning curve, but he is not stupid and if he learnt anything from Redknap it'll be about motivation and the team spirit that you need to battle. It was only a couple of weeks ago that the Fuller/Griffin slap was meant to be a sign of changing room discontent - that has not run as an issue (they even ate together in Dubai!). That has to say something about the management. Beattie and Matty are class signings and we have some of our better players coming back from injury following our most difificult month of fixtures. Confidence is now crucuail - even if you don't really believe, just pretend for a bit eh? After all, clubs like Derby show how changing mangers is rarely the answer. At least you talk some sense
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Post by Block 26 on Jan 29, 2009 0:16:36 GMT
As you can probably see by my score, I dont usually post on here. I am a regular vistor to this site but only as an observer. I thought I may have a go knowing full well that some of the pricks who post on here will definately have a pop. It seems to me that no-one is entitled to an opinion about Pulis if its having a go at him in anyway shape or form. Any one who does is told to go and procreate or is called some strange name like W*****r or something. Obviously comes from people with little education and limited vocabulary. Any way, I have supported Stoke for some 42 years now and think I am entitled to my opinion. Did this man have Burnley v Spurs watched while he was on the beach? Burnley attacked from minute 1 and Spurs could not cope. What does our Tone do, well, same as he does every other game, negative, tactics. No Lawrence, No Tongue, No strike partner with Beattie....etc etc.... This Manager with his inept team selection and useless tactics will definately take us down if he doesn't have a radical re-think and quick. He states on the BBC web site "We have a tough game against Manchester City on Saturday but then we have a run where we really need to start winning games." Is this a positive attitude for Saturday? I dont think so but hey I'm having another go!!! Please dont think that because he took us into the Premier League that he is now invincible, no-one is! Wake up and smell the roses, this bloke is well out of his depth. Ah well, here's waiting for your pitiful replies telling me to 'eff off' or go and support Burslum etc..etc.. so until then, Gernfiktheesen. X ANON Just agree with first bit, it's true, people can't post what they want as they get called all names under the sun.
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Post by kentishstokie on Jan 29, 2009 0:37:26 GMT
Cheers prem4stoke - you are a real scholar (where is that by the way? Google maps just shows loads of fields and a grey bit).
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